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Pre Arrival Tests for England announced

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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I too am a bit fecked off by this " Don't panic Mr Mainwareing!" attitude by the govt.

I think I'd be relatively content if they stuck to their guns re vax being the primary control or even be happy to take a lft every damn day if we could use our existing supplies. But the thought of this theatre and the prospect of being stranded outside the UK at own expense while each traveller funnels £100s into the pockets of Tory donors and other chancers really sticks in the craw.

And it's the prospect of this being a forever panic that really concerns. Sucking all the joy out of travel each time by layering on stress, cost, risk and uncertainty.


This. This. This.
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Rednat5 wrote:
Didn’t think it was possible to add any more to was wrong.
Family of 5 travelling Boxing Day .
Require 33 tests for a 1 week ski holiday.
Surely that had to be us out!

I can take eldest for his jab Tuesday and they will reduce us to the just the 27 tests,


Absolutely incredible and shocking. I'm so sorry to hear that Sad
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I'm finding it all as confusing as a christmas perfume ad, but am hanging in there and think I have the right things booked and ready. Fingers crossed.
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hd wrote:
@peerless ploughman, so on that basis we need tighter restrictions for a variant that causes milder disease?

You couldn't make this up.


Zero deaths and mild symptoms. Almost like this virus is behaving like every other virus before it and the mutations are becoming less deadly. But still, let's panic and lock the world down just in case rolling eyes
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Rednat5 wrote:
I honestly was all for the will be totally worth it view
But as a
Family this now takes us to 33 tests and over £1000 there has to be a limit and think we’ve reached it.

We’ve all just had covid, we’ve all had our vaccinations that we can. We’ve done everything we can and now 33 test!
5 x pre departure lft
5x pre return lft
5x day 2 pcr
6x daily lft x 3


My jaw just hit the floor. Absolute 5h1tshow, this, as others have said. Sad
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As an aside I wonder if anyone has set up their own "micro testing business" just to attend to personal travel. More than possible for LFTs I'd guess?
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This is a severe over reaction/knee jerk by our Government. Most countries allow their residents to return without excessive restrictions.
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This is the result from the Swiss TravelCheck site for a returning Swiss resident

".Entry to the country is currently possible without pandemic-related measures.
Travel information ::
Your entry to the country is subject to the general entry requirements (e.g. travel document and visa). You may be accompanied by your children of minor age. If you are reliant on support, a carer may accompany you. These people are likewise subject to the general entry requirements..."

I having feeling that our regulations will change by mid week, as the travel companies start to lobby the Government
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@Dave of the Marmottes,
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I think I'd be relatively content if they stuck to their guns re vax being the primary control or even be happy to take a lft every damn day if we could use our existing supplies. But the thought of this theatre and the prospect of being stranded outside the UK at own expense while each traveller funnels £100s into the pockets of Tory donors and other chancers really sticks in the craw.

And it's the prospect of this being a forever panic that really concerns. Sucking all the joy out of travel each time by layering on stress, cost, risk and uncertainty.

Exactly. I don't really want to go skiing any more. Sad Sad
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Hurtle wrote:
@Dave of the Marmottes,
Quote:

I think I'd be relatively content if they stuck to their guns re vax being the primary control or even be happy to take a lft every damn day if we could use our existing supplies. But the thought of this theatre and the prospect of being stranded outside the UK at own expense while each traveller funnels £100s into the pockets of Tory donors and other chancers really sticks in the craw.

And it's the prospect of this being a forever panic that really concerns. Sucking all the joy out of travel each time by layering on stress, cost, risk and uncertainty.

Exactly. I don't really want to go skiing any more. Sad Sad


It's sad that this latest announcement can have such a negative effect on such diehard skiers as those on here. Sad Sad
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@Bergmeister, Indeed. I never thought I'd say that.
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HilbertSpace wrote:
These (return to UK) antigen tests can be self administered.

For what it's worth, apparently if you put the dropper solution straight on without a swab you still get -ve test Eh oh!
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Do you mean just put the dropper liquid on without he sample.

Wouldn't work because you need the control lane to be +be but the T lane to be -ve
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GlasgowCyclops wrote:
HilbertSpace wrote:
These (return to UK) antigen tests can be self administered.

For what it's worth, apparently if you put the dropper solution straight on without a swab you still get -ve test Eh oh!
.


Do you mean just put the dropper liquid on without he sample.

Wouldn't work because you need the control lane to be +be but the T lane to be -ve


I debated the merits of sharing this paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34418566/
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I’ve just had a great day getting pi$$ed at the German market to find out about this…

FFS

I have (I think) tomorrow to get through the Crystal to work out what I should be doing for our trip on the 19th. Proper shafts people, I’m at punch-a-hole-in-the-TV level raging.
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Well that's done it. That's the final nail in the coffin for our Christmas trip to Austria.

