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On reflection, I think @pateman99, is correct. There's no direct bus from LG to Les Prodains, you need to either get a bus (or ski) to Morzine and then change for a separate one to Les Prodains. It's been a couple of seasons since I've skied in that area.
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@kitenski, yes more choice from morzine
@zzz, yes it's isolated, like other parts of PdS, can be good or bad....but how many days have there been without skiing in the last 10 seasons? Hardly any until last week. It's one bus to Morzine, or any of the transfer companies, taxis, shared cars etc. to ardent / prodains. Remarkable how many people keep going there though....maybe it will get quieter.
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| polo wrote: |
| @franga, yes, I appear to have made a mistake for the weekend......only the Op run looked dry, I've now checked the other ensembles and models and it's quite wet.....so that's the reality at the moment, dodgy weekend followed by a visit from the polar vortex |
The latest GFS run looks relatively dry this weekend until late on Sunday ... with the FL starting pretty high but then dropping down pretty quickly overnight into Monday?
Or am I just being too hopeful?
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| kitenski wrote: |
@ben76, cheers, so perhaps better if I was based in Morzine so I can get into Avoriaz for higher skiing if necessary but also over to Les Gets one morning if also needed.
Does anyone have any recommended self catering apartments for 3 that would a few nights stay? |
Not particularly helpful as we aren't arriving until this weekend so can't review but we are staying at https://www.aiglonmorzine.com/
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Look at the 14 and 15th below.....2000m FL and high precipitation (red lines), then much better 16-18th with possible 800m FL
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| polo wrote: |
Look at the 14 and 15th below.....2000m FL and high precipitation (red lines), then much better 16-18th with possible 800m FL
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Ah yes - I was looking at the Meteociel forecast in tabular form ... hopefully, there's still time for this to change ...
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@franga, that table is just the Op (black ensemble) run....which happens to be dry on the 06z, but it will move around a lot from run to run that far out. The red mean above is more telling in my view. Need a big change to happen soon, but I'm focused on tomorrow....lift or no lift
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| kitenski wrote: |
@ben76, cheers, so perhaps better if I was based in Morzine so I can get into Avoriaz for higher skiing if necessary but also over to Les Gets one morning if also needed.
Does anyone have any recommended self catering apartments for 3 that would a few nights stay? |
We did this last year. Stayed here (https://morzinebarn.co.uk/) and was perfect for a two minute walk to the Super Morzine up to Avoriaz. Also used the free little bus over to the Pleney lift for access to LG side of the valley, but walked it once and was only 10 mins max.
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| polo wrote: |
| @franga, that table is just the Op (black ensemble) run....which happens to be dry on the 06z, but it will move around a lot from run to run that far out. The red mean above is more telling in my view. Need a big change to happen soon, but I'm focused on tomorrow....lift or no lift |
You know the answer to that one 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| polo wrote: |
| @franga, that table is just the Op (black ensemble) run....which happens to be dry on the 06z, but it will move around a lot from run to run that far out. The red mean above is more telling in my view. Need a big change to happen soon, but I'm focused on tomorrow....lift or no lift |
Got it, thanks very much. Enjoy tomorrow and I'll make sure we'll enjoy Friday which looks relatively dry ...
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I was up Lindarets from midday: snowing most of the time. Cold and windy up the top of Grande Conche and Fornet bowl. Rubbish viz but quiet pistes. Much more still needed (esp off piste) but this storm will help the pistes no end once they've been prepared. By 3pm there was at least 5cm on the car at Ardent, so a fair bit more of that up top. Should be a good week if this continues.
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You know it makes sense.
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Snowmageddon on the GEM 12Z run...*
*only joking
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I don't think it's going to snow as much as forecast by tomorrow. It just looks too showery, also on the radar forecast (Météo Suisse).
That said, tomorrow might be the best day since a while so I might venture out, driving up from Lausanne for the day.
Re the Gabelou lift, it would be little hardship to go at half speed. I never saw a queue there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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If the forecast next week materialises (Which it may not, it is a long way off yet!) we are going to see everyone complaining about there being too much snow and everything being closed due to the avy risk! Can't win  Arrive in Morzine Saturday, hoping for a big dump anyway!
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| kitenski wrote: |
@ben76, cheers, so perhaps better if I was based in Morzine so I can get into Avoriaz for higher skiing if necessary but also over to Les Gets one morning if also needed.
Does anyone have any recommended self catering apartments for 3 that would a few nights stay? |
How many bedrooms and what dates, I know a few in our building
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@Nadenoodlee, Thanks - its 3 people (maybe 2 more in another apt) 1st-4th Feb
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@kitenski, ours is full but let me ask our friends.
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OK - I appreciate this is an impossible question to answer with any certainty - but based on current forecasts, do people think Morzine / Les Gets (and St Jean d'Aulps) will reopen part of their domains any time soon. And if so, how much might be open?
