 Poster: A snowHead
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I decided to order a new airbag, and have had my eye on the Scott E1, which has a rechargeable battery rather than a canister. I'm only 163cm tall, so ordered the 22L which is SL (short length), but subsequently found out that the 30L is also available in SL as well as the longer version for full-sized adults. Having already placed the order for the 22L, but still being unsure which was best for me, I ordered a 30L SL as well, with the intention of sending one back.
I weighed and did a pack test with both models, and took some photos as that may help someone else decide.
Orange – 22L (only available in SL), 2.5kg empty, 799.95€
Blue – 30L SL, 2.7kg empty, 767.20€
The blue one has a goggle pocket on the outside front, which makes it a little bit taller, but the back area is the same size.
As you can see, the battery unit takes up quite a lot of space. Also note the different designs of the shovel and probe storage area in the front flap. The larger bag has a much deeper pocket which keeps everything in place a lot better when opening the main zip.
This is what is going in:
In that picture, you can see:
Skins
Lightweight down jacket
Gloves
Mid layer fleece
Protein bars
Shovel
Probe
Ski lock
Camera and spare battery
First aid kit
Penknife and tools
Glove liners
Goggles
Sunglasses
Buff
Emergency blanket
Water bottle
Hat
I don't always pack everything there, and some items I would probably be wearing, but assuming I've forgotten something, it's representative. I don't own any crampons, so you won't see those.
First up, the 22L. As you can see, the jumper doesn't fit and would have to be attached to the outside 
It's pretty rammed in there.
The 30L packs much more comfortably.
There's still a fair bit of space in both pockets:
It weighs in at 6.9kg when packed with this stuff, including a full water bottle, and fits me like this:
I think the 30L wins for me, as I can't justify spending 800€ on a bag that won't fit all my stuff in. Even if I'm wearing the mid layer, I'd still like some space for a buttie!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If anyone wants any measurements or info about the orange 22L, be quick as it will shortly be heading back to the retailer.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| .......I think the 30L (SL) wins for me..... |
Told ya 
Buying the 22L E1 is follie for all but the severely vertically challenged.
+1 for for clip-on water bottles but get one that's collapsable when empty to take up less space. My favourite is this one as it's bomber and has the bite value so it just hangs upside down: https://www.wiggle.co.uk/camelbak-quick-stow-flask-500ml
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I could really do with a full @spyderjon demo of this, but failing that I have some questions:
Assuming I’ll be mains charging with the USB, should I also still add the 2x AA batteries?
Does the helmet carrier attach to the daisy chains?
What is the bottom centre Velcro tab for? Ice axe stabilisation?
To carry skis diagonally, pull the tab on the wire next to aforementioned Velcro tab, slide skis in and clip with the strap at the top?
To carry skis on the sides, just use the upper and lower side clips?
Why does the bottom of the shovel pocket have Velcro seals?
Poles just go through the loops that are also for ice axes? Any way to secure the bottoms?
What is the large loop for inside the top left?
I assume I need to charge it before it will inflate, so expect more questions when I’ve figure that out 
Anything I’ve missed? Why is none of this in the manual?
Ta very much.
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Assuming I’ll be mains charging with the USB, should I also still add the 2x AA batteries?
If you want an in-the-field recharge then you need to add the batteries. Power will only be drawn from the batteries once the bag has been deployed.
Does the helmet carrier attach to the daisy chains?
Yep
What is the bottom centre Velcro tab for? Ice axe stabilisation?
Yep
To carry skis diagonally, pull the tab on the wire next to aforementioned Velcro tab, slide skis in and clip with the strap at the top?
Yep. But IMO it's always worth taking the extra couple of mins to use the side/A frame carry as the skis are waaaay more stable etc.
To carry skis on the sides, just use the upper and lower side clips?
Yep. Put ya poles though there as well. With tech bindings (apart from the Shift) you can clip/close the toe wings around the pole shaft.
Why does the bottom of the shovel pocket have Velcro seals?
If you have a shovel handle or probe that's longer than the pocket you can slide them through the velrco opening so that they protrude in the bottom of the main cargo area.
Poles just go through the loops that are also for ice axes? Any way to secure the bottoms?