We've done everything we can to keep it going ahead. Our flights have been cancelled and rebooked twice, we've kept an eye on the lockdown and bought Day 2 PCR tests. But the risk of needing to quarantine in Austria for 10 days is too high.

We cancelled everything but the flights last night. Unfortunately they're non refundable so we just have to write those off when we do cancel.
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HilbertSpace wrote:
r11s wrote:
HilbertSpace wrote:
These (return to UK) antigen tests can be self administered.

For what it's worth, apparently if you put the dropper solution straight on without a swab you still get -ve test Eh oh!

These tests are pure theatre. It's just SAGE/UK Gov showing they're doing the right thing (and/or an indirect way to donate to Tory party funds rolling eyes )

Don't let this latest thing stop your ski trip.


Interesting. Which providers will thus work with ? Obviously wouldn’t work at pharmacy/ test centre or if video required.


Many of the return to UK antigen tests are self administered. Others like Qured require video link.

Must add I'm not advocating cheating tests... Just that this new regime is 'security theatre'.


I've not taken a self administered fit to fly test. But do they know on what date the test is taken? Could you take the test before you go on holiday (obviously not going if it's +ve) then either take a photo with your passport then and uploading it when you need to, or taking the negative test with you and taking the photo/uploading later?

Obviously I'm not advocating this, but highlighting it doesn't appear to be the most robust process.
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My husband and I talked about that last night. He said that part of him was tempted to travel home with a positive, having found a way like above to cheat the test. But the he couldn't do it in good conscience. He couldn't board that plane knowing there was a chance he could spread it. He said you just don't know the degrees of separation and that that decision by him could potentially result in loss of life further down the line.

Pretty sobering and enough to make us get a grip about missing out on the trip we've had booked since September 2020.
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@Mozzle, said
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then either take a photo with your passport then and uploading it when you need to

Don't do this - digital photos have embedded meta-data which includes date, time and (probably) location the photo was taken, so you're certain to get rumbled Sad
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@Mozzle, We were talking about this too - where in the process does it prove that the person who is uploading the test result against their passport info was the person who actually took that test......
But unless you actually have the test done by a third party I guess that's always been the case even with the day 2 or 8 or whatever tests when you return home and do a self administered pcr test. Unless I'm missing something the whole process has so many loopholes it's not fit for purpose.
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I’m still considering whether to go or cut our considerable losses. One factor is how careful we’ve been over last week or so not to catch Covid in order to pass our fit to fly tests. Can we really be as careful during 2 weeks skiing in France in order to avoid 2 weeks quarantine in French at the end of our trip, not to mention the enormous additional costs?

But on the plus side we have recent boosters, first week self catering apartment to our selves, second week sharing catered chalet with UK oldies who will have also been boosted and fit to fly tested. We just need to have packed lunches to avoid lunch time restaurants and forgo apres bars


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If they were serious about keeping an eye things surely the best way would be to make everyone have a free test on landing in the UK as well as a test in person test a few days later. No scope for fudging or dishonesty then. If I was away and tested positive on a self LFT I've no idea what I'd do in the situation. I know I wouldn't just fly home tho.

There are ads on the TV in my side of the UK asking us to take a free test everytime we meet somebody now.
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Owlette wrote:
My husband and I talked about that last night. He said that part of him was tempted to travel home with a positive, having found a way like above to cheat the test. But the he couldn't do it in good conscience. He couldn't board that plane knowing there was a chance he could spread it. He said you just don't know the degrees of separation and that that decision by him could potentially result in loss of life further down the line.

Pretty sobering and enough to make us get a grip about missing out on the trip we've had booked since September 2020.


I’m probably in the same camp as your husband. For me, however, I’m happy to fly tomorrow without a pre-flight test, not knowing whether or not I’ve got Covid and potentially posing a risk to others. I probably take comfort knowing that it will be a quiet flight, everyone will have been double vaxed and mask wearing will be enforced. It does however beg the question as to whether there is a continuing need for double vaccination and mask wearing requirements for travelling if all travellers have tested negatively by default.
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@alasdair.graham, that whole LFT before going out thing seems a little excessive to me.
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Tests required prior to return as well now - antigen or pcr. Starting to get very expensive again, especially for families...
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We are now after discussion still looking to go to both France in Jan and Cervinia in March. We think the latest pre departure test to come home is totally ludicrous for triple jabbed 60 year olds who are careful. All this for a variant which even if more transmissible, so what!? It is not supposed to be as virulent. And as for anyone not double jabbed, well that’s your lookout, smacks of smokers being a bit upset if they get lung cancer. I am beyond belief angry that Yvette Cooper is pleased that the Labour Party have successfully lobbied for the pre departure tests. Unbelieveable. Hope they are happy that more people now have a reason not to vote Labour. More bad judgement. Politicians are in a death race to the bottom of the common sense pile. Evil or Very Mad
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@alasdair.graham,
In Singapore they are strongly encouraged to do a home LFT before going anywhere; shops, bars etc. They saw it as the only way to exit the situation. Personally I don't think it's a bad idea.
As for testing positive and then getting on an airplane; that's a tough call. The pro mask wearers suggest that wearing one whilst ill reduces the risk of passing illness on by 70% and wearing one whilst not ill reduces the risk of catching something by nearly 30%. So it should all be ok Eh oh! .
Tin hat on!
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@zzz, the most reasonable analysis I've seen suggests mask efficacy at population level around 10% ... which is obvs not very much.