The 12Z GFS was superb but the this evening's 18Z is poor - more rain at the weekend, and less snow afterwards. So it is uncertain how good / bad the end of this week / beginning of next week will be, even if it seems likely it'll be nice and cold once we get through it.
I'm due in St Jean d'Aulps on Wed 18th January and ideally would like to explore St Jean, Morzine, Les Gets and Avoriaz, as I haven't been to that half of the PdS before. I'm still wondering about rebooking elsewhere, but will lose money on those pesky Black Friday ski passes (which aren't looking as much like a great deal as they were before!). Everything else is refundable.
What would you do in my scenario?
Edit: P.S. it's for 11 days, with 9 days skiing.
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| denfinella wrote: |
OK - I appreciate this is an impossible question to answer with any certainty - but based on current forecasts, do people think Morzine / Les Gets (and St Jean d'Aulps) will reopen part of their domains any time soon. And if so, how much might be open?
The 12Z GFS was superb but the this evening's 18Z is poor - more rain at the weekend, and less snow afterwards. So it is uncertain how good / bad the end of this week / beginning of next week will be, even if it seems likely it'll be nice and cold once we get through it.
I'm due in St Jean d'Aulps on Wed 18th January and ideally would like to explore St Jean, Morzine, Les Gets and Avoriaz, as I haven't been to that half of the PdS before. I'm still wondering about rebooking elsewhere, but will lose money on those pesky Black Friday ski passes (which aren't looking as much like a great deal as they were before!). Everything else is refundable.
What would you do in my scenario? |
I feel your pain ...
We're actually in Les Gets from Thursday night and are planning to ski / board from Friday to Sunday ... it looks like Friday will be the best of the 3 days (relatively speaking).
I have looked at other resorts within a reasonable driving distance - this is just a bonus weekend so I'm not getting overly stressed about it. The only viable alternatives (in terms of altitude) are Argentiere or Verbier. And possibly Courmayeur depending on what the rain forecast looks like nearer the time.
Of course, you'll be fine in Avoriaz but I'd be surprised if (this also very much applies to us also) you'd be able to cover miles and miles ... I think the PdS resorts will use the next 10 days to somehow rebuild and, more importantly, maintain a base for the French holidays / UK HT. That's what I would do anyway.
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@denfinella, it depends on...
- how much you want to ski and your standards of enjoyment for less than perfect skiing.
- how frustrated you'll get if the snow doesn't come. Will you still enjoy yourself eating cheese, doing other stuff etc.?
- what's your cancellation deadline.
I could tell you what I'd do, but my answers to the above would be likely different from yours.
There's an unknown amount of snow coming this evening, a rain to snow event on Wednesday to Thursday which may be good or not, and the same again on Sunday to Monday. The models will flip back and forth a few times before then.
If all the above come good, it may be fine, even very good by the 18th. It could also be almost as crap as it is now.
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| denfinella wrote: |
OK - I appreciate this is an impossible question to answer with any certainty - but based on current forecasts, do people think Morzine / Les Gets (and St Jean d'Aulps) will reopen part of their domains any time soon. And if so, how much might be open?
The 12Z GFS was superb but the this evening's 18Z is poor - more rain at the weekend, and less snow afterwards. So it is uncertain how good / bad the end of this week / beginning of next week will be, even if it seems likely it'll be nice and cold once we get through it.
I'm due in St Jean d'Aulps on Wed 18th January and ideally would like to explore St Jean, Morzine, Les Gets and Avoriaz, as I haven't been to that half of the PdS before. I'm still wondering about rebooking elsewhere, but will lose money on those pesky Black Friday ski passes (which aren't looking as much like a great deal as they were before!). Everything else is refundable.
What would you do in my scenario? |
Stop over-thinking this - we don’t know worst case take a car or bus to Ardent and enjoy Avoriaz, Châtel and some Swiss side. There will be enough terrain open to keep you busy and have a wonderful time.
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@denfinella, my honest answer is not enough snow fell today to make a difference, however there is more forecast overnight, then more on the 12th with a dip in temps. So if those 2 events add say 30-50cm that should be enough to open more, but then there is the warming on the 14/15th!
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Wise words above
@denfinella, just a minor point but the 18z isn’t out yet
Weather - it’s still snowing heavily tonight with a top up on Thursday
weekend - anything could happen, several fronts crossing, the warm one might miss to the north or end up soaking the pack. Next week, some charts look amazing, others meh, but the anomalies are still solid for more cold / snow
Am sure there will be enough snow and plenty open below avoriaz. Might be amazing, might be average, but I can’t see anything disastrous striking right now……although of course over 9 days it could go wrong.
I don’t see why there is any more risk now than in a more normal season, mid Jan, plenty of snow around and plenty of time to open a significant amount of lower pistes. But all the higher stuff will be in great shape regardless.
