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It actually depends. The Italian app has a facility to download a long list of blacklisted certificates.
Whether hotel etc staff actually do that, and whether the NHS database links into that system, is a good question. I reckon the blacklist will be mostly fake certificates, which have an invalid certificate chain.
Some changes on the slopes since a month ago:
FFP2 are mandatory everywhere in the skiing areas, unless distancing can be maintained. In practice this means
- you can ski without a mask (but lots of people still wear them because they are clueless)
- if you don't wear anything on an open chairlift, you are very likely to get some verbal attacks by Italians (not by tourists); I suspect there has been a media campaign in Italy to encourage this. They don't "get" that open chairlifts are actually very safe
- in closed gondolas, you are expected to wear something (reasonable)
- wearing just a buff will keep the locals harrassing you on chairlifts
- there are fairly frequent excesses over masks; I was shouted at by one attendant when not wearing one getting into an empty gondola
- without FFP2 you will have hassle getting to restaurants etc
- there is plenty of stupidity e.g. solidly packing close to 100 people into one large gondola; barely standing room (whoever thought that was ok has no brain) and even if perhaps half were wearing FFP2, they won't be effective in such tight packing
- I wear FFP3 for the packed-out gondolas but generally avoid them (can't avoid the "experience" if going Cervinia to Zermatt)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So since cervinia is moving into the orange zone tomorrow, I'm struggling to find an up to date website that sets out exactly what this means, Apart from the lift company on Facebook encouraging people to buy lift passes.
If they were going to be shutting everything at 1800, I would have thought it would be a bit more newsworthy?
Or is it just the case that to do anything at all, you have to have the super green pass? Which is what I'm very much hoping!
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Thank you very much! That is great.
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| neilkav wrote: |
| TheManOnTheBus wrote: |
Hi all
We want to fly to Innsbruck and then get across to the Dolomites.
Italy doesn't require a PCR test (LFT will suffice).
Austria does require a PCR test but not if you are transitting and can prove that you are.
Has anyone done this and shown Austrian border guards proof - what sort of proof suffices? Email from hotel with booking confirmation?
Thanks!
I did try and start a thread on this but no traction!
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=158163#4907203 |
Hi we did exactly this today.
Booked with Crystal about 3 weeks ago after cancelling Austria as my 16 year old clearly could not get booster.
OMG what a nightmare BUT only with the terrible check in at Manchester. It is 100% clear from Austrian and Italian websites that if transiting (And can prove - printed version of Crystal booking conf) then DO NOT need to meet Austrian rules. So we did huge amount of research and correctly chose to do 24 hr LFT as fit to fly.
Did these with chronomics - awesome - email results within minutes. However even though I have an email from Crystal (TUI) stating that 24 hr LFT was fine, the check in people would not have it and were insisting on a 48 hour PCR - because in their words - “no no sir you’re wrong, you are flying to Austria and you need to meet Austrian rules”.
They simply would not have it - in the end even after showing them their own website, their own FAQ’s and my black and white email from Crystal, i kicked off badly and threatened to sue….The lady who had been insistent she couldn’t authorise it suddenly changed her mind. We were then quickly processed and got to security with 40 mins till flight.
Anyway we made it BUT big tip to anyone going into Innsbruck then transiting to Dolomites - get to airport early!!!!
Or just get a 48 hr PCR i suppose? The thing was how 100% insistent they were right and eventually conceded they hadn’t read their own FAQ.
So arrival in Innsbruck an absolute breeze - military guy stood prior to passport control - i said were transiting and showed him crystal booking - and that was that a straight through and passport stamped.
Did NOT ask to see EU PLF or test results!!!
Checked in at hotel after 2.5 hr transfer - again wonderful - passports and test results. Just awesome everywhere but blighty!!
Hotel Kolfuschgergof Colfosco - WOW what a place - sensational - and cannot wait to get out tomorrow in the sunshine and as I believe empty pistes.
Hope that helps some folks avoid the horrible situation we got into, good job we arrived and Manchester 2 hrs 45 ahead of flight time otherwise we would have missed it.
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Likewise. Thank you.
The reason I don't want to have to do a PCR is that I have just recovered from Covid (had to cancel my holiday last week - symptoms arrived overnight just before I flew. Thank God they arrived then and not when in resort).
PCRs I'm told can carry on being positive for a while after you are no longer unwell, so LTF test is what I want!
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@Chuckles3,
Thanks, very useful table! Can't see any mention of times, so presumably things will just remain open to those with super green passes as before?
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So basically, you can use the NHS COVID pass on the phone app and/or print outs of the 2D barcodes?
