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Just looking at course dates at Hemel and noticed that the L1 course is now 4 days rather than 5 , same price though as the 5 day course  .
looks like IASI L1 is still 6 days
Anyone have any knowledge of when the BASI course has been changed ? Im surprised as hadn't heard any announcements
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@skimottaret, the IASI manual says 6 days, but generally run over 5 days. Certainly my course last May/June was only 5 days.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Looks like they've added some mandatory online modules, which presumably cover what they've taken out (or are supposed to).
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@Tubaski, ah that could be it...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Is the BASI level 1 course in Hemel run by the centre themselves or another company? Would be good to know any first hand feedback from someone who’s done it.
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@Heather2021, All BASI courses on UK slopes are run by BASI themselves as far as I'm aware, and I'm sure they are at Hemel. If you look on the BASI website the courses organised by third parties are the ones listed here: https://www.basi.org.uk/BASI/Courses/Business_Partner_Courses.aspx - but even although those are organised by business partners they will still be delivered by a BASI trainer and have the same content and standards, the business partners just deal with the logistics and may offer add-on such as additional pre-course training / gap courses / accomodation packages etc.
I did my Ski L1 and L2 in resort with business partners, but did my Adaptive L1 at Hemel direct with BASI, and I'm sure the quality is the same. Is there something in particular you are concerned about?
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@skimottaret, just noticed on the course calendar that some of the L1s are now across 2 weekends (e.g. those at Tamworth) so wonder if that was also part of the reasoning...
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| skimottaret wrote: |
Just looking at course dates at Hemel and noticed that the L1 course is now 4 days rather than 5 , same price though as the 5 day course .
looks like IASI L1 is still 6 days
Anyone have any knowledge of when the BASI course has been changed ? Im surprised as hadn't heard any announcements |
I guess that means a L1 can be run over 2 weekends.
Great news for anyone doing a course in Snowdome, Scotland etc
No need for full week off work
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@Haggis_Trap, indeed, as per my post immediately above yours!
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@Tubaski, that was the reason. I was booked on 4 BASI L1 courses but none went ahead because of venue switch (dome.to dry) or because numbers were not good.
By that time I'd already taken days off. This is a problem, People kept wasting holiday time.
When I mentioned it would be great if there were more weekend split courses then they said it was being discussed at the next meeting. At the meeting they said they were moving in that direction.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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^ I did a 5 day Telemark L1 which was split over 2 weekends. So just one day off work vs a whole week. Format worked well.
Ultimately BASI needs to adapt to brexit by catering for domestic snowsports as well as alpine aspirations (which for now appear distant)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Haggis_Trap, yes, they did have some split courses in the past but they were not frequent in Snowfactor.
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I noticed there was also a level 3 teach split over 2 weekends at Cairngorm
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You know it makes sense.
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I did a 5 day Telemark L1 which was split over 2 weekends. So just one day off work vs a whole week. Format worked well.
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So did I! That was a fun couple of weekends. Up for L2 yet @Haggis_Trap, ?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well done @GlasgowCyclops! Where did you do it?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Tubaski, braehead in Glasgow.
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@ski, @Tubaski, thanks for the kind wishes
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Clearly certain Swiss are not too enamored of BASI given this article on the Skipass.com website
https://www.skipass.com/mag/devenir-moniteur-monitrice-de-ski-l-avis.html
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| "In England, an association called the BASI offers training corresponding broadly to what the ISIA offers. However, the BASI has a poor reputation, and even if the diploma gives the legal right to work in various countries, this does not mean that ski schools value this qualification. At level 4 of the BASI there is also a Eurotest which allows one to quite easily obtain an equivalence in France. The cost of training is particularly high and the reputation of the diploma particularly poor, which does not prevent the BASI from succeeding in obtaining a diploma recognized by the FEMPS and by the ISIA so, technically, it is probably one of the most better recognized." |
(translated by Google).
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@davidof, Why Swiss? The articles suggest to me that the author was going through the French system.
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| rjs wrote: |
| @davidof, Why Swiss? The articles suggest to me that the author was going through the French system. |
He claims to be Swiss in his bio
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@GlasgowCyclops, congratulations!
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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@GlasgowCyclops, congrats. Are you planning on teaching off the back of it?
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| davidof wrote: |
Clearly certain Swiss are not too enamored of BASI given this article on the Skipass.com website
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That doesn't match my experience of working within Swiss ski schools as a BASI qualified instructor. The levels 1 and 2 are not numerically equivalent, so a Swiss level 1 is somewhere between a BASI 1 and 2, but that's well understood so no-one expects them to be the same.
As far as the teaching methodology is concerned, I've seen more of the Swiss system following what BASI has been doing for longer, IYSWIM. Some parts of the Swiss 'central theme' have changed significantly over the last few years and are now much closet to what I learned with BASI starting ten years ago.
Interestingly, goven that in the PdS French- and Swiss-based instructors can teach on both sides of the border, I'd say that locally there's more disdain from the Swiss towards ESF instructors than anything else, based on comments I hear from fellow instructors. That's not based on their qualification system so much as the fact that some of them just look lazy both in their skiing and their instruction, particularly kids group lessons.
So I think that article is not fully representative of Swiss snowsports professionals in general.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
| So I think that article is not fully representative of Swiss snowsports professionals in general. |
I'm sure it is not. He also gave no evidence of claimed higher cost of BASI. From what I see things are roughly equivalent between the various systems. I think he just doesn't like "les anglais"; bizarre for someone who touts himself as "woke" but still, it is just an article on a website.
Isn't the lowest Swiss level (outside of cantonal exams) the ZA? Which would be the same as a BASI L1. Then Aspirant has 4 more days than a BASI L2 plus a second language at B1 level but is probably roughly equivalent.
I have heard of Italian Maestros taking the BASI qualifs as they can get more work and money with them - probably British clients.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
Interestingly, goven that in the PdS French- and Swiss-based instructors can teach on both sides of the border, I'd say that locally there's more disdain from the Swiss towards ESF instructors than anything else, based on comments I hear from fellow instructors. That's not based on their qualification system so much as the fact that some of them just look lazy both in their skiing and their instruction, particularly kids group lessons.
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Do the ESF even teach kids group lessons? I assumed they just expected a crocodile to follow them around and passers by to charitably pick up kids that had fallen etc or otherwise for kids to sort themselves out
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 @Dave of the Marmottes,
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