 Poster: A snowHead
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OK, I know this has been discussed elsewhere but I am looking for any factual insight in relation to a specific circumstance which has a pressing time limit on it:
I need to decide by close of play Monday 11th whether we (family of three) buy our Super-Promo MBU passes for Chamonix.
Myself and the missus are all good as we are double jabbed and have used French Pass Sanitaire in the past.
My daughter is only 15, won't be 16 until May of '22 and as yet is unjabbed but I assume will be offered one jab imminently.
One jab is no good for Pass Sanitaire so I was thinking not to buy as regular testing would add up, maybe therefore reduce how long we spend in France and so make the passes seem dear. Also there is the risk of lifts going to Pass required which would mean testing 2+ times a week (whereas if it was just restos/bars we might test once a week to get access for 3 days then 4 days of home cooking (and drinking for the 18+).
BUT, this morning (at 5am) we got confirmation of a positive PCR. So by start of skis season she will have recovered (I hope) and have one jab.
This is ok for Pass Sanitaire, except how do we prove it?? I've been told to register her infection on the NHS app (not Covid app) but will that help in any way. Once jabbed she will still not be 'complete' on her UK record as UK does not see infection plus single jab as complete.
Final wringle is that her infection is early Oct, does that mean it expires in French eyes by early April, in which case the 3 week Easter hols could be expensive? Or might the fact she will get one jab within 6 months of infection and recovery mean that she is complete in French eyes (if we can figure out how to prove it)?
Anyone got any ideas? I'm sure a poster on another thread said these son was ok in France this summer after using their UK infection record and first jab as an 18 yr old,but how?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Plus, the plan was to drive down on the 15th Oct and leave a car for season**, flying back. That's not going to happen, but if she perks up quick (and the missus and I stay clear) maybe we can get down for a few days before the end of Oct (when our return transfer/flight/train is booked) whilst still honestly attesting that no one has had symptoms for 14 days (her UK isolation finishes on the 11th so that bit is easy).
** before anyone points out we shouldn't, we actually switch out the car for another mid season to stay shiny side of the 6 month regs.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Plus Plus, with the dreaded in the house (despite currently testing neg myself) I don't feel it would be right to go handing out skis to all you nice peeps at Hemel and Manchester this weekend. Have no fear though, a flurry of logistics type phone calls today has meant the hatching of a plan to send another Whitedot'er to Hemel and have Jon from The Piste Office bring you skis to try.
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Bloody Covid19!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I don’t believe the Pass Sanitaire was in place during the summer - so the requirements now are likely to be different now.
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I'm in a similar situation (apart from the length of time that I'll be skiing by the sounds of it!).
My 13yo has just recovered from Covid so technically eligible for the PS. But as far as I can tell there is no way the get this loaded up onto Tous Anti Covid.
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| Crashnburn wrote: |
| I don’t believe the Pass Sanitaire was in place during the summer - so the requirements now are likely to be different now. |
It was I reckon, we as adults were using it to get into bars and restos, but at 15yrs and accompanying us my daughter didn't need to use it then, she does now.
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In the 'Skiing in France 2021/2022 season' thread @Ricky B said:
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| The NHS app works for my 16-yr old - from memory, he has his vaccination record on there and his PCR positive test, from August, which we have also transferred to his French Anti-Covid app, for his Passe Sanitaire... It's all very confusing and possibly contradictory, tho, so I've held off booking anything at Xmas, til the muddied waters become clearer. |
It would be really good to have more detail on that................
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@midgetbiker, I think 16 is the pertinent point here. According to the .gov website, Covid recovery/vaccination data is only available for 16s and above
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
I'm in a similar situation (apart from the length of time that I'll be skiing by the sounds of it!).
My 13yo has just recovered from Covid so technically eligible for the PS. But as far as I can tell there is no way the get this loaded up onto Tous Anti Covid. |
Talk from @davidof (usually well informed) that PS is only going to be for vaccinated only - not testing and not (only) prior inf'n.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| Timmycb5 wrote: |
I'm in a similar situation (apart from the length of time that I'll be skiing by the sounds of it!).
