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| rob@rar wrote: |
@Arctic Roll, I’m looking at the Electroverse app now, and it’s quoting 78p for Ionity and for InstaVolt which was the other high speed charger nearby.
I’ve learned to take the 8% discount via Electroverse with a pinch of salt. The Shell ReCharge charger near me in Arc 1800 is cheaper via my Shell account than it is via my Electroverse account, despite Electroverse claiming they offer the discount on Shell charging. Just one of the pitfalls when you step outside the Tesla ecosystem. |
Interesting - it certainly seemed to pay off when using Ionity in France when looking at prices on the stands, and charge on the account- but absolutely agree even with that, it ain't close to Tesla prices. And so, the Tesla network is always our first choice.
Albeit witching from a Sterling account to a Euro account card in Electroverse is straightforward - both cards stored in the app, you just switch "default" when sitting on the Eurotunnel. But for the Tesla app, it only allows me to have one card listed, So I need to re-enter all the details each time - maybe its because I'm not a Tesla owner, just a user of the app?
I mean yes, #1stWorldProblem, but surely something they would be a benefit for all: if not for currency changes, certainly business / private card use?
re: A/C charging - 7kW at home is surely enough - and they installed ours with a 60A feed (although we did get it changed to 100A - FoC - in case we get a second EV and need to charge them simultaneously from 2 points)
Although that 'may' not be necessary:
We've been taking part in trials with Ohme whereby you effectively charge every day. You drop from say 70% to 55% on your daily commute, and they charge back up, every night. Plug in 3 - 5 timeS a week, and they give you cash back for "balancing the grid" . It was a two month trial, and we got quite a few Amazon vouchers!
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The original advice, I thought. was not to stress your battery through excessive 'cycles', which would be a count of 1 whether charging from 55 - 70 or 20 - 90.
So we behaved in the same way as an ICE owner - filling the car to 90% (as now recommended by Volvo) and then not re-doing until it reached 20%.
But am reading articles now that say this is no longer the way to do it - keeping your EV 'fully' charged at all times is the way to go - and a clear differentiator to the ICE method. Certainly Ohme weren't bothered by advising you to cycle the battery 3, 4 5 times a week.
So my question to the long term owners on here: are you seeing a drop off in battery performance that could be attributable to multiple cycles - one that would impact the re-sale value? Or are we still in the learning phase?
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@Arctic Roll, A cycle is 0-100%, so 40-90% is half a cycle.
All the anecdotal evidence - of which there is an increasing amount - is that the batteries are much more resilient that expected, and the only thing they don't like is being left with 100% charge for long. Rapid charging or charging to 100% doesn't appear to affect the SOH much.
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Ideal battery charging behaviour also depends upon the battery chemistry AIUI. So my Model Y (LR) will be different from my friends Model Y (not).
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I have on rare occassions to maximise cross continent stints or to stretch to get home without another stop, rapid charged to 90% (ioniq 5 keeps decent rate of charge up) and don't anticipate any major issues as you say.
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Appreciate this thread has been going a while and there is a lot of debate about EVs in general but I’m looking for some specific advice back on the original topic…
I’m just about to get an EV (not Tesla) and curious what people would recommend I have in terms of apps and RFID cards to minimise the pain. The car is an Audi so I think comes with a card that gets me access to some networks but should I have other accounts to use the chargers at both the services and possibly in La Plagne (where we are heading)?
I will download the Tesla app for the ones we can use but I am reading comments on BP and Shell etc.
Will also get the Octopus Elctroverse app.
Thanks all.
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Having the Tesla & Electroverse app is a great starter as they are adding more and more to their app. Hopefully over time they will start to converge on 1 or 2 apps. The good news is that many of them now will just work with contactless so the apps are less important than they used to be. France also has many more chargers now, so many of the stops have them in addition to the ones just slightly off the main roads.
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I would download everything in advance, and register, as and when you have a few minutes to spare. Last thing you want is to be at a charger in the dark and rain trying to download an App (with weak phone signal) type in card details, etc.., for the sake of already having them unobtrusly on your phone.
I have - Zapmap, Plugshare, Wattsup, ABRP, Electroverse, Ionity, Podpoint, Source London, Genie, BP Pulse, Fuuse, Tesla, Fastned, Instavolt, Shell Recharge, Gridserve, and MyBMW (I have BMW and you can start charges through there - Audi may do something similar).
I have the Electroverse and BMW RFID cards - useful for sites like Ionity with no contactless.
I don't travel to Europe with the car, so can't say what people recommend for there. For Scotland people seem to recommend Charge Place Scotland App / RFID card.
