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Inexpensive mountaineering ski // n+1 issue

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Hi! I am contemplating getting a dedicated "mountaineering" AT ski. For "fitness laps", headlamps night tours up resort runs, days out with workmates on random snow, and ideally high, far and steep spring tours.
all these uses combined may total to maybe 5-10 days per winter, hence the "inexpensive" tag.

Me: 187cm (almost 6'2), 75-78kg, I dare to say expert skier at 50 days/winter, living in the alps.

Current Quiver:
2019 QST 106 (181): Good Floater, compliant, covers most soft snow inbounds and some short tours. Has lost quite some stiffness under heavy resort riding.
2022 BC Serpo 180: In bounds hard snow carver, what a ski!
2022 BC Camox Freebird 183 w/Alpinists: Reasonable weight all around stable AT ski that can handly variable snow and some resort. Feels long and stable to me.

So a new AT ski would have to be:
-stupid easy in kick turns (<180cm)
-very secure uphill on hard traverses
-stable enough for riding with a hut to hut pack
-floaty enough so overnight snow won't ruin the day
-dependable, but not asking for the stiffest of boots
-light-ish, thinking <1300g actual
-waist 80-95?

And preferably on the inexpensive side of things. As in, maybe not a Skitrab or DPS or other boutique skis, given possible use on shallow snowpack and rocky spring descents. Let alone justification issues. As you can tell from my quiver, I have sunk some cash recvently. I'd rather go 100g heavier than pay a lot more. The closer to 90/95mm, the more likely I can use my existing split skins.

The Camox FBs come in at 1950g/leg with bindings, so 1600g for the set per side would make sense to make a difference?

Would buy used, too, so even discontinued suggestions could help.

Thanks for your input!
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Can’t see what’s wrong with your Camox FBs for that use case.

Fwiw I’m 188cm/ 79kg, and have a similar set of skis. I’d definitely not be spending money on another set for that use as for me the camox fbs would be ideal. If you don’t think the Alpinists are ideal bindings why not quiver killer something else on for this use?
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oh well, the alpinists are just fine and I particulary like them for their low delta.

the freebirds, given chord length (182) and forward-ish mount point have some tail. kick turns are okay, not great. I have short-ish legs. Then again, I may just have been on undersized AT skis for a long time.

177 Dynafit beats felt a bit toy-ish and unsubstantial offpiste and in difficult snow, hence the switch to more ski (camox fb).

I'll do some more tours in the residual snowpack the next few days and then make up my mind Happy
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Volkl VTA discontinued
Volkl Rise high - 180 ; 88 width , 1160g
Blizzard 0g 88 or 95 178 about 1250g
Fischer Hannibal 96 about 1300 g in 184

None of these are especially trendy or boutique.

Quiver Killer the alpinists and then you can go brakeless whenever you like . Goes from 335 to 235 g .

At your height you should be able to kick turn a longer ski - I’m 6’1 (186) and 184/186 isn’t really a big problem. Do some stretching! Bear in mind thinner is also easier (less plush friction, sidehilling easier etc .)

Then start saving for the Tecnica zero g peak.
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danbre2022 wrote:
oh well, the alpinists are just fine and I particulary like them for their low delta.


What's "low delta" mean on a ski? Puzzled
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Low delta means low difference of height above ski (of heel versus toe of boot)
Ski Binding vary greatly in how much they lift your heels. Variation is bigger in AT than alpine Bindings. I shim most Binding toes to make up for that.

This affects balance, stance, everything.

Low delta in the alpinist means your stance in them is pretty much as if you stood on a flat surface, whereas in Dynafit Radicals you'd have a ~15mm heel lift.

The same happens inside each boot, as even the surface you stand on in the boot is sloping. That's ramp.

My theory is that delta and ramp interact with mount point considerations. I tend to feel "too far forward" on a ski when delta is excessive.
High Delta can also make your boots feel too soft.
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For all round performance/value for money in this category I don't think you can beat the Scott Speedguide 89 at 1270g in their longest 176cm length.
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spyderjon wrote:
For all round performance/value for money in this category I don't think you can beat the Scott Speedguide 89 at 1270g in their longest 176cm length.


^^^ hard to argue with this. I squeezed into the missus’ 170cm SpeedGuide 80’s / Crest 10’s supplied by @Spyderjon and was impressed!

I’m also sensitive to delta angles but don’t seem to have the issue with ATK bindings?
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@Inboard,

what boots do ski your Camx FBs with?
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