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France Updates Travel Restrictions

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@under a new name, no it was hilarious though, the brass neck of some politicians is astonishing Laughing

Thanks for the link, I personally reckon it will be back to normal within the month......fingers crossed!
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JamesHJ wrote:


It is the UK who are obsessed with France. Nobody even mentions the UK in FR outside of a few isolated ski resort bubbles.



I agree that I don't think France really think about the UK that much at all - but to be fair, the reverse of the statement is also true. Outside of us skiiers, I don't believe that anyone in the UK is particularly bothered about the current French travel restrictions at all.
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Handy Turnip wrote:
JamesHJ wrote:


It is the UK who are obsessed with France. Nobody even mentions the UK in FR outside of a few isolated ski resort bubbles.



I agree that I don't think France really think about the UK that much at all - but to be fair, the reverse of the statement is also true. Outside of us skiiers, I don't believe that anyone in the UK is particularly bothered about the current French travel restrictions at all.


At this time of year this is almost certainly true! Would change come the summer and peak time breaks but suspect it will be less of an issue then.
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Rob Mackley wrote:
As the French Government have said they are watching the situation in the UK and Denmark very closely and will obviously be looking at their own data but the data in the England is suggesting very mild for nearly all , few hospitalisations and many of those are being picked up from daily testing of those already in for other reasons and now early data it is suggested that actual numbers in London the first epicentre in UK are falling . So let’s hope the French hold their nerve .


Yes, this is the hope that I'm clinging too. And I'm very aware that my whole judgement on the subject is clouded by the fact I want to go skiing in mid-Jan! Laughing

It feels like Scotland and Wales put the additional restrictions in at the right time, and it was the right thing to do - but Boris didn't want to impose any restrictions before Christmas for political reasons, with a view to potentially putting some in place post Christmas. However, what it has done is give his advisors a precious few additional days of data, and (for the reasons you've stated above) it could be a case that actually further restrictions aren't needed at all. At least from a UK point of view - I guess it comes down to whether hospitilisations in France follow the same pattern.
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Brexit blah blah blah

...but like you say let’s keep the thread focused.

...

Cheers



Love these types of post: "I will have my off-topic say, and then can everyone else please keep on topic."

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Back on topic, 8th Jan (Saturday week) we are scheduled to travel to France. Does anyone have any idea when I will know either way whether we will be able to?
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@ringingmaster, me too Toofy Grin
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@stodge, errr, no? Apparently a meeting on 5th, but uk not really a priority I don't believe, especially after holidays finished.
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stodge wrote:
Back on topic, 8th Jan (Saturday week) we are scheduled to travel to France. Does anyone have any idea when I will know either way whether we will be able to?


Simple answer is no. The bigger question is, how late can you leave it before you can cancel (and hopefully move) your holiday without incurring costs.

Lots of speculation that there might be a further announcement in the new year (on the 5th potentially?) but it's all speculation - so, as mentioned, the bigger question is, what is the impact of holding your nerve till the 5th and then then finding restrictions aren't lifted.
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Supposed to be flying to Geneva for a week in Morzine on 16th January. Everything crossed.

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Handy Turnip wrote:
stodge wrote:
Back on topic, 8th Jan (Saturday week) we are scheduled to travel to France. Does anyone have any idea when I will know either way whether we will be able to?


Simple answer is no. The bigger question is, how late can you leave it before you can cancel (and hopefully move) your holiday without incurring costs.

Lots of speculation that there might be a further announcement in the new year (on the 5th potentially?) but it's all speculation - so, as mentioned, the bigger question is, what is the impact of holding your nerve till the 5th and then then finding restrictions aren't lifted.


We’ve got flights on 3/1 - can move those within 2hrs, car can be cancelled 48hrs before. Not expecting to travel on 3rd, but will then book for 6th Jan (in case something changes on 5th), then will simply move them back a week at a time. Pretty hopeful we’ll be ok after 15th at least…
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Handy Turnip wrote:
JamesHJ wrote:


It is the UK who are obsessed with France. Nobody even mentions the UK in FR outside of a few isolated ski resort bubbles.



Outside of us skiiers, I don't believe that anyone in the UK is particularly bothered about the current French travel restrictions at all.


