 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Gulp....am heading up to Fort Bill tomorrow and was planning a ride up Nevis. Hope everyone is okay.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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hope everyone is ok
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Just heard this on the news - hope no-one is too badly hurt
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Five injured, 70-ish trapped in remaining bubbles for a bit. According to the BBC, one car slid down the cable and hit another then fell off. I assume this means lots of the alpine cable cars will be taken off for inspection etc, as I'd imagine there are many others of the same type around the place.
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Not the first time this sort of accident has occured
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veeeight, very worrying. Do I now need an irrational anxiety about bubbles as well as 737s?
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David,
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Do I now need an irrational anxiety about bubbles as well as 737s?
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Its chairlifts you need to worry about. 70 people were trapped on the Nevis range Gondola for 4 hours.
Imagine being trapped for 4 hours on an exposed chairlift in worsening weather in January 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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pictures of the gondola accident cortesy of sky here
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Very sad - I hope everyone involved is okay and Nevis isn't too adversely affected. Hopefully just a freak accident but whatever it was it'll probably be far safer after this than before so hopefully people will realise this.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Were they running a tape recorder? How do they know this?
If an alarm sounded, was it a substitute for the system automatically braking to a halt? In short, how is the system designed to be fail-safe to prevent a faulty gondola clamp sliding down the cable?
What was the specified maintenance/replacement programme for the clamps (if a faulty one caused the accident), and was it followed?
Best to wait for the outcome of the official enquiry.
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Poster: A snowHead
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When I said "apparently" it was the ironic toungue-in-cheek "apparently".
As opposed to a definitive "apparently"
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Initial indications are that the gondola system stopped automatically when the grip did not attach to the cable correctly as it left the station. A brittle bar was broken on a safety system, stopping the gondola.
Unfortunately, the bar was replaced and the gondola was not visually checked. Upon start up, the gondola slide down the cable and into the next cabin, then fell to the ground.
Human error, not mechanical malfunction, appears to be the problem.
And yes, many gondolas have recording devices for logging the stops and faults.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Where are those indications from?
Not disputing it ... just wondering the source?
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Nevis Range have this on their website:
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Nevis Range re-opening Tuesday, 25 July 2006!!
Nevis Range will be re-opening for the public on Tuesday, 25 July 2006 at 10am. The Gondola will be complimentary all day. |
Ever been complimented by a gondola? Here's an opportunity.
Source: Nevis Range
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| roga wrote: |
| Very sad - I hope everyone involved is okay and Nevis isn't too adversely affected. Hopefully just a freak accident but whatever it was it'll probably be far safer after this than before so hopefully people will realise this. |
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Wed 2-07-08 14:22; edited 1 time in total
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| rob and sharon wrote: |
| hope everyone is ok |
Yea.
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this was bumped from 2 years ago for why 
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II I suspect the bumper has a personal interest - probably came up on google.
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Gen007
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Hope everyone is oakey.
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| katepmcneill wrote: |
| roga wrote: |
| Very sad - I hope everyone involved is okay and Nevis isn't too adversely affected. Hopefully just a freak accident but whatever it was it'll probably be far safer after this than before so hopefully people will realise this. |
QUOTE: I hope everyone involved is okay and Nevis isn't too adversely affected!!!! Yes it was very sad but God forbid Nevis Range would suffer like the people involved have, the mother of the young girl will never walk properly again and is still to this day receiving treatment for one of her broken legs, it was a freak accident, one which should never of happened if people had of been doing their jobs properly! |
Irrespective of what people did on the day the fact a functioning grip was able to pass through a functioning attachment mech and stay open raises issues, and there are many many thousands of these grips in use. Unless you have all the facts perhaps you should reconsider what you have posted above.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Was there and accident inquiry? It would be interesting to know what the cause was.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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"The Austrian manufacturer of the gondola system said the incident was caused by operator error.
