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@andy from embsay, hmmm, from French perspective, "full" vaccinations, iirc led the uk after the initial rollout because we (sensibly, and now provably correctly) counted infection recovery as an initial exposure.
OWiD don't count this way, which is arguable, but defendable. But to say that French vaccination lagged, is I think, definitely questionable.
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| franga wrote: |
| andy from embsay wrote: |
| franga wrote: |
| Positive news re Crystal, fingers crossed for everyone who is due to holiday with them and everyone else with upcoming bookings to France ... it will be really interesting to see what the French decide to do with unvaccinated >12Y olds (if this will be their cut-off), this point will be critical for the February HT and Easter holiday crowd ... |
I think 12-16s can still do daily tests as per the vax pass debate. |
If so then that that will force many families with unvaccinated teens to switch to Switzerland … daily tests in a ski resort are a pain in the backside. Nevermind, the risk of testing +ve element. |
That’s only as it was isn’t it? The plan was for all over 12s to have to be fully vaxxed as it is for over 16s?
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As I posted on the teenagers thread I’m not sure that a private skiing holiday as a tourist qualifies for the passe sanitaire rather than passe vaccinal. The assembly did discuss sporting activities and “loisirs” but I had the impression it was more so teenagers whose parents have not consented to vaccinating them are not excluded from school trips and extra curriculars. I understood PV would still apply to private trips and in restaurants etc. interested if anyone has read anything more up to date or different as my French is not perfect!
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| franga wrote: |
| andy from embsay wrote: |
| franga wrote: |
| Positive news re Crystal, fingers crossed for everyone who is due to holiday with them and everyone else with upcoming bookings to France ... it will be really interesting to see what the French decide to do with unvaccinated >12Y olds (if this will be their cut-off), this point will be critical for the February HT and Easter holiday crowd ... |
I think 12-16s can still do daily tests as per the vax pass debate. |
If so then that that will force many families with unvaccinated teens to switch to Switzerland … daily tests in a ski resort are a pain in the backside. Nevermind, the risk of testing +ve element. |
Never mind the holiday location, should we not be asking why they are not getting their teens vaccinated
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409k for latest cases? Means that the restrictions are nonsense
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Perhaps they caught covid and the NHS wouldn’t vaccinate them? My daughter’s first jab was delayed as she caught delta in October. Luckily was able to catch up the missed jab in Nov under the rules as applied then. If she catches omicron now she won’t be vaccinated before we go to France at end of March (if I report the positive that is…  )
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So - to travel - if you have a property you are establishing to rent out - would this suffice for reasons to travel? Also - are you questioned at the Eurostar border control about what you are doing with the property? Has anyone travelled to France with this type of 'exceptional economic reasons' certificate?
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| The_Gate wrote: |
| 409k for latest cases? Means that the restrictions are nonsense |
. I don't think anyone on here disagrees that the reasons are nonsense...let's hope they are lifted entirely next week.
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
| franga wrote: |
| andy from embsay wrote: |
| franga wrote: |
| Positive news re Crystal, fingers crossed for everyone who is due to holiday with them and everyone else with upcoming bookings to France ... it will be really interesting to see what the French decide to do with unvaccinated >12Y olds (if this will be their cut-off), this point will be critical for the February HT and Easter holiday crowd ... |
I think 12-16s can still do daily tests as per the vax pass debate. |
If so then that that will force many families with unvaccinated teens to switch to Switzerland … daily tests in a ski resort are a pain in the backside. Nevermind, the risk of testing +ve element. |
Never mind the holiday location, should we not be asking why they are not getting their teens vaccinated |
I’m sure there are mitigating factors etc … how many 12-16Y old British kids have had more than 1 jab? Particularly given that a fair chunk of them got CV between September and October.
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| under a new name wrote: |
@andy from embsay, hmmm, from French perspective, "full" vaccinations, iirc led the uk after the initial rollout because we (sensibly, and now provably correctly) counted infection recovery as an initial exposure.
