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Sorry to her that Mr M. Fingers crossed you'll be sorted out and good to go next season.
Just make sure you do loads of painful physio between now and then 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Hello. There is a monster ACL rehab thread that you have plenty of time to read through. It covers more than just rehab. Sorry to hear about your injury.
Not all ACL injuries are the same. A key factor in how quickly to get assessed is the amount of collateral damage. You will know this from the swelling and pain, none of which comes form the ruptured ACL. You get this down with RICE - lots of icing especially. Then you assess your stability. Some people find their legs collapsing, some don't. Broadly, if you don't you might want to skip the op. If you do, then the op is going to be beneficial.
Ignore the "at your age" stuff. Health services don't want to spend money on older people, they don't see the point, especially if you are not in the workforce. The best solution for you is the one that gets you doing what you want to do. You can build muscle at any age, it just takes a little longer when you are older. They are excellent at doing reconstructions here in Cham.
I too did mine in a January. Soon you will get into a different rhythm that does not include skiing, and probably includes the pool and gym - which has a wonderful view of Mont Blanc. Good luck with the process.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Commiserations @under a new name, and feel for you just as the snow got it's house in order with more competent delivery.
Anecdotal detail, a friend did the same some time ago now with consequently no reconstruction, just the hard physiotherapy/exercises rehab. Still skiing and without brace. Walks alot and completed extensive distance altitude trips with minimal issue.
Still slightly nervous about some aspects of skiing linger within his mind, but no particular problem or curtailed ski use.
Similar in that it was low speed, hired some serious slalom skis, against strenuous hire shop advice, tootling along to somewhere and with inattention hooked an edge on one which went under the other and rolled him over the knee to rupture the ACL.
Best wishes for your outcome.
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against strenuous hire shop advice
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We don't let him forget that @pam w, going round to see him this Saturday too, he still prefers an on point ski thats quite potent which I see as playing with fire really.
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@sbooker, have PM’d you
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@under a new name, did mine in 2008 at the age of 54: reconstruction - then skiing again in 2009 with no issues since (skiing Alpine; Telemark and Randonée)
Thoroughly recommend joining this forum for advice & support
https://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/
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@under a new name, did mine in 2008 at the age of 54: reconstruction - then skiing again in 2009 with no issues since (skiing Alpine; Telemark and Randonée)
Thoroughly recommend joining this forum for advice & support
https://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/ |
+1. Assuming it is still active. Found it invaluable back in 2005
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What rotten luck, just as the sun came out. Hope you make a full recovery and back sliding soon.
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@NickyJ,
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+1. Assuming it is still active. Found it invaluable back in 2005
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It sure is - just re-read my original postings 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@NickyJ,
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+1. Assuming it is still active. Found it invaluable back in 2005
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It sure is - just re-read my original postings |
I've got posts on there too. Samerberg Sue used to have something to do with it
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back bottom! Tbh on my experience when younger of MTFUing and pressing on without a recon for a few years is find someone who will recon if it's a complete tear. It's amazing when you can walk after a day's skiing and a short car journey.
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You know it makes sense.
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@NickyJ,
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+1. Assuming it is still active. Found it invaluable back in 2005
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It sure is - just re-read my original postings |
I've got posts on there too. Samerberg Sue used to have something to do with it |
Yes she gave me great advice at the time.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Thank you all for the kind words and encouragement. Love s. Apologies for not individual replies.
As the Mayo clinic puts it, concerns over return to activity trump age in most cases and who chooses/re-engineers their lives to live in Chamonix if not for its sports?
Strategy currently, seeing the physio at 09h30 today. Will get appt with my GP Wednesday after MRI tuesday with view to getting referred to surgeon. Looks like Annecy has two excellent centres. And we'll see after that.
But my current view is to get it done and therefore get it done soonest.
(What I (also) hadn't picked up is that the recon provides a scaffold for ligamentous tissue to (hopefully) grow back around.)
@Scarlet, I have ordered two large barrels for my sis-in-law to put her kids into, per Mark Twain.
