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Has it been much harder for Brits to find season work?

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@davidof, ok, maybe not 100% harder, but, approximately 96.26% harder Eh oh!

Anecdotally, from an employee perspective at least ( admittedly I have no experience of the process before ) in the past, as a UK - and therefore EU citizen - you applied for a job, got the job, arranged transport, and voila, turned up for your first day of employment - roughly, I suspect, the process for EEA individuals?
Today ? With the wonderful 3CN ‘status’…… it’s much, much harder………
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Basically, the responses to the thread's titular question that are along the lines of "Yes, but no more than was the case already with non-EU countries pre-Brexit." may be true, but that's not any sort of positive change. It was always harder to get a job in Switzerland than the EU because CH isn't in the EU. All we've done with Brexit is a 'levelling-down' re Alpine employment, for no tangible benefits.
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davidof wrote:
Timberwolf wrote:

And whilst it’s pointless debating the definition of ‘hard’, what’s irrefutable is that the process is 100% ‘harder’ than it used to be. And, for what ?

WindOfChange made the good point in that it is just one of the many administrative things that an employer has to go through so it is not 100% harder but it is harder to employee a none EEA person in France.

I read that as suggesting that before brexit there was no process to go through at all, hence even just a little but hard is 100% harder than previously.

Silly point, perhaps, and probably not even true, but the fact remains that it is undisputedly a lot harder than it used to be.
Is it as strict as the Swiss system (for non EU/EFTA) as someone suggested? I doubt it, TBH, but I do take the point that it might still be much more difficult - while I don't love the Swiss bureaucracy, it's pretty much guaranteed to work as stated, unlike the French.
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Timberwolf wrote:
@davidof, ok, maybe not 100% harder, but, approximately 96.26% harder Eh oh!


I don't the exact percentage from an employers viewpoint but there is already a lot of admin stuff to do to employ someone. Which is partly why the British TOs largely resorted to using posted workers.

But I agree that any extra friction will put employers off.

At the moment there is a huge worker shortage in all areas (except politicians, we have enough of them) so they are probably prepared to make the extra effort if anyone wants to work in France. Once you've got a job you can get a carte de sejour.
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@davidof,
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except politicians, we have easily more than enough of them (and maires)


FIFY wink
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@shep, spot on
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under a new name wrote:
@davidof,
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except politicians, we have easily more than enough of them (and maires)


FIFY wink


thanks, I'm sure we've missed a few jobs though
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@davidof, too funny!
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This thread has focussed on France but what is the situation for Italy. If you go to this website (Italian govt. visa site, it says you don't need a visa for less than 90 days work if from the UK)

https://vistoperitalia.esteri.it/home/en

The Italian embassy in London says the same thing... but are they confusing Visa with Work Permit ?

The UK govt also references the above site for if you need a permit to work in Italy.
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@davidof, I think they are confusing visa with work permit. Sub 90 daays, sure you can visit while working but I don't imagine the rules are very different from France.
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@davidof, I think they are confusing visa with work permit. Sub 90 daays, sure you can visit while working but I don't imagine the rules are very different from France.


I think you are correct but BASI, for example, are advising ski instructors they can work up to 90 days in Italy.

from basi.org.uk "Can British nationals work as independent, self-employed snowsports instructors in Italy? We have been told that British nationals can work < 90 days in Italy without a visa. More than 90 days, and a visa will be required"
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Not that easy:

https://www.italianvisa.it/self-employment-visa-as-freelance-worker/

What is an Italy Self-Employment Visa?
The Itay Self-Employment visa is a type of Italian long-stay visa (national or D-visa). This is the type of visa you must apply for if you intend to work as a freelancer or open a start-up business in Italy.

However, the self-employment visa for Italy is simply an entrance visa. This means it allows you to enter the country, but you still need additional authorization to stay and work there.
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Extremophile wrote:
snowrider wrote:
Extremophile wrote:
I think in time it might become easier to do seasons, I mean, didn’t the French change the rules about seasonal work and claiming benefits between seasons? I could be wrong on that but if it’s also harder to employ French people on seasonal contracts surely it’ll only be a matter of time before seasonal working visas are available, don’t forget French businesses owned by French people will struggle with staffing difficulties and some local authorities do have quite a lot of sway with government.


Seasonal work visas for employees are already available. Unfortunately not available for self employed yet.


And be easy to applied for without so many hoops to jump through around the work permit on the employer side. To be fair I didn’t word my postvery well.

Didn’t realise there was already a seasonal visa - please can you share a link for me?


https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en/web/france-visas/salaried-employment

Here are the different employee visas, see the 5th one down for seasonal workers.
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With all this considered, I think I'll just do a season in Japan!
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Hyst wrote:
Not that easy:

https://www.italianvisa.it/self-employment-visa-as-freelance-worker/

What is an Italy Self-Employment Visa?
The Itay Self-Employment visa is a type of Italian long-stay visa (national or D-visa). This is the type of visa you must apply for if you intend to work as a freelancer or open a start-up business in Italy.

However, the self-employment visa for Italy is simply an entrance visa. This means it allows you to enter the country, but you still need additional authorization to stay and work there.


Yes I know about the self employment then residents visa - but I was looking at the specific case of <90 days work. I appreciate the BASI may have got confused though.
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