OWiD don't count this way, which is arguable, but defendable. But to say that French vaccination lagged, is I think, definitely questionable. |
I can’t remember exact timings but French vax programme was definitely later to get to v high %s of fully vaxxed (even if you include recovery), partly due to concerns about AZ - If you take 50m first doses as a point, UK was at that level in May (from UK gov dashboard), France was 3 or 4 months later (from Vaccin Tracker) - hence waning has happened later (and in combo with restrictions) gave a smaller delta wave whilst England (especially) had v high infections in the autumn but arguably got over its delta wave sooner.
The big difference is in booster %. UK has 60% of >12s boosted, France is at 40%.
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| The_Gate wrote: |
| 409k for latest cases? Means that the restrictions are nonsense |
. I don't think anyone on here disagrees that the reasons are nonsense...let's hope they are lifted entirely next week. |
I do - are these Omicron or Delta? Until numbers used by the French health authorities when comparing with the UK in France's favor then no point in arguing,.or pulling out our own figures. So... what do they say they are comparing?
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From the TAC app
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You know it makes sense.
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@Skimum1, you may well be right - I just saw they’d voted to exempt 12-16s from the full vaccin pass.
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| snowqueen50 wrote: |
| So - to travel - if you have a property you are establishing to rent out - would this suffice for reasons to travel? Also - are you questioned at the Eurostar border control about what you are doing with the property? Has anyone travelled to France with this type of 'exceptional economic reasons' certificate? |
I don’t think we know. I have seen that your employer would need to give you a letter which would be difficult in those circumstances!
Nobody will have travelled for that particular reason yet, as that particular reason was only added today I think?
But we may well only have five or six days to wait - if you did go at the weekend and it was ok to enter France you’d still have to isolate for 48hrs and get a test done at a pharmacy - I’d be tempted to wait til next week when it might open up a lot more!
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| andy from embsay wrote: |
| I can’t remember exact timings but French vax programme was definitely later to get to v high %s of fully vaxxed (even if you include recovery), partly due to concerns about AZ |
It was due to unavailability of promised (and paid for) AZ doses - much to the ire of Italian, German, French etc. authorities. So as soon as an alternative offer came in, a few weeks later, they had to play catch up while at the same time leveraging safety concerns about AZ to stop local usage.
Fast forward to today, and AZ is inexistent in France. All previously stocked doses were either destroyed (what a waste) or given away to poorer countries as part of a much touted (yet insufficient) help program.
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| patrick! wrote: |
| andy from embsay wrote: |
| I can’t remember exact timings but French vax programme was definitely later to get to v high %s of fully vaxxed (even if you include recovery), partly due to concerns about AZ |
It was due to unavailability of promised (and paid for) AZ doses - much to the ire of Italian, German, French etc. authorities. So as soon as an alternative offer came in, a few weeks later, they had to play catch up while at the same time leveraging safety concerns about AZ to stop local usage.
Fast forward to today, and AZ is inexistent in France. All previously stocked doses were either destroyed (what a waste) or given away to poorer countries as part of a much touted (yet insufficient) help program. |
Let's not get started on this again - too much danger of the thread spiralling off topic. Lots of space in apres if that debate wants to be repeated..
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@patrick!, You also need to include when AZ was authorised for use in the EU, those promises were best effort, not promises and a President who spread 'less than complimentary' information about AZ.
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| Handy Turnip wrote: |
| patrick! wrote: |
| andy from embsay wrote: |
| I can’t remember exact timings but French vax programme was definitely later to get to v high %s of fully vaxxed (even if you include recovery), partly due to concerns about AZ |
It was due to unavailability of promised (and paid for) AZ doses - much to the ire of Italian, German, French etc. authorities. So as soon as an alternative offer came in, a few weeks later, they had to play catch up while at the same time leveraging safety concerns about AZ to stop local usage.
Fast forward to today, and AZ is inexistent in France. All previously stocked doses were either destroyed (what a waste) or given away to poorer countries as part of a much touted (yet insufficient) help program. |
Let's not get started on this again - too much danger of the thread spiralling off topic. Lots of space in apres if that debate wants to be repeated.. |
Good point. Fingers on lips.
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Sorry sorry, I tend to reply and refute irrespective of the thread context! 