Doppelmayr said an alarm sounded before one of the cars crashed into another - but no action was taken."
"The operators of the Nevis Range mountain gondola system are due to stand trial over an accident which injured five people two years ago.
Not guilty pleas were entered to charges that the firm and one of its employees contravened health and safety legislation.
The prosecution follows the crash in July 2006 when one of the cable cars broke free and plunged to the ground.
At Fort William Sheriff Court a trial date was set for 20 October 2008.
The accident happened at the Nevis Range ski centre in July 2006, when the gondola became detached from its cable and plunged 25ft to the ground.
A three-year-old girl, who broke her leg, and a Dutch tourist, who suffered chest injuries, were among those hurt."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7451863.stm
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II, thanks. In general, I would like to think that Doppelmayr should have made their systems fail-safe and whatever safety action is possible should happen automatically, if the risk of failure is foreseeable at a significant rate. Of course operators have responsibilities, too. I suppose we shall understand better when the court case takes place. Real bummer for those injured - my sympathy to them.
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You know it makes sense.
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achilles, I think it's difficult to know how thay can make them failsafe. I would imagine that in some circumstances that automatically applying an emergency brake could excasperate things. I know that in the case of the Fallboden chair in Wengen it was at one stage alleged that the accident was due to a freak gust of wind at exactly the same time as the brake was applied. I have no idea if this was true, but for it to have been mentioned, then it must be a possible scenario to happen.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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[quote="Winterhighland"]
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| roga wrote: |
| Very sad - I hope everyone involved is okay and Nevis isn't too adversely affected. Hopefully just a freak accident but whatever it was it'll probably be far safer after this than before so hopefully people will realise this. |
Irrespective of what people did on the day the fact a functioning grip was able to pass through a functioning attachment mech and stay open raises issues, and there are many many thousands of these grips in use. Unless you have all the facts perhaps you should reconsider what you have posted above. |
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Wed 2-07-08 14:21; edited 2 times in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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As an engineer I'd say that it is probably impossible to make a cable car completely fail safe, however if as has been reported there was an alarm which a member of staff ignored I have to wonder why that alarm did not automatically apply the brakes, it seems to me that if there is a system in place to identify the fact that a car is not properly secured to the cable before it leaves the station then it should not be possible to ignore the fact.
However I don't know just how the system is set up or indeed if teh reports of an alarm being ignored are accurate
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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D G Orf, that's pretty much along the lines of what I was thinking.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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katepmcneill, you obviously feel strongly about this, but until the H&SE report is published, and the trial is concluded, then we don't know what happened. To make accusations doesn't help the situation.
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| Elizabeth B wrote: |
| katepmcneill, you obviously feel strongly about this, but until the H&SE report is published, and the trial is concluded, then we don't know what happened. To make accusations doesn't help the situation. |
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Wed 2-07-08 14:20; edited 1 time in total
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katepmcneill, You are indeed. And I am very sorry for what your family has been through.
But if you publish your opinions to a website you should be willing to defend them in court and should also understand why the publisher of this website may wish not wish to share that risk- or facilitate you expressing them. Do you think a newspaper would publish your comments without commentary and a chance for the other parties to rebut your views?
[edit 7/7/08 katepmcneill appears to have edited her posts to remove all comments about her opinion. A sensible thing to do. I wish her luck.]
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Mon 7-07-08 20:11; edited 1 time in total
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At present there are not enough facts in the public domain about the sequence of events to make an informed comment. I have worked on lifts with similar systems and age, there are different levels of grip force "alarms". Grip force is monitored and if it is on the margins of acceptable force the alarm will sound and a warning be logged - the lift would continue to function and the operators would be expected to let it continue to run - lift mechanics check the log each day in the daily pre-opening checks. If however the force is dangerously out of the intended range, the lift would shutdown then apply the emergency brake and the lift operators alone could not restart the system - only lift mechanics could restart or if deemed necessary for evacuation over-ride the system.
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