Positivity in UK running around 4.6% so most LFTs will be wasted ...
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Perhaps a stupid question but if we test positive in this pre-flight test then am I right in thinking we have to isolate abroad until clear to travel?
And if that is the case, will the average holiday insurance cover the additional costs?
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@zzz, the most reasonable analysis I've seen suggests mask efficacy at population level around 10% ... which is obvs not very much.

Positivity in UK running around 4.6% so most LFTs will be wasted ...
I think that’s correct on both points, but isn’t the answer to use all the partially successful tools you have, rather than leaving the virus go completely unchecked because none of them individually gives you much influence on the course of the pandemic?
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Don’t line the pockets of the U.K. providers. Get an LFT done locally, assuming your travel times fit in with opening hours of pharmacies/test centres.
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@hammerite, we now have to! Puzzled
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@twoodwar you’re staying that omnicron is more transmissible and less dangerous but this hasn’t been established by science yet. The reports that this are the case are subjective not backed up by statistical significance and peer review. That’s why nations are making these moves. It could all change again in next 1-2 weeks as data emerges. May be too late to save a lot of peoples skiing though which I agree is just rubbish unfortunately.
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@Halitosis,
Yes & some holiday insurances do cover this including flight home after quarantine period.
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twoodwar wrote:
@hammerite, we now have to! Puzzled
Do we have to use a local provider, or can we purchase an approved Lateral Flow test in the UK before we travel, and then do that test the day before we travel home?
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@Halitosis,
Yes & some holiday insurances do cover this including flight home after quarantine period.
Do you have a link to a policy which includes that? Still not sorted out my insurance for this winter, other than Carte Neige which wouldn’t cover that eventuality.
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twoodwar wrote:
@hammerite, we now have to! Puzzled
Do we have to use a local provider, or can we purchase an approved Lateral Flow test in the UK before we travel, and then do that test the day before we travel home?


Take one with you, swab yourself, take a photo with your passport, cert sent within a few hours. Testing for All and C19 Testing both fast delivery and reliable returns.
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@Halitosis, yes. It seems possible that you could get stuck and have to quarantine somewhere until you can show negative on an LFT. Regarding your second question, I have two travel policies, one with Snowcard and the other a NatWest Black account policy.

The Snowcard policy covers me for cancellation if I catch Covid (which is unlikely as I currently have it). But it does not mention what happens if I test positive and cannot return to the UK. The NatWest policy does not cover me for cancellation due to Covid but does cover me if I need to quarantine while I am abroad. So check your policy wording carefully.

I think I am likely to cancel my January trip regardless. I cannot take the risk of getting stranded in Switzerland until I can show clear on an antigen test.
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"I don't really want to go skiing any more. Sad."

If you could just spend that money on a nice UK based holiday instead that would marvellous, thanks. Yours, R. Sunak
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thecramps wrote:
I'm finding it all as confusing as a christmas perfume ad, but am hanging in there and think I have the right things booked and ready. Fingers crossed.


This is us Eh oh!
2 adults, 2 kids (11 and a singled-vaxed 14). Not yet ordered the Christmas turkey as planning on still heading to Arc 1950. Multiple tests booked, keeping a list of forms we need to fill in etc, travelling 19th Dec on Eurotunnel and driving will keep us out of airport crowds. Feeling cautiously optimistic. Only query is if one of us tests positive on the pre-travel tests French-side. At least we’ll all be together!!
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That has to be the hope, that this variant is milder despite being more transmissible and it could eventually eliminate the Delta variant, it’s the number of mutations that seems to have many nations on alert though.

I’m not cancelling or changing my booking unless forced to by Crystal, I just don’t see any point changing to raise hopes only to have them dashed again or to miss out on a trip I’ve wanted to do for years due to a hasty change or cancellation on my part.
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