 Poster: A snowHead
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@NoMapNoCompass, I guess when it comes to Carv, I play the game. I don't ski top to bottom runs, but split the run up in to sections. Also, if it's busy or chopped up, I wouldn't even bother turning it on, it's just not possible to ski as needed.
Generally speaking though, all of my skiing is done before lunch time, and then I'm done for the day.
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Not a criticism, I do too, especially if on my own.
If I am cruising a resort with friends covering lots of distance then I agree not much point to Carv as the score can be influenced by so many other external factors.
When skiing on my own though, I absolutely love Carv, It gives me a real point to my skiing and I find that I am skiing shorter runs but skiing them more intensely, focusing on being technically good as I can. We have a one year old son so my wife and I are tag teaming the child minding and often skiing on our own if not with another group. Rather than being the lonely existence that it sounds, Carv has given me a brand new focus. Looking forward to next trip now at the start of March.
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@NoMapNoCompass, agreed, I think where Carv particularly excels is providing a focus and aim to a skiing session. A lot of people will just aimlessly ski around, but if you want to take it seriously and try and improve, it's a great tool.
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@swskier, 154, nice one! Too busy skiing powder here to chase that, but sunny next week so maybe I'll sharpen my edges 
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It’s a bit daft that it averages out every turn (if that’s what it does?) vs taking the best 8 consecutive. That rewards 8 turn splits vs people that just ski normally
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Median makes sense with my turns in that run. An average I think would have given me about 152
My single turn at 167 is the best individual turn I've recorded so far.
Interestingly, I actually think I skied better than that run today, but didn't score as well
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I hope in time that they can enhance it further with some sort of chest strap (HRM style) to measure coupling/separation between upper and lower body. I think that is part of the equation that is definitely missing.
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| NoMapNoCompass wrote: |
| I hope in time that they can enhance it further with some sort of chest strap (HRM style) to measure coupling/separation between upper and lower body. I think that is part of the equation that is definitely missing. |
The video recording aspects of the app can help with these sorts of things but it requires someone else being there.
The Mrs was with me this morning so I did have her film a tiny section so I could get an idea how it looked.
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A friend of mine here in Serre Chevalier who is a private ski instructor, just got CARV, he skied a run top to bottom, 83 turns, and scored 155!!!
Clearly if he focused on smashing it for 10-12 turns, he'd be well into the 160's, watching his scores with interest
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That’s crazy! I’m only a new skier and tried carve today for the first time. I got 106 so can only imagine what kind of improvement I’d need to get 155!!!
Maybe give up work and become a full time ski instructor? 
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@munter, yup, that would do it!!!
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He's up to 162 now!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Annoyingly picked up a flu bug last weekend while I travelled to a 3rd world country (UK) and have been sofa/bed bound since Wednesday afternoon, and no chance of skiing this weekend. Hopefully i'll get a few mornings before work this week to make up for it.
I definitely like CARV, even more so with the new sensors, but, with an instructors hat on, I don't know how much it's helping the masses. When you look at the posts on the community facebook group, there's a whole bunch of people trying to learn to carve, asking for advice etc, that have such glaringly obvious aspects of their skiing missing that they're not helping themselves.
The usual responses then come back and give them hugely detailed, technical answers, when half the time, they should start off by just being balanced more on the outside ski or stop skiing in the backseat.
It's definitely a tool to be used alongside lessons and not as a replacement.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Sun 9-02-25 12:21; edited 2 times in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@swskier, agree I see some awful videos and can imagine people doing funky things to get a high edge angle that destroys the basics!
Definitely need an instructor to look at the overall picture I think.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| swskier wrote: |
| It's definitely a tool to be used alongside lessons and not as a replacement. |
100% agree, it is a tool for tracking and polishing technique. It isn't a tool for learning, especially from first principles.
Skiing is a full body sport, Carv is tracking the relative position (and inferred weight balance) of each boot and ski. It isn't taking into account upper body position/separation or even the lower limb movement through out a turn.
