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You could try looking on the Italian health ministry site

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeMobileNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english
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A lot of info here also..

https://www.dgc.gov.it/web/faq.html
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richb67 wrote:
@king key,
got back couple of weeks ago, and don't think the process has changed so you don't need your second point 3 and do need your QR code or vaccine cert, so the list is

before
1) Need a 'Fit to Fly' test 48 hours max before flight
2) Need to fill in the EU Digital Passenger Locator Form (dPLF) up to 48 before departure [can prep way before hand].
3) Buy "Day 2" arrival lateral flow test & PLF booking reference for returning to the UK in advance of leaving.
+ need QR code for 2nd vaccine dose from NHS app

you might be asked by the airline to upload PLF, fit to fly result & vaccine proof

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4) Need to fill in the UK Passenger Locator Form up to 48 before departure [can create account beforehand to simplify process].
5) Take the "Day 2" test after getting home and upload the results [we didn't upload any results the tetsing company took care of that].
6) Go back to work and pay for all the above crap!

hope it all goes ahead will be good get up to date feedback, are you skiing ?

Is it ok to order the day 2 test after flying out but before coming back as well? Or do the airlines require the reference when boarding the outbound flight?
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Cookiemonsterhahaha wrote:

Is it ok to order the day 2 test after flying out but before coming back as well? Or do the airlines require the reference when boarding the outbound flight?


it's a UK thing so you just need a reference for the UK PLF so I guess you can order any time. IIRC c19testing sent through the code automatically within a few minutes of ordering
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I can't speak for airlines practices but I booked my day 2 test a few days before leaving Italy when driving home. Think it's the same for airlines. Your test code is needed for the PLF form on your return.
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Cookiemonsterhahaha wrote:
very helpful, thanks both!


Hope it wotks out!
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Sweedish wrote:
You could try looking on the Italian health ministry site

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeMobileNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english


Forgive my stupidity, BUT I still can't anything official that states whether 16 year children need one jab or two for a Green Pass.
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Jcosh wrote:
Sweedish wrote:
You could try looking on the Italian health ministry site

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeMobileNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english


Forgive my stupidity, BUT I still can't anything official that states whether 16 year children need one jab or two for a Green Pass.


I don't think it's stupidity there are lots of questions about that.

not having kids I don't really pay attention to that but have you tried the c19verifac app on the QR code for the one dose? that is the source of truth as far as establishments are concerned so if someone here could try that it might help (of course it might all change...)
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I can't answer it for you Jcosh..I'm just normal guy trying to offer some links that may help (as I am Italian and English) from my own experience and also not having kids means I've not really looked into it with any detail.

I'd have thought from what I've seen they would need 2 jabs though and if not they will need testing regularly. This may or may not be viable going forward wih the super green pass which removes some of that ability. Things keep changing in Italy and in Europe.

This article gives some more info suggesting kids over 12 have to meet the same green pass requirements as adults
https://www.skiclub.co.uk/info-and-advice/covid-restrictions-202122/italy


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richb67 wrote:
Jcosh wrote:
Sweedish wrote:
You could try looking on the Italian health ministry site

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeMobileNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english


Forgive my stupidity, BUT I still can't anything official that states whether 16 year children need one jab or two for a Green Pass.


I don't think it's stupidity there are lots of questions about that.

not having kids I don't really pay attention to that but have you tried the c19verifac app on the QR code for the one dose? that is the source of truth as far as establishments are concerned so if someone here could try that it might help (of course it might all change...)


Thanks, as I have tried to explain many times..

Son currently 15 with one jab, so the NHS is not available to him at present. He will turn 16 days prior to departure and can then download the NHS app to check his one jab status for getting a Green Pass. But that's leaving things very late!

Between now and then I am simply trying to understand if one for a 16 year old is enough to get a Green Pass, but nobody seems to know the answer. HELP!

Thanks.
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Sweedish wrote:
I can't answer it for you Jcosh..I'm just normal guy trying to offer some links that may help (as I am Italian and English) from my own experience and also not having kids means I've not really looked into it with any detail.

I'd have thought from what I've seen they would need 2 jabs though and if not they will need testing regularly. This may or may not be viable going forward wih the super green pass which removes some of that ability. Things keep changing in Italy and in Europe.

This article gives some more info suggesting kids over 12 have to meet the same green pass requirements as adults
https://www.skiclub.co.uk/info-and-advice/covid-restrictions-202122/italy


Thanks. Again, it is the same information as all other websites, with no clarity on one jab or two for 16 year olds.
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Jcosh wrote:
richb67 wrote:
Jcosh wrote:
Sweedish wrote:
You could try looking on the Italian health ministry site

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeMobileNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english


Forgive my stupidity, BUT I still can't anything official that states whether 16 year children need one jab or two for a Green Pass.


