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Vail Resorts ends use of paper trail maps

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This happened in November but I missed it. VR hasn't printed any maps for a while due to covid, and they've decided to end it entirely and have us use their app. Trend or one-off? We'll see.

I dig trail maps, so add another to the growing list of things I don't like about Vail Resorts.
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Hope that's not a general trend. Apps are all well and good until you forget your phone or it runs out of charge. Puzzled
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Seems like a no brainer for resorts. Saves money, can be promoted as a green initiative, and they can sell piste map goggle wipes.

I personally do like a trail map, so a little disappointed to see them go, make for a nice souvenir. That said they get wet and soggy and flap about in the wind, a phone is much better (battery issues withstanding).

I wish all resorts put a trail map on the chairlift bar and in gondolas.
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boarder2020 wrote:
... I wish all resorts put a trail map on the chairlift bar and in gondolas.
Which VR do. So it's not an issue for most of us.
You do, of course, have to put the bar down to see them wink
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I’ve a treasure trove of paper piste maps, gathered on our travels.

I hope they remain, elsewhere.
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I like the boonmaps trail map I just downloaded for Red mountain - makes way more sense to me than the paper one due to the 360° nature of the skiing there - unless you chop up the paper one and roll it into various cones Madeye-Smiley
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I go boarding with a couple of people who are essentially human piste maps so I don't tend to get one and I'm happy to follow them.

On the occasion I want to look at a map I use the Bergfex app on my phone or one of those big ones at the top of lifts.
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 After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
philwig, Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Agreed Madeye-Smiley

Have a stash at home from all trips, SWMBO likes em to use for scrapbooks etc. Not really looked at one on the slopes for years.
WE genereally just check any map boards around the area, and ski Madeye-Smiley
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Scooter in Seattle wrote:
This happened in November but I missed it. VR hasn't printed any maps for a while due to covid, and they've decided to end it entirely and have us use their app. Trend or one-off? We'll see.

I dig trail maps, so add another to the growing list of things I don't like about Vail Resorts.


I second that. And aside from Whistler and Kirkwood their hills are lame compared to most Ikon hills.
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Awful decision IMO. It's impossible to look at an entire piste map (to gain an overview of a resort) in any detail on a phone Sad rolling eyes
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Yes phones make terrible maps outdoors. Difficult to read and no context. Also a good chance of dropping them.
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Bergmeister wrote:
Awful decision IMO. It's impossible to look at an entire piste map (to gain an overview of a resort) in any detail on a phone Sad rolling eyes


Possibly so for tourists, but the majority of skiers at VR are locals - admittedly some will travel to other ski areas covered by the Epic pass. So they will have to find their way around.

The cost saving for all the trail maps, many unused must be great, and coincides with the retirement of James Neuhaus Madeye-Smiley
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Which would you rather fumble & drop whilst on a chairlift - a free paper map or your phone? And which is easier to replace whilst in resort? And on the Green front, which is the more biodegradable when the snow melts?
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
The best trail maps are the ones mounted on safety bars
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 Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
philwig wrote:
boarder2020 wrote:
... I wish all resorts put a trail map on the chairlift bar and in gondolas.
Which VR do. So it's not an issue for most of us.
You do, of course, have to put the bar down to see them wink

But when you sat at the end of a 6 pack, you can only see the edge of the map. That's a quarter of the mountain!
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boarder2020 wrote:
Seems like a no brainer for resorts. Saves money, can be promoted as a green initiative, and they can sell piste map goggle wipes.

VR did a few other "green" changes too. Such as not making snow pre-Christmas (or actually, not making snow at all regardless in many smaller local resorts they own)
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abc wrote:
boarder2020 wrote:
Seems like a no brainer for resorts. Saves money, can be promoted as a green initiative, and they can sell piste map goggle wipes.

VR did a few other "green" changes too. Such as not making snow pre-Christmas (or actually, not making snow at all regardless in many smaller local resorts they own)


Yeah and not generating carbon emissions by running lifts or groomers or enough buses from the parking lots...
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Possibly so for tourists, but the majority of skiers at VR are locals
Sod the tourists then! rolling eyes
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Bansko also stopped paper maps for what it is worth.
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 Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Discovered at New Year that the Crystal Ski app* has a nice feature - it has the piste maps of all the resorts they go to, which is pretty standard, but it also shows your location with a dot when in resort, on whatever lift or piste you are on, which I found remarkable given how fast and loose most piste maps play with the actual geography. Helpful should you find yourself temporarily geographically embarrassed.

*You don't have to be travelling with them to use it
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