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@RichardB, yes
For ease of use (one click) I have downloaded the EU green pass app ; it is in English, can store more than one persons details, can verify codes with its 'scan' utility
https://greenpassapp.eu/
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@albob, thanks, I got the app on my phone now.
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There is a lot of old info kicking around when googling! I've seen everything from restaurants closing early to overnight curfews in my searching for rule in Orange zone.
The facts, as linked above, appear to be that going orange only affect locals who are not eligible for GP or SGP. Mention of shopping malls closing at weekends.
My only concern is the lift company (Cervinia) saying they will be limiting pass numbers. So do I buy a pass earlier than planned, which will probably not be refundable, given there is lots that could still go wrong?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| MountainIdiot wrote: |
@Chuckles3,
Thanks, very useful table! Can't see any mention of times, so presumably things will just remain open to those with super green passes as before? |
I’m working on that assumption. If Aosta valley goes orange tomorrow, I’ll fire an email off to a local friend out there & see if I can clarify. If I hear back before I go I’ll let you know, otherwise I’ll report from Pila next Sunday & let you know whether I can get my dinner or not 
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| Peter Stevens wrote: |
- you can ski without a mask (but lots of people still wear them because they are clueless)
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No it is because it saves fafing about all the time
Skiing today with mask no worse than waring a buff
Someone in a previous post recommended sewing buttons onto the ear flaps on helmets this works really well
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Didn't claim there is any safety case for having them on
As said no worse than waring a buf
No big deal anyway
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Poster: A snowHead
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From thelocal.it today “ If a region becomes an orange zone, little changes for vaccinated people; most venues and activities will remain open and accessible to those with Italy’s ‘super green pass’ health certificate that shows the bearer is vaccinated against or recovered from Covid”
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 17-01-22 8:28; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Our children have both just had Covid and can't get their second jab in time for half term. We are booked to go to La Thuile, private companies are offering proof of recovery certificates. Are they enough? We can't one from the NHS so this our only hope really. Has anyone had any experience with these certificates, they are issued by the firm's that do the test certificates however they will not have a QR code that can be scanned. I would appreciate any help
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Valle d’Aosta turning orange today.
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Only slightly worrying bit for tourists is -
Travel in your own vehicle to other Regions -
Allowed only for work, necessity, health or services that are not suspended but not available in your Municipality.
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@scottishandy, Where are you getting this info from? I've just read through the info on the link kindly provided by @Chuckles3, and can't see anything about about travel in your own vehicle. Am I missing something or looking in the wrong place?
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Copy and pasted from Chuckles link. Did you switch to orange zone at the top?
This is however contrary to the table Chuckles posted yesterday which states that this rule is for non green pass holders but not for GP and SGP holders. Which is correct? I can't guess!!
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| scottishandy wrote: |
Only slightly worrying bit for tourists is -
Travel in your own vehicle to other Regions -
Allowed only for work, necessity, health or services that are not suspended but not available in your Municipality. |
Although if you think about it tourism / snow sport services are not suspended and you do have to travel to get to them.
I can't see this being a problem for anybody, even if this rule is active.
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| scottishandy wrote: |
Only slightly worrying bit for tourists is -
Travel in your own vehicle to other Regions -
Allowed only for work, necessity, health or services that are not suspended but not available in your Municipality. |
this applies to the unvaccinated only, untested and non-recovered only
I haven't looked at the link posted above but the version on the Italian government site is quite clear (in Italian ),
look under
"Spostamenti con mezzo proprio" (move with own transport)
then "Verso altre regioni/province autonome" (to other provinces)
you'll see that there is only one option which changes for orange (arancione) and that is for people without any type green pass.
https://www.governo.it/sites/governo.it/files/documenti/documenti/Notizie-allegati/tabella_attivita_consentite.pdf
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Only slight concern for me is the restriction in the number of passes issued, though presumably day tickets will take the brunt of that, IE they will just shut the offices when the quota is reached?
pre order and click and collect from the official site (for cervinia) should ensure access to the slopes by essentially jumping the queue?
This is what they say on the cervinia site
"From next Monday (17th January 2022) Aosta Valley region will be classified, as a consequence of the current COVID health emergency, in the orange risk range.
In addition to the existing regulatory obligations regarding ski resorts, there will also be a limit to the number of accesses to the lifts, on the basis of regional provisions and protocols currently being approved.
Given the quotas currently estimated, at the moment there are no reservation obligations for holders of seasonal, non-consecutive multi-day or open date passes.
For all other types of tickets, only the purchase of the ski pass on the cervinia.it shop will guarantee access to the ski areas.
We remind you that the main sales channel is represented by the online shop and that the purchase at the ticket offices do not guarantee the availability of seats and will be limited to tickets not available online (discounted tickets)."