Never tried that, see above.
What is the large loop for inside the top left?
Dunno. If you find a use let me know
I assume I need to charge it before it will inflate
Yep.
Anything I’ve missed?
Have you found the crotch strap tucked away in its pouch on the underside of the pack?
Why is none of this in the manual?
Cos men (being idiots) never read manuals.
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What's a snowboard?
Also the mesh bag/cover that come with the pack makes a good laundry bag when travelling.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
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What is the large loop for inside the top left?
Dunno. If you find a use let me know |
Intriguing. It’s definitely a deliberate attachment. |
I haven't seen the Patrol backpack yet, but I'm sure I have a pack somewhere with a loop like that, which I always assumed was to attach a carabiner to, so that you could hook things that you didn't want falling to the bottom (like cameras) to.
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I’ve seen that on some climbing packs too - I’d guess it’s for clipping gear to.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Those loops I think, and I've seen guides using them to carry rope etc externally to the pack.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
| Those loops I think, and I've seen guides using them to carry rope etc externally to the pack. |
This is the single big loop on the inside of the pack.
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You know it makes sense.
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My bet is somewhere to attach a water bladder to stop it slipping down to the bottom of the pack.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Was just talking to my Scott rep about this. As that loop is very similar to the loop that's on the waistband of the 40L packs our guess is that it could be for the same purpose, ie carabiners storage. He's asked Scott's HQ to comment.
Scarlet, for snowboard carry you extend the side carry ski straps to come around/over the pack. You'll see that the clasp arrangement on each side aren't symetrical meaning that when the straps meet in the middle you get a male/female connector.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| for snowboard carry you extend the side carry ski straps to come around/over the pack. You'll see that the clasp arrangement on each side aren't symetrical meaning that when the straps meet in the middle you get a male/female connector. |
Ah ok, gotcha. I'm guessing snowshoes must attach in the same way.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Scarlet wrote: |
One more, I know I don’t have one, but how do you attach a snowboard? |
Ah himself has succeeded in turning you to the darkside? You'll be hanging out down the Burton store talking about your Lobster 360 Flipflops Bearnaise style.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Dave of the Marmottes, More in case he needed to borrow it tbh. He's got a beep and everything now 
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| .....Ah ok, gotcha. I'm guessing snowshoes must attach in the same way. |
And to carry your stilettos just hook the heels through the equipment loops 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| Was just talking to my Scott rep about this. As that loop is very similar to the loop that's on the waistband of the 40L packs our guess is that it could be for the same purpose, ie carabiners storage. He's asked Scott's HQ to comment. |
Yep, just confirmed by Scott HQ as a "gear loop for carabiners" - or for anything else you want to clip-on/hold in place.
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@spyderjon, that guy holding it this morning is Woodsie, who runs Scott UK, we had a bit of a giggle over it all
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| Weathercam wrote: |
| @spyderjon, that guy holding it this morning is Woodsie, who runs Scott UK, we had a bit of a giggle over it all |
I presumed it would be as I know he lives your way. Top bloke.
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I’’ve had the E1 30L for a few seasons which has been great for day touring but does take some Tetris skills to ensure it’s packed efficiently when taking the kitchen sink. I have added a shoulder strap water carrier as recommended by @Weathercam. Couple if add-ons this summer will include elastic cord lacing through the daisy chain loops to provide external storage of jacket without having to open the bag. Will also be adding a pouch on the hip belt for quick access to phone, haribos etc. I find the storage stuff pouch for the crotch belt impractical and in now just what the strap around yeh hip belt when not using. @spyderjon was so right to recommend the 30L.
I do however find it a little bulky for lift off-piste days as it is essentially empty apart from avalanche kit, a spare mid layer, goggle lens, sunglasses and hat. I wish the side straps could compress some more. As such I am thinking of getting a 22L as I spend much more time wearing the bag for lift days than touring days. Does anyone know if the 22L has a thinner / compact profile or is is simply a shorter 30L bag?
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@Ozboy, E1 Patrol pack sizes are:
30 NL - H60 x W28 x D19cm
30 SL - H57 x W28 x D19cm
22 - H54 x W26 x D19cm
If you already have the 30 then it's pointless getting the 22.
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