Correct. We know a few people who are blissfully unaware of the Franve travel ban rolling eyes .
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We re-booked our holiday over NY to Feb half term. Really hope we will be able to go then. We can cancel the accommodation before 20th Jan for a full refund if need be, so I hope there will have been a new announcement by then.
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@andy from embsay, I have heard 15th via someone on the ground as well but on here been reminded it’s purely speculating Embarassed
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Skimum1 wrote:
@andy from embsay, I have heard 15th via someone on the ground as well but on here been reminded it’s purely speculating Embarassed


Well it’s a bit more than speculation as the 15th is when the decree runs out - so they have to make a decision then to either renew or let it expire. Before that they don’t have to do anything, and as they’ve not even mentioned it since it came in on 18/12 then it may well be they won’t. But on 15/1 they have to do something.
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@andy from embsay, it is a little bit of optimism to hold on to. We should have been skiing at the moment, and rather by chance chose 15th as the day to move our crossing forwards to. (We would hope to get a bit of advance warning though of whether to set off).

In practice our Covid infections would have stopped us skiing anyway - even if the French border was open we would have to wait until all our vaccination records are restored next week.
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@j b, at least there’s the slight positive that weather’s been awful where we’d have been going (PdS) and most people are staying indoors playing ludo…
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We just got back from Alpe d'Huez. Our holiday was due to start on the Saturday the restrictions come into force, but luckily managed to book a last minute ferry crossing from Dover for 21:30 Friday before 23:00 deadline. Needless to say the traffic going into Dover was horrendous and our ferry left the docks a few minutes before 23:00! At check in, no one checked our vaccination status or our negative covid tests, they just asked whether we were vaccinated, we said "yes" and they waved us through!

At the resort, the only time we were asked for our health pass was to enter the sports centre to pick up my parking pass. Didn't go to any restaurants, just got takeout and groceries at the local Spar and shops. One of my kids only has the 1st vaccination and therefore couldn't get a health pass so need to do a test every 24hours to get a negative test certificate. Again, no one checked our health passes or negative covid test results to use the ski lifts and gondolas. I brought along a load of NHS lateral flow tests for daily checking for ourselves, but since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case. The only requirement was to ensure we were wearing a mask. That said, no one insisted on FPP2 masks, many people were just using their snoods!

Apart from the mask wearing, checking passes and covid tests was pretty much non-existent and it was pretty much normal activities in the resort, though less busy on the slopes and lifts than was to be expected. Also journey back to the UK, the roads were quiet and door to door resort to home took a total of 13 hours in the car!
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@Jonc172, well done, pleased to hear someone managed to get away successfully. And it seems that you timed it perfectly to avoid the warm spell which is apparently affecting the French Alps at the moment.

(And since that looks like your first post - welcome to the forum).
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another planet wrote:
Does anyone know anyone that has flown into Geneva and taken bus to France please? Meant to be going on Sunday!!!


+1 , we are booked for Tuesday
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another planet wrote:
Does anyone know anyone that has flown into Geneva and taken bus to France please? Meant to be going on Sunday!!!


+1 , we are booked for Tuesday


For a ski holiday in France? Against the rules surely..
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Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes
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@JamesHJ,

Sorry but silly laws are there to be broken. Mind you, I’m not sure I’d have publicised doing it Eh oh!


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j b wrote:
@Jonc172, well done, pleased to hear someone managed to get away successfully. And it seems that you timed it perfectly to avoid the warm spell which is apparently affecting the French Alps at the moment.

(And since that looks like your first post - welcome to the forum).


Very Happy The last few days to the run up to the start of the holiday was one of the most stressful times in my life trying to organise and get everything in place for a Friday departure. Very Happy I wouldn't say the timing was perfect, it was pure chance Very Happy
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22 dropout wrote:

Yes. We have french residency which allows us to come and go under the current rules. Came back for Christmas.

As an update, the powers that gave rise to the current restrictions on UK travellers expire on 15th January. At that point they will either have to be extended or altered. Unless Monsieur le President says something tomorrow the 15th Jan becomes the key date.


Did you fly back via CH? And if so did they check your French passenger locator form at the Swiss (GVA) border?
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@JamesHJ,

Sorry but silly laws are there to be broken.
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JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


You should know, I also broke the speed limit by a few kilometres an hour on the French Autoroutes to and from Calais...
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Jonc172 wrote:
JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


You should know, I also broke the speed limit by a few kilometres an hour on the French Autoroutes to and from Calais...