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The main one I use (especially abroad) is ChargeMap; both the App and the RFID card. I've also got the Tesla app to use the Tesla chargers. In five trips to Austria, and one around Brittany, I think I've used the ChargeMap RFID for all charging other than Tesla, apart from one hotel in Calais where I needed to download a specific app
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Yeh I paid for and used chargemap rfid card when I first went 3 years ago - pretty sure neither Zap Map or Electroverse showed or worked with Euro chargers at the time - think that is why.
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| stuartrose wrote: |
I would download everything in advance, and register, as and when you have a few minutes to spare. Last thing you want is to be at a charger in the dark and rain trying to download an App (with weak phone signal) type in card details, etc.., for the sake of already having them unobtrusly on your phone.
I have - Zapmap, Plugshare, Wattsup, ABRP, Electroverse, Ionity, Podpoint, Source London, Genie, BP Pulse, Fuuse, Tesla, Fastned, Instavolt, Shell Recharge, Gridserve, and MyBMW (I have BMW and you can start charges through there - Audi may do something similar).
I have the Electroverse and BMW RFID cards - useful for sites like Ionity with no contactless.
I don't travel to Europe with the car, so can't say what people recommend for there. For Scotland people seem to recommend Charge Place Scotland App / RFID card. |
This post should be used as an example why the various charging companies need to get their poo-poo together and start behaving like garages more (I know they are with contactless etc). Having 20ish apps to be able to fill your car up with fuel is utterly mental (I'd be the same FWIW if I had an EV, particularly a non-Tesla one).
If we want to reduce friction in people adopting EVs, just something where you can get in your car, pull up wherever you want to charge, know how much it is to charge it and crack on seems like the bare minimum. Does no one any favours (apart from maybe Elon Musk) to have something that fragmented. If you had a petrol BMW, you'd maybe have the MyBMW app in your phone and that's it (and that wouldn't be for filling your car up with fuel).
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Hear hear.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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First time going to a ski resort in and EV. Been around france in the summer for 3 months with no issues. Its a Tesla so the nav sorts out Tesla charging if needed. In the village there are a few charging points albeit slow but its not an issue as I plug in and come back 4 or 5 hours later. The price of the local is about twice the price of Tesla but the nearest Tesla in 45 mins away.
For non Tesla charging I use the Electroverse map and RFID card plus a Freshmile RFID as it offers a few more places inc some local ones plus their own map.
All cards are linked to a french bank account so no issues of currency conversion
Its been seamless so far and the route down to Les Arcs has enough charging at the times we need it.
We've done longish drives in the UK in the cold and wet so have an idea on battery loss that we may get on our 8 hour drive to the resort
My 'unknown' is how the car battery will manage parked outside in the snow in sub zero temps
I go down the valley shopping every week or ten days, unless the roads are bad when it then could be two weeks, and intend to charge there
That seems to cover it for me but until I see -15c on the thermometer, I wont know the rate of charge loss
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Thanks for the tips on charging etc. good points on charging loss in the cold. Hopefully it’s ok.
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You know it makes sense.
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@ipken, top up with the charger 45 mins away before you arrive then monitor battery level on the phone app for 48h.
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| paulhinch wrote: |
| stuartrose wrote: |
I would download everything in advance, and register, as and when you have a few minutes to spare. Last thing you want is to be at a charger in the dark and rain trying to download an App (with weak phone signal) type in card details, etc.., for the sake of already having them unobtrusly on your phone.
I have - Zapmap, Plugshare, Wattsup, ABRP, Electroverse, Ionity, Podpoint, Source London, Genie, BP Pulse, Fuuse, Tesla, Fastned, Instavolt, Shell Recharge, Gridserve, and MyBMW (I have BMW and you can start charges through there - Audi may do something similar).
I have the Electroverse and BMW RFID cards - useful for sites like Ionity with no contactless.
I don't travel to Europe with the car, so can't say what people recommend for there. For Scotland people seem to recommend Charge Place Scotland App / RFID card. |
This post should be used as an example why the various charging companies need to get their poo-poo together and start behaving like garages more (I know they are with contactless etc). Having 20ish apps to be able to fill your car up with fuel is utterly mental (I'd be the same FWIW if I had an EV, particularly a non-Tesla one).
If we want to reduce friction in people adopting EVs, just something where you can get in your car, pull up wherever you want to charge, know how much it is to charge it and crack on seems like the bare minimum. Does no one any favours (apart from maybe Elon Musk) to have something that fragmented. If you had a petrol BMW, you'd maybe have the MyBMW app in your phone and that's it (and that wouldn't be for filling your car up with fuel). |
To be fair - it's not 20 apps to be able to fill your car. It's 20 apps to optimise the pricing - more like loyalty schemes (of which there are plenty in the ICE world as well - Esso, Shell, BP + supermarket ones etc.).
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Poster: A snowHead
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Has anyone taken their electric car to Ste Foy? I am wondering if I need to charge fully at somewhere nearby before arriving.
