 Poster: A snowHead
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@boarder2020,
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partly due to thinking there's already tracks
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This. Never, ever, follow tracks just because there are tracks.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It's very easy knowing a steep couloir is a risk, but it's much harder when the terrain is very gradually changing.
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Very true. And that's exactly why I totally don't get why there haven't been any repercussions for the guide.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@boarder2020,
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partly due to thinking there's already tracks
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This. Never, ever, follow tracks just because there are tracks. |
Agree that you should never blindly follow tracks. But I think tracks should absolutely play a role in decision making. There is arguably no better test than somebody skiing a slope, and I seem to remember the stats are overwhelming that any slide is usually triggered by the fist skier. There is a reason Bruce Tremper suggest never going first!
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@boarder2020, not if the tracks are from a speed rider ! 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Tristero wrote: |
| ... I totally don't get why there haven't been any repercussions for the guide. |
See above; there was no guide involved here, nor even any paid professional as far as can be ascertained on an internet forum. Hence the theoretical questions to those in the business as to what kind of risky management the various professional bodies mandate are not directly related to this incident.
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| phil_w wrote: |
| See above; there was no guide involved here, nor even any paid professional as far as can be ascertained on an internet forum. |
You are right to be cautious. The ski instructor was from the ESI in Megeve but AFAIKS there is no information publically available about in what capacity he was with the group. None of the group had beacons (it was claimed in the press that the instructor had a beacon).
I think this was posted previously but Bruce Goodlad did an analysis of the avalanche, which may be of interest.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=755361643300047
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I remember in Japan skiing and area that seemed to be a bit of a valley down to a river. There were some tracks heading down but we couldn't work out where the exit would be, so decided to stay higher. A few turns later we saw some guys breathing heavily and trying to hike back up 
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| phil_w wrote: |
| Tristero wrote: |
| ... I totally don't get why there haven't been any repercussions for the guide. |
See above; there was no guide involved here, nor even any paid professional as far as can be ascertained on an internet forum. Hence the theoretical questions to those in the business as to what kind of risky management the various professional bodies mandate are not directly related to this incident. |
So the French instructor involved was a friend of the victims with whom they were skiing as equals?
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| Tristero wrote: |
| ... So the French instructor involved was a friend of the victims with whom they were skiing as equals? |
Your conclusion is roughly how I interpreted the reports, yes.
Hence someone above was trying to double-check if the [inquest?] came out with anything different from what you said. It looks like this, yes.
Sorry if I mislead with questions about European professional ethics; that was not directly related to this case, but I was curious.
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