Selva to sieser alm question

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Looking at the piste maps it looks possible to go from piz sella down to monte pana then pick up the bus to sieser alm. The dolomiti superski app says this is impossible. I know that some pistes on the app aren’t there and others are. The family would be up for the trip but don’t take kindly if I got them so far and there was a non existent slope. I’ve been there before and the grief comes in from all sides with varying degrees of humour and annoyance.
So it would be good to know first hand if this is indeed possible
Thabks

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It’s a great ski there if there isn’t a bus. Ski down Sasslong, travelator across the car park into funicular station, walk across platform to Col Raiser gondola, bit of poling and a red through trees, couple of chairs, then La Longa to Ortisei. That’s as far as I got but apparently there’s a funicular under the gondola that takes you across Ortisei and near the gondola up to Alpe di Suisi.

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Yep, looks like bus 12 still runs from Monte Pana to Saltria...

https://www.silbernagl.it/fileadmin/user_upload/Silbernagl/pdf/Winter_22-23/aush_12_w22_web.pdf

€4.50 single €8 return

You could do the 'Val Gardena Ronda' circuit which includes a tour of Alpi di Siusi

https://www.val-gardena.com/en/tours/detail/ski-circuit-val-gardena-ronda/

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Here's the map of the route:

https://www.valgardena.it/dl/stchristina/pdf/val-gardena-ski-ronda.pdf

The map shows the route going anti clockwise, up to Seceda, down La Longia to Ortisei, up to Alpi di Siusi, the bus to Monte Pana.

But I think you can work your way round clockwise too using the piste that goes down from Mont Seuc down to Ortisei.

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@HugoC, Al the times I have taken that route, there has been a bus - its a bumpy ride! Toofy Grin

https://www.opensnowmap.org/#map=15/11.726/46.538&b=snowmap&m=false&h=false

its a nice ride on ski under Sassolungo

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@HugoC,if you take the Piz Sella cable car from Plan de Gralba when you get out from the cable car you walk out onto an open air restaurant terrace. From the terrace there are two possible ways of skiing down, only one of which will take you to Monte Pana. Off to the right hand side of the terrace between a gap in the buildings there's the entrance to quite a tricky short black run, you don't want to take that one. Off to the left hand side of the terrace there's a wider slope, if you ski down a few hundred yards keeping to the right hand side there's a sign off to the right pointing to Monte Pana. It's a nice run down to Monte Pana and from there you catch the bus to Seiser Alm. For more info about the bus trip (which I call the Magical Mystery Bus

) see this thread: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156121#4814606

The bus drops you off at Saltria on the Seiser Alm. Note that when you've skied all the way across the Seiser Alm from there you no longer have to download to Ortisei on the gondola, there's the option of using the new red run piste down to Ortisei that was opened last season, well worth doing, see this post: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=4925467&highlight=piste+seiser+alm+ortisei#4925467

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@Alastair Pink, is correct. That black run is rather short but can be butt-puckering by midday as it gets scraped off. Just take the second option he describes. It's run 52 on the map. Keep going past the lift to your left after about a km or so...iirc there are some parts of that run are flattish so not ideal for snowboarders?

I also recommend taking the "new" red run down from the Alpe to Ortisei. Great views, not too narrow, can get a little icy by days end but manageable for most skiers.

One thing to consider is how you will get back from Ortisei to whereever you need to be (if you've done the Alpe before, ignore this...). There's no easy way back, but there are choices. If you take the bus back from Saltria you can go up and down from Monte Pana, but be aware that the wait can be longish and bus packed. From the base of the Ortisei cable car you can bus back up the valley or take a ski taxi (not a bad deal for 4 people). Finally, you could also bootpack across Ortisei proper to the cable car to Seceda but it's a longish walk...

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@HugoC,
I would recommend skiing the Val Gardena Ronda anti-clockwise:
Down fabulous Saslong (red or World Cup black) to Santa Cristina.
Up underground funicular and gondola to Col Raiser and chair to Seceda.
Down fabulous 11km-long La Longia to Ortisei.
Walk across Ortisei (escalators and travelator only take you part of the way unfortunately!)
Up gondola to Mount Seuc.
Ski over to Seiser Alm via 61 Steger Dellai 2-seater chair.
If you’ve time, lunch at Gostner Schwaïge &/or visit Laurin terrain park (even to watch others on huge ramps) &/or timed GS run on Spitzbuhl.
Up 62 Panorama and 74 Paradiso chairs.
Fast cruise down to Saltria bus stop.
If there’s time, up 65 Florian and back down.
Bus (fitted with snow chains) from Saltria to Monte Pana through forest - magical! (See Luigi’s post above about fares and timetables. Get to the bus stop at least 10 mins before the bus is due. Don’t expect anyone to respect an orderly queue. Pair up and one of you load skis while the other gets on the bus. Just don’t miss the last bus!)
Up 23 Mont Seura chair, down a short way and up 21 Tramans chair.
Down to Selva, either via Plan de Gralba or 22 Piza Pranseies chair and down red or black Ciampioni.
It’s an amazing day out! You’ll have earned a cold one when you get back!!

^^what's cool about that is you get to see just how amazing the ski infrastructure is in the valley. Underground trains, moving sidewalks, buses. Although no heated chairs, I think?

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@Pasigal, there are various heated 8-seater chairs in Selva (above Plan de Gralba), but I think none on the Val Gardena Ronda circuit, though it’s been 3 years since I did it last.