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@vera16, There are a couple of public chargers there, but that's all I know. Probably better of in Bourg though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| snowdave wrote: |
| paulhinch wrote: |
| stuartrose wrote: |
I would download everything in advance, and register, as and when you have a few minutes to spare. Last thing you want is to be at a charger in the dark and rain trying to download an App (with weak phone signal) type in card details, etc.., for the sake of already having them unobtrusly on your phone.
I have - Zapmap, Plugshare, Wattsup, ABRP, Electroverse, Ionity, Podpoint, Source London, Genie, BP Pulse, Fuuse, Tesla, Fastned, Instavolt, Shell Recharge, Gridserve, and MyBMW (I have BMW and you can start charges through there - Audi may do something similar).
I have the Electroverse and BMW RFID cards - useful for sites like Ionity with no contactless.
I don't travel to Europe with the car, so can't say what people recommend for there. For Scotland people seem to recommend Charge Place Scotland App / RFID card. |
This post should be used as an example why the various charging companies need to get their poo-poo together and start behaving like garages more (I know they are with contactless etc). Having 20ish apps to be able to fill your car up with fuel is utterly mental (I'd be the same FWIW if I had an EV, particularly a non-Tesla one).
If we want to reduce friction in people adopting EVs, just something where you can get in your car, pull up wherever you want to charge, know how much it is to charge it and crack on seems like the bare minimum. Does no one any favours (apart from maybe Elon Musk) to have something that fragmented. If you had a petrol BMW, you'd maybe have the MyBMW app in your phone and that's it (and that wouldn't be for filling your car up with fuel). |
To be fair - it's not 20 apps to be able to fill your car. It's 20 apps to optimise the pricing - more like loyalty schemes (of which there are plenty in the ICE world as well - Esso, Shell, BP + supermarket ones etc.). |
I don't know anyone with 20 different apps related to buying petrol.
It's just friction that the industry needs to sort out. Perception is a big problem.
We did a trip from the NW to Cornwall in the summer. Stopped at Gloucester & just passed Exeter. V planned stops for Breakfast, kids toilet & coffee break etc. We didn't need to fill up but having an EV would have added no time to our trip as the car would have just been filling up whilst we had breakfast. I was talking to someone at work about it and they called out how bad the Cornwall trip would have been in an EV. It would have been identical to petrol for us......OK, not if you're a guy who likes to do 6 hours without stopping but that isn't most people.
The industry needs to get better at managing that perception and fragmentation of refuelling is a big one. Throw in the fact that most people with EVs hardly ever refuel at a public charger and they're missing a trick on messaging.
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| Warnergb7 wrote: |
. The car is an Audi so I think comes with a card that gets me access to some networks but should I have other accounts to use the chargers at both the services and possibly in La Plagne (where we are heading)?
I will download the Tesla app for the ones we can use but I am reading comments on BP and Shell etc.
Will also get the Octopus Elctroverse app.
Thanks all. |
I have the Audi GT. I’ve gone from using multiple apps in the early days to just a handful
ABRP for planning route options before travel
Audi satnav for the actual journey (it prewarms the battery for faster charging
Tesla for charging at the handful of OPEN sites.
The Audi RFID card gives a good discount on Ionity which is all I use to/from the Alps. In the first year of ownership I took the Free subscription which also gave a discount on BP. Now I have to pay my own subscription charge I’ve dropped down a tier and only get the Ionity discount.
I looked at the different schemes (Electroverse, etc) and for my usage profile and the places I go, I found no financial benefit over the Audi card.
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Side issue but in clearing out some space on my iphone last night noticed to my surprise that the electroverse app is >500mb. Only Whatsapp etc with loads of personal data is bigger than that = bloatware
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| jamescollings wrote: |
I have the Audi GT. I’ve gone from using multiple apps in the early days to just a handful
ABRP for planning route options before travel
Audi satnav for the actual journey (it prewarms the battery for faster charging
Tesla for charging at the handful of OPEN sites.
The Audi RFID card gives a good discount on Ionity which is all I use to/from the Alps. In the first year of ownership I took the Free subscription which also gave a discount on BP. Now I have to pay my own subscription charge I’ve dropped down a tier and only get the Ionity discount. . |
How does it work in real life with an Audi using Tesla chargers? All locations show up on the app, or only those which accept Audi? Your car can use any “pump” or only two out of a bank of 8? Could an entire bank of SCs be used by non Teslas, or they limit access somehow? Curious, I saw other cars charging at SC locations in France but wondered how it was managed. Sometimes I’d get “12 chargers, 4 available, 2 cars en route” and wondered how the VWs and Kias fit in.
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@Orange200, some entire Tesla sites are open to non-Tesla brands, some remain exclusively Tesla-only. You can tell in the Tesla app (free to download for all people) which are open and which are exclusive. All of the charging stalls at the open sites are available to non-Teslas, and you initiate and pay for the charge via the app (although increasingly there are contactless payment terminals being added to the latest generation of Tesla charger).
