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A record temperature was recorded a few days ago near the summit of Mont Blanc at Col Major (altitude 4750m asl). On 18th June the temperature reached 10.4°C, 3.6°C warmer than the previous record of 6.8°C in June 2019. Report (in French): https://www.ledauphine.com/environnement/2022/06/19/mont-blanc-record-de-temperature-au-sommet
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Sad Mont Blanc keeps breaking records. During the year of the great "canicule" the mountain was closed. Nothing but the glinting glaciers up there. Grim.
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It is all that unemployed loafer James wossisface's fault, whenever he goes up to les Deux Alps to ski some disaster happens. Today we've got both a canicule and Madame Le Pen invited to tea at the Elysee palace by Pres. Macron as she's the official leader of the opposition in Parliament.
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davidof wrote:
It is all that unemployed loafer James wossisface's fault, whenever he goes up to les Deux Alps to ski some disaster happens. Today we've got both a canicule and Madame Le Pen invited to tea at the Elysee palace by Pres. Macron as she's the official leader of the opposition in Parliament.


I KNOW!!!

The glacier here was also shut today for high winds, tomorrow too. It is a real mess, with huge holes gushing water on the bottom t-bar. Never seen it like that, you need to be careful not to lose a ski on the way up…
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Was speaking to my young French neighbour, she was explaining how she was meant to be going to Chamonix for mountaineering but it's a write-off this week with the isotherm well above 4,800.

Did think she said she was going anyway but her van is still in the parking.

That said the stupidly hot temps we've had the last ten or so days are disappearing along with the sun, and tomorrow it's meant to rain all day, of course, nothing to do with the big rectangular sail awning I've just installed Laughing
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Was speaking to my young French neighbour, she was explaining how she was meant to be going to Chamonix for mountaineering but it's a write-off this week with the isotherm well above 4,800.

Did think she said she was going anyway but her van is still in the parking.

That said the stupidly hot temps we've had the last ten or so days are disappearing along with the sun, and tomorrow it's meant to rain all day, of course, nothing to do with the big rectangular sail awning I've just installed Laughing


I’d like as many people as possible to buy barbecues, fill pools, plan cycling trips etc. I’m dealing with some pretty bad Juju here snowHead
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JamesHJ wrote:


The glacier here was also shut today for high winds, tomorrow too. It is a real mess, with huge holes gushing water on the bottom t-bar. Never seen it like that, you need to be careful not to lose a ski on the way up…


bloomin' 'ell, poor you, it looks really bad on the webcam.

https://www.les2alpes.com/hiver/live/webcams/

Tignes looks worse though.
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davidof wrote:
It is all that unemployed loafer James wossisface's fault, whenever he goes up to les Deux Alps to ski some disaster happens.


For my benefit could you explain who James wossisface is? Puzzled

Edit: unless it's JamesHJ? Smile


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Alastair Pink wrote:
davidof wrote:
It is all that unemployed loafer James wossisface's fault, whenever he goes up to les Deux Alps to ski some disaster happens.


For my benefit could you explain who James wossisface is? Puzzled


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@JamesHJ, sounds like my edited comment was correct! Laughing
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It has just about reached 22c here in North Yorkshire. Warmest day of the year so far tomorrow with a possible 24c. Just about warm enough here for shorts. May even get to open the window Laughing

10c on the summit of MB is seriously warm. Not that many days when it gets that warm on Ben Nevis
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@JamesHJ, sounds like my edited comment was correct! Laughing


Yes. Our resident researcher, currently on a well deserved break at LdA. He mentioned that he's cursed as everytime he goes there something awful happens.

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Still Tignes looks worse and they only opened the glacier last Saturday

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Pretty shocking, I had my last trip of the year in Tignes at the start of the April and experienced by best powder conditions of the 4 trips I did this season.

It shows how transient conditions will be if there isn't a good depth of snow on the glacier and we get warm conditions mid-season like we had mid-march this year when the Saharan sand hit. A good week of deep powder in April is no recovery for the glacier.

This makes me so so sad... Sad
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I assume Tignes glacier is closed for skiing now?
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NoMapNoCompass wrote:
Pretty shocking, I had my last trip of the year in Tignes at the start of the April and experienced by best powder conditions of the 4 trips I did this season.

It shows how transient conditions will be if there isn't a good depth of snow on the glacier and we get warm conditions mid-season like we had mid-march this year when the Saharan sand hit. A good week of deep powder in April is no recovery for the glacier.

This makes me so so sad... Sad


May and June have been roasting this year. All the glaciers will be suffering. Gardens are already brown, lakes are low, I don’t recall a late Spring/early Summer like it
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davidof wrote:
I assume Tignes glacier is closed for skiing now?