@davidof, not old age I don't think, rather at least in my case a distinct lack of proper ski fitness post inactive summer preceding heart surgery in autumn, despite diligent cardiac rehab since. Also, it's not uncommon for it to happen in slow relaxed situations as that's when your knee can just be too relaxed.
There was no warning, no indication of any weakness just before.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@under a new name, While not the same, I was out of action for a while 11 years ago when I had a hip resurfaced.
I was devastated about not being able to ski, cycle, walk in the hills properly for basically an entire season for each of them.
Getting your head round the inactivity and the occasional mental down periods can be the worst thing if you are used to being active - I found that treating the rehab as my "training" and getting back to normal as my target were what helped me get through it.
I found that I wasnt pain free post op as soon as I hoped - but persevere, its really worth it in the end.
Good luck
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@GreenDay, yeah, it's definitely a moment to treat as an "opportunity". I will get my hand done, in any case, so that's one thing that was going to take time out of activities. And I'm still not properrly fit so an extended period of physio led exercise is no bad thing. A real physical reset.
MRI on Tuesday will be the definitive moment we think for strategy.
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My wife did hers on the Hintertux glacier and was flown to clinic by helicopter. She also partially ruptured her MCL and fractured two bones in her. She had ACL reconstruction when she got home and spent about three months in a full leg brace together with three months off work.
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@Corky, ugh! My physio (saw her this morning, for reference her history is a broken back 20 yeasrs ago and ACL recons both sides, so she has personal experience) is pretty confident taht there's no collateral damage, except perhaps meniscal. MRI will show, probably. But other ligaments, etc. seem fine.
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@under a new name, well you're in good company!
Josefine As is probably one of the best female skiers La Grave has seen, she was one of the best in Sweden before moving to LG with Per.
I've skied/toured with her a good number of times and she just rips, though with me she's in about third gear
She posted this on Instagram a few days ago, and I've been in contact and seeing her next week.
But it's the whole not falling thing that I've not heard before, and now you.
Knowing a large number of people who have done theirs, there obviously are varying degrees of "doing" an ACL as some can ski, whereas others can hardly walk down the stairs without their knee buckling from under them.
I've done both, one really bad with other tears, and then as I've mentioned on here before, evidently I did my other, but never knew, only finding out after the surgeon had performed some keyhole and had a look, though since then he's looked at an MRI ten years later, after I bust my knee, and I asked how the ACL was and he said it's more in-tact??!
So great advice as ever on here when it comes to ACL problems, though everyone is different and pre/rehab will depend on how strong you were and how much work you're prepared to put in to getting back on the horse.
This is JoJo's post.
Well, what to say - conditions are all time and yesterday I tried to follow the young guns team @extremskis . So much fun but sometimes I tend to forget I’m not 30 anymore and that I had a pretty messy year including a 2 week nasty Covid a few weeks ago. Body told me and last run I snapped my ACL. No fall just not strong enough. Shite. But I guess someone is telling me something and I haven’t had a ski accident in 25 years. Time to heal and get stronger. I look forward to start training. Have fun in the snow. And forever grateful to all the help from Jerome and Martin the ski patrollers in La Grave as well as @ollesod and big thanks to my best @_luka_as and @t30_as for helping me with everything and for @randozen_by_rachel_bourg and Paloma who came and gave me some love at the hospital
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Very sorry to hear that.
It was obviously something to do with the amount of Camber. 
Serious thoughts:
- Were you on your new skis - If so, could that have anything to do with it (like extra width/length/leverage)?
- I wonder if your knee was on the point of going? Have you had an ACL endangering fall recently?
- Could it have been a flexibility/warm up/fitness issue?
With things like this, I personally like to understand what caused the problem ie. Where it isn't blindingly obvious.
I think we are a similarish age (though I think I'm a bit older)....and find I'm much less robust and more easily broken than I used to be.
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@under a new name, hmm yes thinking back to my original ACL rupture was after a fall which happened after being nowhere near as fit as normal as I had been knocked of my bicycle a few months before which meant I was too hurt to play hockey and as normal
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@NickyJ, indeed. If nothing else, we used to walk 350m up and down a 17% hill 1-3 times a day which we no longer do which must have had a base benefit.