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Many thanks Rob. I wasn’t aware the Tesla app worked for all, so that probably answers my final question on the accuracy of “2 cars en route” if they are navigating by the app.
Elon does as he pleases so I guess in the next year or two they will open to all and the cushion they provide against full charger sites at peak will disappear.
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| Orange200 wrote: |
Many thanks Rob. I wasn’t aware the Tesla app worked for all, so that probably answers my final question on the accuracy of “2 cars en route” if they are navigating by the app.
Elon does as he pleases so I guess in the next year or two they will open to all and the cushion they provide against full charger sites at peak will disappear. |
The 'cars en route' data might well be inaccurate for the open Tesla charging sites as even with the app Tesla doesn't know if non-Teslas are navigating to their Superchargers (you don't need to use the app's navigation function to route to the charger, only initiate the charging session when you get there). On the rare occasion I charge away from home I tend to take that info with a pinch of salt.
Tesla are continuing to open up more and more charging sites to non-Teslas, so the advantage they have over other brands for supercharging is getting smaller and smaller. Good for EV ownership although I'd guess not so good for Tesla itself, unless the extra revenue they make from selling (comparatively cheap) high speed charging makes up for any potential loss of sales as one of Tesla's USPs slowly disappears?
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@vera16 - We drove to Val D'Isere last year (just up from Ste Foy) we found that we recharged at the Tesla chargers in Alberville and we got there with 60% and then had plenty to drive well past it on the way out before needing to charge
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There is now a bank of Tesla chargers near the E LeClerc supermarket on the N90 at Aime open to all EV's if you have the Tesla app.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Rob_Quads wrote: |
| @vera16 - We drove to Val D'Isere last year (just up from Ste Foy) we found that we recharged at the Tesla chargers in Alberville and we got there with 60% and then had plenty to drive well past it on the way out before needing to charge |
Then driving out after a week you add another 10% battery from the regen going down the long hill 
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@Rob-Quads this is the info I needed thank you very much!
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@vera16 - We drove to Val D'Isere last year (just up from Ste Foy) we found that we recharged at the Tesla chargers in Alberville and we got there with 60% and then had plenty to drive well past it on the way out before needing to charge
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You know it makes sense.
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@Orange200, thanks for that. I guess until the car is sat for a few days in the very cold, its just a guess on how much it will drop.
The plan is to leave it for a few days at a time without waking it up to see how the drop is going. The worst is I have to go down the hill and charge up
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Quick question - arriving in Calais on Le Shuttle @ 6pm how far can I realistically drive before stopping for the night? I was hoping for Troyes but folks are telling me Reims is more realistic?
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@vera16, how long is a piece of string? I did Bristol to Verbier in one go, leaving Bristol around 3pm, got to Verbier about 6am. I was on my own, no sharing of driving.
(that wasn't in an electric car)
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@vera16, how long do you want to drive for ? St Quentin 2 hours, Reims 3 hours, Troyes 4 hours. We have done all at different times. Convenient Tesla Superchargers open to all along the route
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@vera16, how long is a piece of string? I did Bristol to Verbier in one go,
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not that long
I reckon I could drive until around 11:30pm comfortably. But concerned that hotel check-in at that time might be difficult. I probably want to pre-book the hotel as travelling with a child.
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@DJL 4 hours to Troyes sounds do-able.
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If you're doing one of the chain motel types, wouldn't worry about checkin. Most of them do 24 hour check in.
If you land at 6.....you'd get to Troyes by about 10 (Reims for 9)....beyond that, you've a decent stint down to Dijon as the next big stop.....
Don't know the specific hotels that'd be good in Troyes (we always stop at Dijon on the way back) but IBIS, B&B etc all tend to be much of a muchness and popular with people doing the exact same thing. We checked into an IBIS in Dijon about 11pm a few years back and there were 3 other couples all arriving at the same time.
Someone on here will know a decent hotel for your budget around there that's not far off the Autoroute and has 24 hour checkin.
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Hotel recommendations with late check-in and overnight chargers would be much appreciated!
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@DJL your recommendation looks ideal I have just booked it.
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| There is now a bank of Tesla chargers near the E LeClerc supermarket on the N90 at Aime open to all EV's if you have the Tesla app. |
Now that IS good to know! I usually charge in 1950 while 'in station' - they charge a flat fee of €20 for 4 hours of being plugged in - so the actual cost depends on your car AND the starting / ending SoC.
But at Aime, either on the way in or out there (could do the grocery run rather than waiting until Bourg...) might be predictable and more convenient.
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@ipken, We have left our Tesla parked up for a week down to -14 with no problem - didnt seem to be any great loss of power
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