Not for XC from an article yesterday, still doesn't look good though.
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This morning on the glacier

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Definitely not good news. We have snow reports from Tignes and Les 2 Alpes in Episode 96 of The Ski Podcast (about 14 mins in)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0kADu9ebiLfhcHPKLD3fM4
https://audioboom.com/posts/8106718-96-royals-on-the-snow-chamonix-neil-english-pre-loved-skiwear

Neither of them particularly encouraging!
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BobinCH wrote:


May and June have been roasting this year. All the glaciers will be suffering. Gardens are already brown, lakes are low, I don’t recall a late Spring/early Summer like it


Glad I booked my L2 qualification course on a glacier in August then Laughing Laughing
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swskier wrote:
BobinCH wrote:


May and June have been roasting this year. All the glaciers will be suffering. Gardens are already brown, lakes are low, I don’t recall a late Spring/early Summer like it


Glad I booked my L2 qualification course on a glacier in August then Laughing Laughing


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@JamesHJ, looking that way!
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Just spoken to one of the cross country team members who is at Tignes - the downhill pistes were open and in use this morning. - In fact (I didn't have my glasses earlier) you can see the drag lift is in use in the foreground.
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davidof wrote:
Alastair Pink wrote:
@JamesHJ, sounds like my edited comment was correct! Laughing


Yes. Our resident researcher, currently on a well deserved break at LdA. He mentioned that he's cursed as everytime he goes there something awful happens.

Screenshot-from-2022-06-22-11-28-59

Still Tignes looks worse and they only opened the glacier last Saturday

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Both look better than the Val D"Isere glacier.
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Meanwhile in the last few days several Middle Eastern countries have experienced temperatures in excess of 50°C, with one location in Iran recording 52.2°C. Shocked
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Meanwhile on the Ski Podcast Alex Winter says the conditions on the Tignes Glacier are nothing to do with global warming, just a bad year... Confused

The reality is that the conditions we have seen in France over the winter (not a lot of snow) and very warm in May and June are short term weather related. But climate change is not just long terms trend in climate, it has also contributed to increasingly abnormal and erratic weather, something that is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on.
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NoMapNoCompass wrote:
Meanwhile on the Ski Podcast Alex Winter says the conditions on the Tignes Glacier are nothing to do with global warming, just a bad year... Confused

The reality is that the conditions we have seen in France over the winter (not a lot of snow) and very warm in May and June are short term weather related. But climate change is not just long terms trend in climate, it has also contributed to increasingly abnormal and erratic weather, something that is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on.


Just out of curiosity, what is the statistical evidence for the last point? There must be a good graph somewhere for such an oft-made statement.

I remember my parents moaning about how the last 15 years in their part of the UK was so much wetter. Fortunately they lived about 5 K from a weather station which had data going back 50+ years. Absolutely no evidence of any variation in rain fall over the entire period...
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This is a pretty good graph, empirical evidence.



https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24332483-600-special-report-how-climate-change-is-melting-frances-largest-glacier/

I have a special term for climate change deniers who are also winter sports enthusiasts - idiots
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@NoMapNoCompass, By 1988 it was already dramaically reduced from when I was mountaineering there in the very early 1980s.
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Surely it’s time “summer skiing” was a thing of the past to help reduce snow loss? People skiing in the mountain in summer, with high temperatures cutting up the glacier will only accelerate the melting.

Resorts should just close at the end of the ski season (April) and not reopen again until late November.
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Ricklovesthepowder wrote:
Surely it’s time “summer skiing” was a thing of the past to help reduce snow loss? People skiing in the mountain in summer, with high temperatures cutting up the glacier will only accelerate the melting.

Resorts should just close at the end of the ski season (April) and not reopen again until late November.


I don’t know, I’m taking part in local tourism (I got the bus to come to L2A to ski this week). I don’t suppose my ski training is particularly damaging in the grand scheme of things.

I’d prefer to ban organised ski holidays from non alpine countries, where people travel long distances by car or plane personally Toofy Grin
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NoMapNoCompass wrote:
This is a pretty good graph, empirical evidence.



https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24332483-600-special-report-how-climate-change-is-melting-frances-largest-glacier/

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As any fule kno, things like glacier size are on a clear trend. My question was about statistical evidence for increased fluctuations in weather.
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@JamesHJ, you make a valid point. We complain about global warming but emit huge amounts to go skiing some of us multiple times a year. We make excuses as to why that's ok along with many other things we do.
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Val Thorens closed their summer ski-ing some years back. When I first went there, mid- 80s, they had 2 glaciers open every summer, as well as from Oct half-term onwards.

Also remember chatting to M Mortier, some years back, the old boy who owned the Hotel La Courronne in Argentiere. As a boy, he remembered the glacier coming right down to just above the village and showed my an old photo to prove it. It now finishes way up the mountain... Triste, hein?
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Most thundery month, since record began. Not sure if that proves anything??!

https://www.bfmtv.com/meteo/orages-le-mois-de-juin-2022-est-le-mois-de-juin-le-plus-foudroye-depuis-le-debut-des-releves_AN-202206240045.html?fbclid=IwAR1bed_ZBPIwk63-5cFW6kaLucallmF_2NfRh3sC0b9BI3EbE2rOdltLKNs
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Our work team building day to the glacier of Les Deux Alpes has been cancelled... every cloud and all that.
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@davidof, Laughing Laughing
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the weather is very stormy today but people are still up on the glacier !
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Our work team building day to the glacier of Les Deux Alpes has been cancelled... every cloud and all that.


In my experience the best team building exercise is a few drinks in a pub with your team mates after work! Madeye-Smiley
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L2A webcam currently showing falling snow. Now if it could carry on until mid-July when I arrive that would be fantastic, rain and snow would also keep people from ruining the MTB trails Laughing
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I've just made this animation for the Tignes glacier from 2011 to 2022 on 24 June

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