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my daughter is looking to come out 17-22nd Jan (student left everything last minute!!)
She's found some accom in La Chapelle-dʼAbondance, I'm assuming that's not currently open? But if she was there could she get over to Avoriaz if nothing more opened?
we've both been looking on the avoriaz and morzine websites but their "official" accommodation searches aren't coming up with anything
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La Chapelle not currently open. She would simply get a regular bus to Châtel (Linga) and from there either ski to Linderets or get another shuttle to Pre La Joux and ski. Has she looked for accommodation in Châtel as here should be plenty available?
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You know it makes sense.
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From the webcam they seem to be running the cannons in the mid part of Gentiannes, meaning they plan to open Chavannes to the centre? Hopefully they get enough prepared so that clubs can get kids up there!
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@Ozboy, thanks, I'm not that up on the area and what's open!
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Thanks all, that's helpful.
@franga, yes, I bet there are lots of people in a similar situation. If I was in your situation I'd stay put since you're only going for three days. Even just Avoriaz on its own would have plenty to keep you busy, and as you have said, there aren't many better alternatives nearby. For me, I've got 9 days skiing and like exploring new areas, so I'd really like to be able to get my teeth into Morzine / Les Gets since that's the biggest "new" sector for me. And St Jean, since I'm staying there!
@snoozeboy, will always ski from first to last lift unless it is pouring with rain. Not particularly bothered by poor weather or snow conditions, but do like to cover the miles (on piste). I'll enjoy food etc. regardless, but I can still do that whichever resort I choose. Cancellation deadline is realistically this weekend so will wait and see what happens with the weather / forecast, but starting to think about different possibilities now so I can cancel / re-book quickly if needed. I think you are right that all scenarios are still on the table, ranging from amazing to pretty poor.
@Ozboy, yes, you're right of course, there'll be lots to explore regardless. I was rather hoping to get to know Morzine / Les Gets / St Jean this time though - I really like exploring new areas.
@kitenski, agree with that summary. The uncertainty over the weekend makes it difficult as that could make a big difference to conditions.
@polo, d'oh, when referring to the 12Z GFS I meant the 6Z, and when referring to the 18Z I meant the 12Z! I don't quite share your optimism currently re. the extent of runs open below 1500m, but I hope you're right. I think there is more risk this year because there would usually be a base below 1700m, which only really started re-forming today.
Whatever happens it does look like there'll be decent surface conditions on whatever is open next week, given the cold temperatures. I don't need to decide until the end of the week and will try not to clog up this thread with this personal stuff too much before then 
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Was wondering where definella got the 18z from. Thought I was missing some inside info for a mo.
My amateur rain/snow forecasts above were based on the gfs 12z from Châtel, which doesn't look so bad unless I'm missing something.
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@Ozboy, that's great thanks!! Can you get to Avoriaz from Chatel with the current conditions?
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@kitenski, yes you can get from Chatel (well, Linga) to Avoriaz currently. (You won't be able to get between Super Chatel and Avoriaz by lift because of the broken Gabelou chair, but you can just use the bus between Chatel and Linga.)
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| kitenski wrote: |
| @Ozboy, that's great thanks!! Can you get to Avoriaz from Chatel? |
Avoriaz is 3 lifts from the pre la joux part of Châtel.
It's quite disorientatimg from the pds piste map, but the way I see it,is that linderets runs down the middle of the pds. One one side you have Avoriaz, morzine, les gets/st jean in increasing order of distance. On the other you have Châtel/Champery, torgon/La chapelle, Abondance in the same increasing order of distance from linderets.
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@kitenski, Yes, you can get from Avoriaz to Chatel (and vice versa). Bear in mind that everybody from Avoriaz, Les Gets, Morzine and half the Swiss side (and plenty from Chatel as well) will be skiing at Avoriaz. Plenty of good skiing in the Linga and PLJ sectors of Chatel.
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... the caveat of my previous post being that pre la joux is quite a long way from chatel village but the skiing to get there is some of the best in the pds.
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@kitenski,
Yes easily.
Pre la Joux and Linga are parts of Chatel.
They are both on a dead end road and are in the same Navette (free bus).
Above them Is the Plaine Dranse area of Chatel.
From Plaine Dranse it’s very simple to get over to Avoriaz sector and drop into Les Linderets in Avoriaz.
Also from Linderets is easy to get up to the Swiss border with Les Crossets.
The skiing near Plaine Dranse in Chatel is mostly North Facing so has the best snow in Chatel Sector.
https://en.chatel.com/the-ski-maps.html
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| kitenski wrote: |
| @Ozboy, that's great thanks!! Can you get to Avoriaz from Chatel with the current conditions? |
This is unlikely to close as it’s a key route, with good snow making, and all above 1600m once you take the Pierre Longue lift from PLJ car park. We were skiing down to gbe carpark at 1200m on the weekend.
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Presumably skiing up high won't really be impacted?