I don't think it's stupidity there are lots of questions about that.

not having kids I don't really pay attention to that but have you tried the c19verifac app on the QR code for the one dose? that is the source of truth as far as establishments are concerned so if someone here could try that it might help (of course it might all change...)


Thanks, as I have tried to explain many times..

Son currently 15 with one jab, so the NHS is not available to him at present. He will turn 16 days prior to departure and can then download the NHS app to check his one jab status for getting a Green Pass. But that's leaving things very late!

Between now and then I am simply trying to understand if one for a 16 year old is enough to get a Green Pass, but nobody seems to know the answer. HELP!

Thanks.


My bad...info corrected!

Looks like single jab is enough for current green pass but no update as for new super green pass.

It's not a going to be easy with travel and hoops to jump through sadly!


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That’s not correct - see what I wrote here, the current green pass only requires one jab (plus 15 days, though that’s not referenced in that link) : https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156480&start=480#4855832

You can demonstrate it with the VerificaC19 app, which is what is actually used on the ground in Italy to check compliance.

It *may* be the case that the super green pass changes that, but it’s not clear in any regs yet.
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And here in another thread I got a clarification from that suedtirol web site to the same effect https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156447#4843374

In particular this link: https://www.suedtirol.info/en/information/coronavirus/green-pass
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I’m going to jump in here, without a clear understanding of how the rules might have changed in the last weeks, but with recent experience of a trip to Sicily with a 13yr old and a 16 yr old at half-term, both unjabbed at that point. But just in case it helps…

We all needed fit2fly (and passenger locator form) to leave the UK - checked at Luton by EasyJet staff, who were very vigilant in checking it before we could drop our bags (having checked in online). All of this was easily done online, if a little pricey.

Once in Sicily, we were asked in a number (but not all) of restaurants to show our Green Pass. The NHS QR code was generally accepted, and everywhere except a museum was happy to let us in, even though the kids were unable to show a pass as UK & Italy vax requirements differed.

Where we encountered a problem was coming home because (at the time) all .gov, EasyJet and Ministeria sella Salute info was that you just needed to have booked a day 2 test, which you needed for your locator form. However, EasyJet (or Palermo airport) staff would not let the kids fly without a negative LFT within 24hrs of travel, done in a pharmacy, which would generate a QR code for the Green Pass.

Unfortunately, that required a mad dash in cab back from the airport to the nearest town, where they tested the kids, printed the result and gave us the paperwork, plus emailed a link to upload the result to the Italian equivalent of the NHS pass. Tests were about €20 each. Taxi was quite a bit more. And uploading it to the app proved impossible. But the QR codes were accepted. And we just made the flight. Some other Brits were less fortunate.

We were informed by the staff at the airport that the negative LFT was really only needed to access the departure lounge (according to Italian regs) rather than to board the plane. But necessary all the same.

Not sure if that helps, but I suppose the moral is… read the small print, don’t rely on airline/ travel agent (several people caught out at the same time called TA’s for advice, which was poor or at best uninformed) and check the local rules, as the Italians (rightly) will enforce govt regs.
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Does anybody know of a website or some where where we can get the latest info on which areas of Italy are in which zones for their lockdowns. I think they are white, yellow, orange and red?

Thanks.
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I think this is the Gov site for the zones....
https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&id=5367&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto
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Pejoli wrote:
That’s not correct - see what I wrote here, the current green pass only requires one jab (plus 15 days, though that’s not referenced in that link) : https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156480&start=480#4855832

You can demonstrate it with the VerificaC19 app, which is what is actually used on the ground in Italy to check compliance.

It *may* be the case that the super green pass changes that, but it’s not clear in any regs yet.


The info on this website:

https://www.suedtirol.info/en/information/coronavirus/green-pass

Says that a green pass can issued if;

"first vaccination against the coronavirus (the Green Pass is issued 15 days after receiving the first vaccination)". However, if I scan my 1 of 2 QR Code (ie my first dose) on the VerificaC19 App it comes up RED. But if I scan my 2 of 2 QR Code (ie my second dose) on the VerificaC19 App it comes up GREEN. Great for me as a double dosed adult.

However, I wonder how it will react to a 16 year old with a single dose? Has anybody tried this?
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Yes, I get the same behaviour for mine (only the 2/2 gets a green pass), but my 16 year old daughters 1/2 works fine (but shows ‘solo in Italia’ as you would expect).

As I replied to you last time you asked the same question …..