Overall, and I understand it's a pain for people trying to organise their long deserved break, and for their (often British) hosts in France, it seems the best thing is to wait if you can (else, unfortunately just replan). No point in discussing the how's and why's of health authorities's decisions as it's apparent we don't have the full info (or it's tainted by our beliefs/source of info).
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261k new cases today on TAC........
New glasses needed......
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409 new cases of D3 variant in France today
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There are 2 figures published on TAC. 261k are today’s cases and 409k as far as I understand is a count back from 3 Jan and inflated as it’s a true-up of very low weekend figures. In any case it’s grim.
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| snowqueen50 wrote: |
| So - to travel - if you have a property you are establishing to rent out - would this suffice for reasons to travel? Also - are you questioned at the Eurostar border control about what you are doing with the property? Has anyone travelled to France with this type of 'exceptional economic reasons' certificate? |
You should show some meetings and paperwork ; with the rental agent, co prop manager if it’s a flat etc, cleaning agency etc. And some detail showing you own the property, utility bill that sort of thing . I haven’t but I know it was very common in prior lockdowns. It obviously helps if it’s true !
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So apologies to the_gate, just a little complicated, but the figures issued by the government always tie up with the D1 on TAC.........
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| mishmash wrote: |
| snowqueen50 wrote: |
| So - to travel - if you have a property you are establishing to rent out - would this suffice for reasons to travel? Also - are you questioned at the Eurostar border control about what you are doing with the property? Has anyone travelled to France with this type of 'exceptional economic reasons' certificate? |
You should show some meetings and paperwork ; with the rental agent, co prop manager if it’s a flat etc, cleaning agency etc. And some detail showing you own the property, utility bill that sort of thing . I haven’t but I know it was very common in prior lockdowns. It obviously helps if it’s true ! |
Thank you - we can provide that… hopefully next week should relax the entry rules even more - if they don’t I’ll be arranging my meetings
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So is the next meeting to review restrictions on Wednesday?
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You know it makes sense.
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Hopefully, yes.
Should be combined with the weekly defence counsel meeting
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| Elsie80 wrote: |
| So is the next meeting to review restrictions on Wednesday? |
Meeting is 0930, followed by a press confernce with Gabriel Attal, who tells us what they talked about. Then if it reflects this week the detail announced the day after.
However: they have also been pinging stuff out at random times (eg adding USA to red list over NY weekend, removing SA from scarlet list yesterday) so who knows if they might surprise us?
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I’m just keeping it all crossed we can get to France on the 29th Jan.
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| yorkshirelad wrote: |
| France 24 reported 332k cases yesterday...the guardian says 335k....again who do you believe??? |
That was reported yesterday for the day before (Wednesday).
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| yorkshirelad wrote: |
| France 24 reported 332k cases yesterday...the guardian says 335k....again who do you believe??? |
| The Guardian wrote: |
1h ago
09:08
France's Omicron wave expected to peak in ten days
The Covid-19 wave engulfing France could reach its peak in about 10 days’ time, said Prof Alain Fischer, an official responsible for France’s Covid vaccine strategy.
“I think we are coming to the peak of this new wave,” Reuters report Fischer told LCI TV, adding that this peak could come “primarily towards the beginning of the second fortnight of January, so if we work it out this would be in around 10 days’ time”.
France reported 261,481 new coronavirus infections on Thursday, less than the record of more than 332,000 set on Wednesday, but the seven-day moving average of new cases rose above 200,000 for the first time since the start of the health crisis. |
Not sure what the point of your post was but anyway...
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The balance of my February HT trip is due tomorrow of course I'll pay it if I don't we definitely wont be going just feels counterintuitive to hand over money for a country currently we cannot travel to 
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Should we be starting a new thread called 'Actual information about the real regulations for travel to France' and rename this one 'Speculation in the absence of any actual changes to the current rules'?
I know, I'm as guilty as anyone of inducing thread drift. It's just that anyone looking for either feedback from actual journeys to France, or useful bulletins when the rules change isn't going to find it easily amid the discussion and speculation.
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| LaForet wrote: |
| Should we be starting a new thread called 'Actual information about the real regulations for travel to France' and rename this one 'Speculation in the absence of any actual changes to the current rules'? |
I'd appreciate that.
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+1 (but might get polluted anyway) 
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