My 13yo has just recovered from Covid so technically eligible for the PS. But as far as I can tell there is no way the get this loaded up onto Tous Anti Covid. |
Talk from @davidof (usually well informed) that PS is only going to be for vaccinated only - not testing and not (only) prior inf'n. |
Blimey. They’re risking alienating all families form the U.K. then!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Timmycb5, does it look like "they" care? Anyhoo, what has the uk ever done for "them"?
Single jab plus infection works in France for adults, no idea how you'd prove it from the uk?
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@under a new name, well true. I almost feel embarrassed visiting France because of the country I’m from these days. Which is something I do multiple times a year normally.
Hopefully the U.K. get with the programme and starts double jabbing kids soon anyway.
By “they”, I meant the authorities in France making these decisions
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You know it makes sense.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| @midgetbiker, I think 16 is the pertinent point here. According to the .gov website, Covid recovery/vaccination data is only available for 16s and above |
Ok, been fiddling with the apps and online and yes: My daughter can log into NHS online and see her positive test. She has the NHS app and no doubt if she links it to her GP surgery she will also see her positive test result there. You can ask NHS for a Covid Status doc showing recovery (which has a QR code) via the app, online and by post BUT only if you are 16 or over!
Why, I have no idea? It's a bit arbitrary, and age'ist, especially as vax acceptance is decided by under 16's themselves, and not their parents/guardians.
Also you can't have the NHS Covid app unless you are 16, so the 8 digit PCR result code is no use to her as she has no app to put it in.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I wonder whether there is any mileage in contacting any French authority to see if they can generate a QR code if supplied with the written test result and then the written vax certificate (once she's done)?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Final thought is that on the French vax website it states what the process is if a foreign national (without CarteV) goes for a jab (temp health number and letter given showing vax status). Maybe the way to go is visit end of this month, get jab1, go back mid Dec, get jab2. Go skiing when lifts open.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
@under a new name, well true. I almost feel embarrassed visiting France because of the country I’m from these days. Which is something I do multiple times a year normally.
Hopefully the U.K. get with the programme and starts double jabbing kids soon anyway.
By “they”, I meant the authorities in France making these decisions |
I suspect uk derived tourism very low down their priorities.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| Timmycb5 wrote: |
@under a new name, well true. I almost feel embarrassed visiting France because of the country I’m from these days. Which is something I do multiple times a year normally.
Hopefully the U.K. get with the programme and starts double jabbing kids soon anyway.
By “they”, I meant the authorities in France making these decisions |
I suspect uk derived tourism very low down their priorities. |
Possibly not just U.K. tourism though. France is the most visited country in the world so the amount that tourism adds to the economy is significant.
Perhaps they have decided that EU tourism is enough and the ROW tourism take isn’t worth the risk.
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Sorry. Dumb Aussie here who is hoping to be skiing in France and Switzerland early April with a fully vaccinated family in tow.
Will we need to show proof of vaccination only or some kind of negative test to ski? Is the proof shown when buying a lift pass or each time you board the lift? I can’t imagine it would be each time you approach the lift.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| sbooker wrote: |
Sorry. Dumb Aussie here who is hoping to be skiing in France and Switzerland early April with a fully vaccinated family in tow.
Will we need to show proof of vaccination only or some kind of negative test to ski? Is the proof shown when buying a lift pass or each time you board the lift? I can’t imagine it would be each time you approach the lift. |
As it stands, in France, you don’t need the “pass sanitaire” to access ski lifts. If you have unvaccinated kids, they won’t be able to go to restaurants or cafes, etc, without the pass sanitaire. At the moment a PS can be done with proof of full vaccination, a negative test sub 72 hours, or proven infection and recovery within 6 months.
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^^^
Thanks
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| sbooker wrote: |
Sorry. Dumb Aussie here who is hoping to be skiing in France and Switzerland early April with a fully vaccinated family in tow.
Will we need to show proof of vaccination only or some kind of negative test to ski? Is the proof shown when buying a lift pass or each time you board the lift? I can’t imagine it would be each time you approach the lift. |
As it stands, in France, you don’t need the “pass sanitaire” to access ski lifts. If you have unvaccinated kids, they won’t be able to go to restaurants or cafes, etc, without the pass sanitaire. At the moment a PS can be done with proof of full vaccination, a negative test sub 72 hours, or proven infection and recovery within 6 months. |
Unvaxed kids 12yrs or over that is.
& isn't it infection and recovery plus one jab?
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