Like all good analysis tools, using it successfully is about knowing those limitations and focusing on its strengths. This is mostly about how the skis interact with the snow.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I was an original Carv 1 owner. Stopped using them after the 2nd or 3rd cable failure. Was offered the Carv 2 at £80 and took a chance.
I have skied with them for for weeks and apart from some issues with my power straps releasing renewing the recordings inaccurate they have performed faultlessly. Battery life is great now easily lasting a week between charges.
The data appears to be accurate and useful.
I have got my grim reaper status back again that I lost with the recalibration so I'm happy.
I haven't tried the coaching aspect with the new seniors but have a week solo skiing coming up so will give it a go then.
As others have said I'd like to see a rolling average or weighting for more turns as it's tempting to play the game and only ski 10 turns out so rather than top to bottom of the run.
Oh and a best ever turn and pair of turns would need nice.
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Just spent a great couple of days in Kaprun with my instructor daughter, new ski-mojo, Carv and new skis (I was secretly delighted when the tech refused to service my knackered old Kastles, so I went for some Head Supershape e-speed).
Was chuffed to hit Grim Ripper (151)
Carv was always telling me to work on my turn shape. But it wasn't until my daughter demo'd what that really meant that I was able to implement it. For some reason I had assumed that a well executed in-corridor s-turn would pass as good turn shape (I mean, they feel great don't they). But it wasn't until I submitted to full on c-shaped carving that my turn shape score almost immediately jumped from 60's to 80%+. (I guess the clue was in the product name all the time..).
Not sure I deserve a place on the thread leaderboard given the mojo augmentation. But if you want to know who the "anonymous" 151 guy is on the Carv app Snowheads group, that's me.
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I used CARV yesterday, but the snow was too soft, so didn't give enough purchase to press against, and as I didn't get up until 10am it was a bit chopped up already. Managed to get up to 153 though on the bottom pitch of a black run.
I went out on the SL skis on the basis they feel like cheating to ski, but I don't think they're the best option. A masters GS type ski is the one I think, a bit more stability at the higher speeds needed.
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@swskier, interesting re SL skis, I only have a pair of 12m radius Dynastar Speed 963 skis and have seen some Dynastar WC Masters GS skis with R22 raceplate and bindings €475 brand new and am tempted!
Only concern is whether with the longer radius of 19m in 165cm length that I'll be using too much piste and become a liability!!!
I guess I could try them and if I don't get on with them can always move them on at that price!
Went up first thing today, but there's so many people here right now only managed 149........
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@AntonAusTirol, I guess if you need the Mojo's then that's allowed, so you're in, great work
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8 Grim Rippers now, who's next???
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@KenX, I have a pair of Rossi M18's and a Dynastar Master GS in a 19m radius, both are 175cm. They're a classic instructor ski. I think something like that is the best option.
I tend to find that my turns are c.1-2m tighter (according to carv) than the actual radius, and that'll be due to bending the ski. I don't take up too much room on the piste, but I only go for it when its quiet enough.
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| swskier wrote: |
@KenX, I have a pair of Rossi M18's and a Dynastar Master GS in a 19m radius, both are 175cm. They're a classic instructor ski. I think something like that is the best option.
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I tried some new Fischer 178cm 66m waist 18m radius skis in Lech on our last day in the Arlberg after the pow got baked. Couldn’t even get a half decent score as it’s impossible to open them up on a piste with anyone else on it. The 165cm FIS SL’s were much better.
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@AntonAusTirol,
>But it wasn't until my daughter demo'd what that really meant that I was able to implement it. For some reason I had assumed that a well executed in-corridor s-turn would pass as good turn shape (I mean, they feel great don't they). But it wasn't until I submitted to full on c-shaped carving that my turn shape score almost immediately jumped ...
Do you mean that you were now dropping the hips into the hill to generate the angulation/disassociation and hence power and turn??