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=156447&start=80#4853746
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I'm booked to travel from the US to Italy on 21 January. 2x jab + booster. Flying into Venice & getting a taxi to Arabba. 1/2 board in hotel, 6 days of skiing, taxi back to Venice. Fly home. Still time to pull the plug. Is this a dumb idea?
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@choucas, who knows is the only answer possible, I know that’s not helpful, I’m not sure I would want to have to deal with the possibility of being in italy and getting stuck in a lockdown and trying to get back to the US, if I were you I would try and shift your skiing to be in the US if your able.
FWIW I’m booked to fly UK to Milan on 29/1, with accom deposit from last years cancelation carried over, I’m going to book a car to give me flexibility to go to a different area if Courmayuer is closed. Car can be cancelled up to 48hrs before.
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@choucas, if I lived in the US I wouldn’t be bothering with the possible hassles of coming to Europe, not when you have skiing there in the US and in Canada. It’s too unpredictable a situation IMO.
It’s a bit different for us as it’s only 1.5-2 hours on a plane but every couple of days something new happens or so it feels!
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@choucas, is it dumb? We’ll only know in retrospect but it certainly carries a few risks. The dolomites are great but they will still be there next year.

Have you made sure you have an Italian compliant QR code ? Would it cause you problems if you lost money? Had to isolate on arrival and got stuck in Italy for an extra week and never skied? Or maybe get stuck for longer due to borders closing or flights reducing? Are you happy spending ca 16hrs on planes and 4 hrs in taxis wearing a mask ? Etc
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Thanks for the feedback. Much the same from where I sit. Too many unknowns and not tracking in a good direction. Next year.
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anybody with any insider knowledge in Italy know if the border restrictions are likely to change this week?

Currently there's been no change in policy after the Omicron news...
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No idea but I have had an email from Crystal this evening asking me if I want to change my trip on 12th Dec to something else free of charge. It is a generic email though it doesn’t mention Italy specifically, it just says something along the lines of that the day 2 PCR on return to the UK might put some people off so if you want to change it, you can free of charge but let us know by 5th Dec if you do!
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We also had an email from Crystal this morning about our trip to Selva on 20th Dec.

Says if you can pass the new super green pass requirements (which they say is FULLY vaccinated or recovered within 6 months) then holiday is on.

If not - we can either amend for free (and get 10 % discount) or take a full refund . We have to decide 14 days ahead of travel (so 6th Dec which is when the new regs come in).

Our 14 year old only has one jab. No way to get a second and no way to prove this with a QR code anyway.

So we will take a refund . This holiday was booked in Summer 2020 (when things looked sort of alright...). Bumped from last Xmas. Been paid in full since about Sept 2020.
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Another 20 villages in S. Tyrol have been added to the red list including Selva. The local lockdown will last until the 5th of dec, open air sports are not affected but restaurants n bars will close at 6. Getting so worried now
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Another 20 villages in S. Tyrol have been added to the red list including Selva. The local lockdown will last until the 5th of dec, open air sports are not affected but restaurants n bars will close at 6. Getting so worried now


Where are you seeing / getting this latest information from?
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sheffskibod wrote:
We also had an email from Crystal this morning about our trip to Selva on 20th Dec.

Says if you can pass the new super green pass requirements (which they say is FULLY vaccinated or recovered within 6 months) then holiday is on.




Does anybody have clarity on the requirements for a Super Green Pass? I'm sure I'll be ok as a double vaccinated adult, but concerned about my single jabbed 16 year old.
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Jcosh wrote:
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Another 20 villages in S. Tyrol have been added to the red list including Selva. The local lockdown will last until the 5th of dec, open air sports are not affected but restaurants n bars will close at 6. Getting so worried now


Where are you seeing / getting this latest information from?


I found this..

https://fortune.com/2021/11/27/europe-skiing-alps-covid-season-restrictions-vaccine-pass/

See the bit headed “the dreaded Zona Rossa “
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I think Selva has since been added, but it seems to be a curfew not a full lockdown.
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I read it in the Adige.it, it is in Italian , I am fluent in Spanish and could work out the gist of the article . They mentioned 20 new villages to enter zona Rossa. Apologies if I got it wrong but I am pretty certain that is what they said.
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This is part of the article; I thought these areas are now in lock down

Le regole saranno applicate a partire dalla notte di domenica 28 novembre su lunedì 29 novembre. I Comuni interessati dalle norme più severe sono: Monguelfo-Tesido, Villandro, Prato allo Stelvio, Laces, Lasa, Tirolo, Campo Tures, Selva dei Molini, Perca, San Martino in Passiria, Selva di Valgardena, Fiè allo Sciliar, Valle Aurina, Cermes, Gais e Malles
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actually you're right the US link is out of date

It's been extended to some adjoining communes until the weekend
useful summary here, in Italian only
https://www.alto-adige.com/informazioni-utili/coronavirus

ps for anyone reaidng, no need to panic is just restrictions, not lockdown


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