Due to fly out on the 28th, am currently trying to avoid going anywhere near anyone else right now!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I have just had mails back from both a Hotel and Ski Lift in Italy as follows:
If you have proof of recovery for your son that specifies he cannot get vaccinated because he had COVID, from your doctor, it is enough for us. However, in order to link the ski pass (every day) to the letter you must show it every day to the stewards at the entrance of the main lifts (Grostè, Pradalago, 5 Laghi, Spinale).
So in short Dr's letter proving super green pass status appears to accepted but in the absence of a QR code it needs to be shown, unfortunately, our GP/NHS in general won't give us one so we have to go to a private provider @ £99 each letter! 
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@scottishandy, I read ‘services that are not suspended’ to cover stuff like skiing - it reads as being suitably vague enough to be open to interpretation. I also think they’ve missed the bit about super green pass on this but too?
‘ Allowed only for work, necessity, health or services that are not suspended but not available in your Municipality.’
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You know it makes sense.
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Just had my booster jab. I read that it is valid 15 days after is has been administered, which would be the 1st Feb. My second dose was 14/06/2021 so I am within 270 days of that one but outside of the 180 day limit which will come into force on the 1st Feb in Italy for the Super Green Pass. I assume that I have just about squeaked in??
I have asked my GP for a proof of recovery letter as they can't get the Randox +ve Day 2 PCR result from before Christmas to link up with the NHS App, so hopefully that will come through. Alternatively, I have the PCR test result with my passport number on it which might be enough to get me waved through if additional proof is required. It's never easy this.......
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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A long shot - off to La Thuile next week, anyone know if skiing over to France/La Rosiere side is ok for Brits, do we need to fill out French paperwork etc ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Maddog1962, There are no borders in the EU zone, so shouldn't be a problem ::
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| Rolyberkin wrote: |
I have just had mails back from both a Hotel and Ski Lift in Italy as follows:
If you have proof of recovery for your son that specifies he cannot get vaccinated because he had COVID, from your doctor, it is enough for us. However, in order to link the ski pass (every day) to the letter you must show it every day to the stewards at the entrance of the main lifts (Grostè, Pradalago, 5 Laghi, Spinale).
So in short Dr's letter proving super green pass status appears to accepted but in the absence of a QR code it needs to be shown, unfortunately, our GP/NHS in general won't give us one so we have to go to a private provider @ £99 each letter! |
Private provider letters do not contain an EU compatible QR code so I think it's a waste of money to get a private certificate? I was under the impression that evidence of positive test more than 11 but less than 4 months (maybe, might be making that up) from doctor / NHS record (ideal if in the app) is acceptable as evidence of recovery in itself and a private certificate makes no difference.
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| Maddog1962 wrote: |
| A long shot - off to La Thuile next week, anyone know if skiing over to France/La Rosiere side is ok for Brits, do we need to fill out French paperwork etc ? |
You can freely ski between the two resorts, just enjoy the two drag lifts returning to LT 
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I’m heading to Sauze from Scotland 1st week of Feb with Crystal. I’ve filled in EPLF, have lateral flow tests booked (fit to fly and uk day 2 return), have NHS certificate of vaccination (with QR codes) and a supply of FFP2 masks (phew .......  ). So I think I’ve got most of the additional Covid stuff I need (if you think I’ve missed something let me know)
However I can’t find out how to get a super green pass. Can anyone advise?
Also, if anyone’s in Sauze the first week of Feb let me know. I’m a good piste skier (knees won’t handle off piste) and happy to meet up with others for a few runs or a beer or two.
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However I can’t find out how to get a super green pass. Can anyone advise?
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Your proof of vaccination is your SGP. The Italians (lift company, restaurants etc etc) will scan your QR code, you'll get a green tick and that's it.
You can download verificaC19 app to confirm for yourself that your QR code is valid - that is the app they will use in Italy to scan you.
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Your proof of vaccination is your SGP.
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So as long as I have my NHS QR code I'm good? That's good to hear.
PS - I tried to download the app but it wouldn't scan a code on my phone.
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@PGammage, I’m in Selva just now. Here you use the ski area app on your phone to scan the QR code from your NHS Scotland Covid App. You scan it once at the start of your holiday and then re validate every morning just by pressing a button on the app. It’s a doddle. Couple of things worth noting: the QR code you need to scan is the one for your last jag on the international bit of the NHS app. If you’re using an iPhone check that it’s set to keep photos in the phone memory rather than offloading to the cloud. For some reason having my photo of my QR code on the cloud made the ski app ask for a fresh photo every day.
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To late for @Valkyrie - but print out your QR code ; in these situations, paper is King !!
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