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@BobinCH, sounds like you're skiing in the wrong places 
For what it's worth, the M25 in Verbier is not too busy for a c.18m radius ski when I was out training. We were all on them, and filming for our training week.
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| swskier wrote: |
@BobinCH, sounds like you're skiing in the wrong places
For what it's worth, the M25 in Verbier is not too busy for a c.18m radius ski when I was out training. We were all on them, and filming for our training week. |
You’re a better man than me then. I was quickly hitting warp speed on those things terrified of taking out a straight liner if I dug the edges in to sweep back across the piste! At least with the slalom skis I could stick to a corridor on one side of the piste
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You know it makes sense.
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My concerns exactly!
Maybe we're both semi out of control 
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@BobinCH, @KenX, maybe i'm just skiing particularly wide pistes
I often have to wait quite a bit of time for there to be nobody in front or behind me, but I don't have any issues. I could have used the R18m yesterday despite it being quite a busy Sunday up there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@swskier, we don't have wide pistes here!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| colinstone wrote: |
@AntonAusTirol,
Do you mean that you were now dropping the hips into the hill to generate the angulation/disassociation and hence power and turn?? |
I would say the technique you mention is pretty critical for all advanced carving, not just for full-radius/c-turns.
In my world, the only technical difference between a c-turn and an s-turn is with an s-turn you cut off the full turn radius during the unweighted phase. So in theory, an s-turn can be fully carved with no skidding, even though it isn't full-radius. This is achieved by rotating the skis to the new radius when they are unweighted and the edges are off the snow. Look at a GS course. They are all s-turns not c-turns.
But as far as I can tell Carv doesn't consider s-turns to be proper carving. Carv needs to detect a proper "c-turn", with the skis going 90 degrees to the fall line with no rotation during the unweighted phase. But as the guys are saying, using your full radius corridor usually makes other skiers confused and irritated. It's not intuitive for others to understand that you're going faster horizontally than vertically. Even if you start with an empty piste, a skier going for his new ski-tracks speed record can be in your 15m corridor before you know it. ( Or just head to @swkier's secret paradise )
So back to your point, the only set-up thing I do differently for c-turns rather than s-turns is have a bit more speed and edge-build to carry your momentum across the fall line at the full radius.
Hopefully somebody who actually knows what they are talking about can correct my crackpot theories.
| KenX wrote: |
| @AntonAusTirol, I guess if you need the Mojo's then that's allowed, so you're in, great work |
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Finally got to use my replacement CARV last week, but Half-term in Morzine wasn’t the place for good scores. Did manage to up my score slightly to 143, but all my decent scores were in the first run of the day. I also lost them to my daughter for the 2nd half of the week, she was particularly pleased that you could get the scores and coaching when you stopped, whilst listening to music the rest of the time. She managed a 129, so I’m happy to stay ahead of her and remain the second best skier in the family.
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Just managed to join the 150 club, only just mind. I had to take out Mrs.Ld slalom skis Atomic 9s. I'm slowly starting to understand what Carv wants.
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| swskier wrote: |
| If you look at the videos that get posted on FB by people like Barket Tyrpa, he's on a 175 R15/16m Nordica. |
Worth noting he’s a mere slip of a lad so those 175’s are not small on him.
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@swskier, do you reckon radius plays a part in carv scores? I’m on a Volkl Code Speedwall 178 cm which I think has a turn radius just over 18m. It’s definitely a ski that needs a fairly wide radius and lots of space on piste! Was looking at the new Redsters some of those are down at 14m radius…
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@kitenski, personally, I think jumping on a pair of SL's is a quick easy way to bump your score up, but you then hit a sort of plateau, because they start getting twitchy with too much speed, at which point a ski like yours, or I'm on a 175 R18m Rossignol M18, that's less twitchy at the sort of speeds required at the top end.
All of that said, I'm sure the right answer for me is to become a better skier and improve technique!
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