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Sadly my quiver is short of a ski I would find ideal for piste work and in particular skiing moguls so am looking to fill this gap 
What I need is something that is ok with fresh snow upto boot height, quick from edge to edge, good edgehold on hardpack, yet soft enough for icy moguls. All the advantages of a ski that's torsionally very rigid but not overly stiff longitudily I guess.
I'm thinking that something like a Volkl 5 Star would be ideal but could do with some help to point me in the right direction.
If you guys would be kind enough to help me with some input would be very grateful.
Thanks,
RR
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Atomic Metron M9 or Metron M11 
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spyderjon, I tried the M11's last season but those big shovels upfront get in the way when going for a very tight stance and they are too stiff longitudily for smacking the back of bumps  The M9's are sadly too short as they're only 154cm long. They'd be ok doing the bumps in the snowdome but on the hill theyre not enough ski.
I'm reckoning that a ski that's around 170cm long would be ideal.
I remember you had a pair of 5 Stars a while back - how did you find them in the bumps?
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rockyrobin, Never skied them in the bumps - & I'm the last person to ask about bump skiing anyway. The 5*'s are a great ski however & I've seen Warren zipperline the bumps on his so they can't be bad. I've also seen srobbo ski a mean bump on his & he's a similar build & ability level to you. Sport Conrad were selling 5*'s cheap a month or two ago & EB's at Castleford are selling off some ex demo 5*'s.
Of course the pro mogul skiers are still on soft straight skis 
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Head iXRC 1400
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spyderjon, Cheers m8. I'll have a sniff round EB's next time i'm over there and see what deals they're doing on them compared to Conrads.
I was looking at some of those mogul skis, but what makes me wary of them is surely they'd be absolutely awful travelling from one area to another on-piste? I guess i'm looking for an all mountain ski (not off-piste) that has a large turn radius but narrowish waist with the combo of torsional rigidity without being overly stiff longitudily.
If any bump skiers read this thread would be very interested to know what you slide on.
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comprex,
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| I demoed the 1400 Chip in a 163cm and they seemed built for speed and long turns. They felt stiff, heavy (with lots of swing weight) and would probably be next to impossible in the bumps. |
Sounds like I would struggle on them
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rockyrobin, fair enough, I skied the 06/07 1400 Chip (black with red trim, V8!) in 163cm at 95kg with a very big grin, but it sounds like you want a bigger toy for bigger bumps.
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comprex, I was just a bit wary of what people were saying about them on the net. I'm guessing my weight being 65kg would make them really hard work for me unless I went really short.
I have an old pair of 04/05 B2's and have just had the bindings remounted without the risers but they've had a whole season of sliding so are on their last legs. When I replace them I guess a ski similar to the 04/05 B2 (softer than the 05/06) but slightly narrower with more tortional rigidity and a wood core would be ideal.
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The 06/07 iXRC1400 is an awesome ski, no doubt, but I wouldn't recommend it for an aspiring/learning bump skier.
(The 05/06 iXRC is more of an all rounder, it's quite OK in the bumps, but you still need to have your wits about you).
It is an expert ski, in the bumps you need to be able to stay on top of them, and be able to manage pressure very well, and the tails will squirt you out at every opportunity.
It's a great ski if you are able to use these characteristics and harness the (good) energy.
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veeeight, Sounds like the tails are quite stiff on the iXRC1400 which woud not be so good for doing bumps I guess.
I was reading that the Volkl Karma has had the titanal top sheet removed for this coming years ski and also has a softer tip. Has me wondering if this may be a good compromise ski in the bumps.
I will quite happily ski my Gotamas in all conditions, but moguls they are too much due to their width. I guess I want a ski similar to the Goatys in softness with the same tortional rigidity but slimmer in the waist, tip and tail.
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Nordica Hot Rod Modified? 74mm underfoot. *Very* nice skis in the bumps. Or the Top Fuels if you want it a bit wider. Or the Jet Fuels if you want it wider still.
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You know it makes sense.
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veeeight, Cheers for the recommendations. Looks like i'll have to compile a demo list for the August XScape demo day. Just hope they have the bumps up that day 
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The 5*'s are a great ski however & I've seen Warren zipperline the bumps on his so they can't be bad. I've also seen srobbo ski a mean bump on his & he's a similar build & ability level to you.
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Thanks Spyderjon
rockyrobin, I did find the 5* a real handful at first in moguls, but have now got used to the 'stiffness' and really enjoy the bumps. I ski the 168, and think you would be similarly suited to them.
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Poster: A snowHead
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srobbo, Thanks for the feedback, appreciated. Guess I now have an excuse to go over to Cas to test a pair
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rockyrobin, just out of curiosity - what technique are you using in bumps? I find that while some skis are better than others (165cm slalom better than 178cm B4s for example) that technique has a lot more to do with it than kit (as usual).
The sidecut of the 5*s isn't wildly different to my current Rossi 9Xs which I think are excellent all rounders.
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David Murdoch, I'm trying to ski with my skis as flat as possible without edging too much, braquaging my way through, hitting the backs of the moguls and trying to point my tips down the fronts. I also try to retract and extend to keep in touch with the snow and maintain a quiet as possible upper body.
My B2's should be ideal for this, though a tad too long in the bumps, and as a piste tool they are lacking compared to other all rounder skis so I won't be getting another pair when they expire. I don't feel the need for a mid 70's underfoot ski anyway for any snow depths up to boot height hence looking at a more piste orientated replacement. The ST11's in a 170 I could live with in the bumps but don't want another pair of Atomics as I would prefer a wood core and vertical sidewalls.
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I tried some bumps on some Head Monsters this year, that was interesting. 
