 Poster: A snowHead
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My skiing is a bit old school, I like to ski with quite a forward lean. My shins press the front of the boots.
Current boots have an option of 13, 15 or 17 degrees forward lean, came out of the box on 15.
I read that modern wider rockered skis allow a more upright stance, the skis I'll be on the season are traditional shaped (tips and tails on snow, raised in middle) parabolic piste skis with a 85mm waist, 16m radius. Am I right in thinking that the forward lean of 17 degrees will work fine with that kind of ski. Is 15 ok, will 2 degrees make any noticeable difference? Just I cannot get the adjustment powershift thingy to move onto the 17 position, the upper cuff is hard against the lower boot shell at 15 and will not move anymore.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Sat 20-11-21 13:04; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am far from an expert in this area - but I think there are various factors that influence the decision ie. Your flexibility and range of movement; Your physiology; Binding Delta Angle; Preference.
IMV. Leaning on the front of your boots is not a good thing, as it makes the tails of the skis too light. Your weight should be central, but moving fore/aft, in a way to keep you in balance.
This needs to be assessed by a Bootfitter....but if I had to guess, the middle option is more likely to be the best option.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You can't drive your skis properly if you are standing upright; the geometry doesn't work. There are some very upright stances around these days and some very average skiing. I think it works of you want to ski backwards in the park, otherwise you need a decent angle, even if it makes your legs ache!
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| Klamm Franzer wrote: |
| You can't drive your skis properly if you are standing upright; the geometry doesn't work. There are some very upright stances around these days and some very average skiing. I think it works of you want to ski backwards in the park, otherwise you need a decent angle, even if it makes your legs ache! |
I am not saying you should ski upright.
IME. Big angles are created by good technique, such as balancing against the outside ski; Creating high edge angles; Long Leg/Short Leg; Toppling; Flex to transition etc etc - not by extra forward lean in your ski boots.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Klamm Franzer wrote: |
| ... I think it works of you want to ski backwards in the park, otherwise you need a decent angle, even if it makes your legs ache! |
Oh, that we call "park stance" and it's not uncommon in people of a certain age. Not racers, of course.
I would not over think it. Try whatever you have and see how it feels. There are lots of variables and you
can't really just program something in and expect it to all work. Try it, tweak it if necessary, rinse and repeat.
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Andi who works with CEM offers stance balancing as a service. It works very well.
As I understand it something like the upper end of the Atomic race line has 16-18 degrees of forward lean. My Lange Freetours have 12-14.
Good skier can work with either but Andi found that I had to flatten or reverse binding delta in order to achieve a balanced stance with more forward lean in the boot.
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If you were on the dancefloor 'doing the twist', you'd need a bit of forward lean, same with skiing... And dancing in ski boots!
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I ski Atomic Redster Pros on piste and like a fairly aggressive forward lean, 16 degrees without the spoiler which adds another 2. Great with SL and GS skis. But using those boots off piste with fat skis throws up a lot of issues, mainly in that it is fairly rare that you need to put much power into an edge, landing jumps is uncomfortable and you re pretty much locked into a driving position with reduced nuance to react to conditions.
So the skis designed for that type of skiing have also been designed to work on a more centrally balanced and slightly more upright stance. I once tried putting the Redster spoilers in my freeride boots and it was a disaster, those 2 extra degrees, while fine on piste, really compromised anything I did off piste.
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| Klammertime wrote: |
| ...is there any way to physically measure the angle from vertical... |
Android has free apps which will do a 'clino job.
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With race snowboards forward lean is crucial, and different for each foot. How much you need depends a bit on the board geometry and design too. Not directly relevant, but what I mean is... you need to try it and feel what you need, then set that. Boots like the Atomic Backland do have less forward lean than you may expect, perhaps because they're "touring" focused. Aftermarket lean adjusters are available for that reason.
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Surely the obvious answer here is to ski for an hour in the "factory" position then have a coffee, adjust the forward lean while drinking it, then go for another hour on the same terrain. should be easy enough to do and could be done in a fridge before you go away. you might feel a difference and prefer one and you may not be able to tell. go ski it and make up your own mind, everyone on here will have preference but no one can tell you how you will feel.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Some wise words there andy'n'netty.
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I would not over think it.
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This.
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You know it makes sense.
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Yup, play round and see what works for you.
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