Maybe you f****d your secretary as well, we all make choices based on our own morals. It is still not wise to boast about it though snowHead
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JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


You should know, I also broke the speed limit by a few kilometres an hour on the French Autoroutes to and from Calais...


Maybe you f****d your secretary as well, we all make choices based on our own morals. It is still not wise to boast about it though snowHead

If you took it as a boast I can't help you, that wasn't my intention. But then expect nothing less from the self appointed morality police. I think I'll leave it here to keep this thread on topic. Have a nice day...
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Given how many people lost ski holidays,££££ and how many businesses are close to folding as a result of abiding by the rules, it is very poor form to post about your intention to break them for your own pleasure.
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I also don’t see how it would have helped fiddling with a PDF when presumably you couldn’t change the QR details which is what they would have scanned with TAC. But you weren’t caught so I guess it didn’t matter.
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Whilst it isn't something I would do, to be fair, he was testing his family everyday with the LFT's that he bought with him. If the reason he was doing it was to avoid having to do any testing, or to sneak someone onto the lift who was positive - then I can see the outcry. However, he was doing it to avoid paying the money for something that wasn't being checked. The reason why we have to pay for the tests is because (some) people can't be trusted to do the tests honestly themselves. However, he was self-policing effectively.

As mentioned, it isn't something I would do, or would condone, and I definitely wouldn't post it on a public forum but personally as long as he was effectively testing himself and his family, and keeping others safe, then I don't see it as the worst crime in the world.
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Crystal just emailed to confirm they’re pulling my trip on 16th Jan to La Rosiere (2nd aborted trip this season) and seem really on the ball and they have also given me a voucher for additional 10% discount for next booking which in the circumstances seems above and beyond as these guys must be suffering.

They definitely will be my first port of call for when I re-enter the fray to try and book 3rd attempt at getting on the slopes soon.
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JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


I think Jonc172 may still have used daily LFTs - but the free ones instead of the bought ones. Isn't that the case? Puzzled
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JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


I think JHJ may still have used daily LFTs - but the free ones instead of the bought ones. Is that the case? Puzzled


Yes, that's the way I read it - so he was testing himself and his family every day, just not using the official route.
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Jonc172 wrote:
JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


You should know, I also broke the speed limit by a few kilometres an hour on the French Autoroutes to and from Calais...

Very Happy Very Happy
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Nadenoodlee wrote:
Given how many people lost ski holidays,££££ and how many businesses are close to folding as a result of abiding by the rules, it is very poor form to post about your intention to break them for your own pleasure.

Again, it wasn't a boast and my circumstances would have made absolutely no difference to those who sadly lost their ski holidays. I spent several thousands of pounds supporting the local businesses of the resort rather than let the restrictions beat me and instead insist on refunds or postponing of my holiday which would impact the economy of the resort.
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Skimum1 wrote:
I also don’t see how it would have helped fiddling with a PDF when presumably you couldn’t change the QR details which is what they would have scanned with TAC. But you weren’t caught so I guess it didn’t matter.

The test certificates did not have QR codes and when it was checked, they just looked at the date and time of certificate for the negative result.
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JamesHJ wrote:
Jonc172 wrote:
... since no one checked negative test certificates for one of my kids, I stopped paying for the daily tests and used a PDF editor to edited the date and time of the certificate for each of the remaining days just in case


So... in a climate where many UK skiers are desperate for borders to re-open, to ski, to visit their appartments, maybe their family etc, you decided to break French law. You then boast about it on an open forum?

Chapeau! Still those damned Frogs need our money so much that it probably doesn't matter right? rolling eyes


I think JHJ may still have used daily LFTs - but the free ones instead of the bought ones. Is that the case? Puzzled


Yes, that's the way I read it - so he was testing himself and his family every day, just not using the official route.

Yes, I was testing everyone everyday using the NHS LFTs before heading out to the slopes. I did buy the Randox LFTs for the daily testing which issues the certificates (officially accepted according to their website) but given the notice of the restrictions, they did not arrive in time so took the NHS ones instead. Spent in excess of £600 in total just on test kits for the holiday including the day2 PCR tests!
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208k cases latest announced figure! Have to admire the French, as in Sport, just when you think they're on a loosing streak, they're able to get right back in the game and trounce the opposition Eh oh! Eh oh!
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