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spyderjon, I just had to epoxy up the sidewall on my M11's the other night so am not so happy with Atomic at the moment I'm sure i'll get over it in time.
David Murdoch, Yeah I know where your coming from and your right. I used to focus on my gear far too much inthe past when lessons were the answer. Now i'm over that bad habit just want a good day to day ski that will give me a fighting chance of getting really good in the bumps.
I would really like to do zipperline all the time, but for now its only an occasional affair reverting back to braquaging my way around the bumps when i get out of my comfort zone.
Kramer, I've tried a friends pair of 04/05 Monster 74/77's (black/grey/yellow) and was surprised how turny they were. Seemed a half decent ski but they don't seem to tolerate servicing neglect very well considering how they were behaving when I had a go.
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rockyrobin,
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Guess I now have an excuse to go over to Cas to test a pair
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Do you 'really' need an excuse !
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rockyrobin, I suggest you don't get anything too stiff in the tip - a park ski should do the job pretty well. A bit wider fore the off piste stuff and soft in the tip to avoid any nasty wallops from the bumps. Couldn't advise which - I can only tell you that the Fischer WC SC is too stiff to be fun (although it does turn very quick), and ditto my Zag Le Rouge. Lots of rebound but lots of nasty spinal shocks too. 
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I'm no bumps demon, but to second what easiski says I find my 1080s work surprisingly well in bumps...
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rockyrobin, I found the Karma's a little wide to be ideal for (me) in bumps. Although they were perfectly fine down "High Rustler" in Alta. Not a particularly rewarding ski though IMHO.
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gregh, I've skied some 1080's before but found they were'nt torsionally stiff enough sadly. I guess finding a torsionally stiff ski with a soft tip is not going to be that easy, and maybe not possible
David Murdoch, I'm curious when you say they're not rewarding - Do you mean they feel like too much hard work compared to other skis in the same situation? If you could offer me a comparison to another ski that was rewarding in the same situation would be grateful as may give me an idea what the Karma is like.
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Poster: A snowHead
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veeeight, I was looking at the Mojo 80's earlier. Am curious about the Mojo's - do they have a stiffer tip/tail than the Karmas?
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Don't know about the 80's, I have the 90's. In terms of tip/tail stiffness between the Karma's & 90's, the Karmas are slightly stiffer than the 90's, but the 90's flex pattern is more progressive, compared with the Karma, which feels a little "on" "off" in comparison (but nothing like the Public Enemy). I prefer the 90's as I can work the ski delicately, modulating the pressure progressively on and off.
You need to try them (and indeed any ski you're interested in) to see if it suits you!
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veeeight, Thanks for that, appreciated. I'm not bothered if I don't take to the skis right away as I find I usually take a little time to change technique to accomodate new skis anyway. Only thing that does worry me is whether they are torsionally stiff or not. If they behave at all like my B2's they woud be no use to me.
The last pair of skis I bought I never demoed, just relying on a shouting match across a road with my instructor. Couple of sentences traded and job was sorted. If I had demoed them I probably would'nt have bought them. Few weeks of getting used to them and changing my technique and I was like a pig in muck.
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With both the Karma's and the Mojo90's I am able to get some performance edging out of them.
Obviously not to the same degree as a WC SL ski though!
But as I've said above, if you're not bothered about having twip tips, you should try the Nordica Hot Rod Modified. Great torsional stiffness, and the tails are nice and forgiving in the bumps.
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rockyrobin, I've never skied the Karma, so can't help you. On demo in Val T I really liked the Ninthward park ski (which was long for me), but I didn't get to try them in big bumps - they seemed quick edge to edge, and liked to turn though. However some of the guys (bigger and heavier than me obviously) found them very squishy. they were around 179 Well longer than I usually ski.
If my back would allow me to ski bumps properly nowadays, I'd probably go for a de-tuned slalom ski though. Quick and not so stiff as the real thing. Head Thang range perhaps. However I never look at how the ski is made - just try them and buy what I like!! (Wood core of course!)
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rockyrobin, first up, (and I do appreciate that veeeight, seems to know what he(?)'s talking about but I can't buy into all this stiffness nonsense (IMHO). Second, you have to appreciate that the very best skis I ever owned or used were 201cm Rossi 7SKs, the ones that were the first nominally RD skis that they released (to the best of my knowledge). I never tried Volkl P9s of the same vintage but suspect they'd have been at least as good.
The Karma's that I used had quite a wide waist, making them very easy (do we really want easy?) in powder but a little lagging edge to edge.
I ski bumps with a fairly trad ESF avalement technique (I hope) and so a narrow waist and really gripy edges are my thing. My 9Xs are my fave all round skis as of today but I reckon that a good slalom (or slalom carver) might be what you're looking for.
By demanding, I like a ski that expects me to keep it quiet by the scruff of the neck but rewards me by being a real animal of dynamism when I let go. A bit like Sophie really...
(Sorry, I have to leave that in unless the mods don't like it. I'm in the lounge (again) awaiting a GVA flight (again) and have had a few verres de v blanc (again)...
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If it genuinely a ski for the bad days rather than an all-rounderish why not try a specialist mogul ski - I tried an Atomic a few years back & it was a hoot. Pretty good short radius on piste too.
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| ....By demanding, I like a ski that expects me to keep it quiet by the scruff of the neck but rewards me by being a real animal of dynamism when I let go. A bit like Sophie really..... |
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| Ha ha, I've been off Snowheads for a while and smile to return and find such a completely Rockyrobin thread!! |
Good to see you back beanie1. Ya right, nothing's changed .
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beanie1, Are you coming to the Lions on Mon 3rd?. There's a few of us going.
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