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Here's a Google Maps link to the 11-minute walking route from the bottom of the Seceda gondola to the Ortisei-Seiser Alm gondola via the travelators in the Curta pedestrian tunnel at Ortisei:
https://goo.gl/maps/VKtPsWkPmRqCoW6D9

And here are the travelators in the tunnel:

And here's Seceda:

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thanks everyone. we'll be coming up the to Col rondella from Val di fassa as rather than from the sella ronda resorts. I've never done this bit as my wife loathes selva in the morning, and i get "why are we here in these queues when i could be on prolongia.. " We're staying in Moena with the plan to ski the smaller val di fassa/val di femme and probably civetta too. I know some people have done reports before. i plan to do one, but probably not as detailed from the perspective of a family of 4 with two teens, no one wants to go on anything more than a "medium red" (other reasons to dislike selva) or anything too crowded and we all need a lovely lunch (not a cafe but not lux) I hope that would be something people would find interesting. I have been told I'm not allowed to discuss my route plans for the family for at least another two weeks...

On the subject of seiser alm, I’m coming to selva soon for the first time and was told Sunday would be my busiest day so find somewhere quiet to ski, would this area be good for a whole day of gentle cruising? Was thinking of catching bus directly to ortisei to make a day of it, good idea or not?

You know it makes sense.

this looks pretty straightforward and we've done most of the constituent parts (except the bus) but has anyone here actually done this route in a single day ? I'm wondering if it's an chilled day or not.

Also, if so what direction, we were planning a day in Seiser Alm so I was thinking about doing this clockwise from Ortisei so you end up in Seiser Alm and know how much time you've got but then you miss the lovely long red from the top of Seceda Puzzled

cheers

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@Scrunch77, appreciate the reply, will pencil that it in for my first days skiing then

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@rizzotherock, suisi was a lot of fun and at least last week was much quieter than selva. Punta d oro the best run , spitzbul was icy . Highly recommended a day there

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@Harrow lady, thanks for that, I’m gonna bus it from selva to ortisei on the Sunday and explore this area I’ve decided, hopefully enough there to keep me amused for the day

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Regarding the Saslong lifts (and slope), here's the review I wrote for Google maps (visit https://goo.gl/maps/wW7c5DVscyCeP3VDA to read all the reviews):
Stay away from the Saslong gondola that departs from St. Christina, take the ski bus to Selva (Wolkenstein) instead. The owner of the Saslong lifts has gone crazy and forces skiers to take a long and dangerous detour. The direct link (left turn) between the Saslong gondola and the Sochers/Ciampinoi ( Nr. 18 ) chair lift to Chiampinoi has been barred. Now you have to turn right, walk or push some 200 meters, cross the Saslong slope and take the Sochers ( Nr. 19 ) chair lift, crossing the Saslong slope again to reach lift nr. 18. A dangerous and very unnecessary detour, aimed to make more money with lift nr. 19.
Here's the page with information on ski busses in Val Gardena: https://www.valgardena.it/en/bus-schedule/#c4947

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@Manja, thanks for that useful information (seems crazy that they apparently now stop you from using the chairlift no.18 when you get out at the top coming up from St.Christina), and welcome to snowHeads!

P.S just one point, the lift from St. Christina isn't a cable car, it's a gondola.

@Manja, Thanks for the info

For those interested - you can see some of the new fencing on webcams - https://valgardena.panomax.com/ciampinoi

and the new route - https://www.tageszeitung.it/2023/01/01/der-zaun-des-anstosses/

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I did wonder what all that fencing was about,
they also have two big guys patrolling the area. Now I understand… I suppose they check no one jump the fence, we were really puzzled on what they were doing.

I didn’t know that the lift system is owned by different people, I wonder how they split the income

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@Manja, I had to take this ridiculous detour when there in December which makes you walk/push over the piste before then crossing the busy Saslong slope to take the lift 19 to then ski back down to lift 18 which is only 20 metres from where you originally got out the Santa Christina Gondola.
Mad & causing the possibility of missing lifts to return to Selva or further afield at the end of the day.
Hope they see sense & stop this.

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@Harrow lady, that is bonkers!

You know it makes sense.

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Thanks Luigi, makes sense .

Just hope they see reason and remove the fence, it is a challenging run for a beginner especially early morning when the snow is hard.

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@Manja, Geen probleem! snowHead

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Can I resurrect the discussion about this to ask whether you are allowed to go back up lift 18 if you ski down to it from, but don’t proceed further down to S Christina?

Also, if you do go down to S Christina, how easy is it to get across to lift 15 instead of taking the Saslong Gondola back up? Is that any less painful? I can see it would involve 2 or 3 chairs to the same area-ish…

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@swoafs, "..ask whether you are allowed to go back up lift 18 if you ski down to it from, but don’t proceed further down to S Christina?" - Yes, just make sure you keep right and ski direct to the bottom of 18.

Getting to 15? not done it, sorry

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It’s a pita faff now. Skiing down to st Christina you have to remove your skis at the top of the gondola (coming back up from st Christina) go through, what can only be described as a curtain, pass left across the unloading exit of the gondola, then pole uphill to get back on track.
Coming back uphill is even more bizarre as you realise that the curtain is one way, with a guard in place. You can see the chair back up to Ciampinoi through the curtain as you get off the gondola but you have to pole to the chair on the right, ride it and ski back down to 20m from where you got off the gondola.
Not the nicest surprise when you are trying to get home to Arabba after doing La Longia.

Re: getting to Seiser Alm: ski down La Longia, directly behind and below gondola at the bottom is a tunnel with a travelator. Turn left at the end there is an escalator. Then short walk through Ortisei

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