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| @under a new name, hmm yes thinking back to my original ACL rupture was after a fall which happened after being nowhere near as fit as normal as I had been knocked of my bicycle a few months before which meant I was too hurt to play hockey and as normal |
I think this can't be underestimated.
IME The knee needs to be well supported by the surrounding muscles - which need to be strong, supple and flexible. The "natural fitness" that we took for granted in our 20s, simply doesn't exist in the 60s, so requires consistent effort. It is much safer to be fit to ski, than ski to be fit.
I think most of us are 30 years younger in our minds - and (of course) nothing like the people of 60+ who we knew when we were young, who were really old! 
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@Old Fartbag,
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I think most of us are 30 years younger in our minds - and (of course) nothing like the people of 60+ who we knew when we were young, who were really old!
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I am 100% convinced that I stopped aging at 26, 30 years ago.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Old Fartbag,
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I think most of us are 30 years younger in our minds - and (of course) nothing like the people of 60+ who we knew when we were young, who were really old!
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I am 100% convinced that I stopped aging at 26, 30 years ago. |
A fair bit younger than me then. You've been on skis so long, I had put you down as older.
You will recover from this. The speed will depend on:
- How fit you generally are (not an issue and you are certainly not overweight)
- How bad the tear is
- The skill of the surgeon/physio
- The effort you put into rehab....which includes not pushing too hard or skiing before you are fully ready
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You've been on skis so long
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Titter.
No, I just started early, when I was about 4 y.o. On wooden skis with spiked metal plates for toe bindings and welly boots for ski boots. The spikes went right into my feet and my parents didn't believe me until the took the boots off and the blood poured out. Feet and welly boots ruined. Luckily not so my enthusiasm.
Yeah, recovery not optional. And indeed, not spending the 4th or 5th day hooning down the Grands in 50cms of powder I mean, really, I have to get myself properly fit so that I can do that on day one without concern.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Cacciatore, thanks. Yes, it is frustrating looking out on perfect conditions. My physio reckons I'll be on the 'bike next week and I have a set of maintenance exercises for my quads, etc., and ROM to be done every 2 hours quite tiring to be honest. Muscle loss is the big fear.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Old Fartbag,
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I think most of us are 30 years younger in our minds - and (of course) nothing like the people of 60+ who we knew when we were young, who were really old!
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I am 100% convinced that I stopped aging at 26, 30 years ago. |
Incredible, coincidently I stopped aging 40 years ago when I was only 16, quite similar to you. Unfortunately the stupid lump of muscle and bone I'm housed in has continued to age, and after peaking somewhere in my twenties is definitely now in decline.
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Mrs T did her knee when she was 46, a very good skier, but had been doing a desk job for some time, a little tired, after lunch, she didn't see a 20cm drop & pop went her acl + other damage 
My job has me almost constantly crouching down, standing up, up & down steps. I'd love a job where I can stay clean, but no such job keeps me as fit or pays as well
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@Cacciatore, 
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Age is almost irrelevant when deciding who to reconstruct ; even to the point that the over 40’s do better than the under 40’s.
What’s important is the level of fitness and activity profile.
Jonathan Bell
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Thanks, @Jonathan Bell.
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Age is almost irrelevant when deciding who to reconstruct ; even to the point that the over 40’s do better than the under 40’s.
What’s important is the level of fitness and activity profile.
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Well I was definitely getting the impression that if I was younger they would be recommending reconstruction, and if I was older, they wouldn't. However, with the age I am (late 50's), and the level of activity that I do, the consultant said it could go either way, and it was basically up to me. Which isn't a lot of help when you don't know much about it, and are still in the shock stage of having to accept that you really have injured yourself, and the Summer's activity has just gone out the window, and possibly next WInter's skiing and teaching as well!
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)). Could it have been on the point of going? Quite possible, there had been no dodgy falls and no pain, but who knows? I guess we never will. Fitness issue? Most certainly.
