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@Scooter in Seattle, Gymnastic car auctions? Pomel-horse on the roof rack? That would be watchable TV.
@iainm, Assuming that Bell, Alcott and Leigh will be presenting at the 5-ring circus again - any info on whether they'll be on the ground or in Salford?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Richard_Sideways, yeah, stick the landing in the pickup bed!
...meanwhile it looks like Pinterault has plenty of competition, including our up-and-comer River Radamus.
I may have to get plugged into Peacock...
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24 Oct 2021 Sölden (AUT) Giant Slalom 10:00-13:30
14 Nov 2021 Lech Zürs (AUT) Parallel 10:00 16:00
26 Nov 2021 Lake Louise (CAN) Downhill 20:00
27 Nov 2021 Lake Louise (CAN) Downhill 20:15
28 Nov 2021 Lake Louise (CAN) Super-G 20:15
03 Dec 2021 Beaver Creek (USA) Super-G 18:45
04 Dec 2021 Beaver Creek (USA) Downhill 19:00
05 Dec 2021 Beaver Creek (USA) Super-G 20:00
11 Dec 2021 Val d'Isère (FRA) Giant Slalom 09:30 13:00
12 Dec 2021 Val d'Isère (FRA) Slalom 09:30 13:00
17 Dec 2021 Gröden (ITA) Super-G 11:45
18 Dec 2021 Gröden (ITA) Downhill 11:45
19 Dec 2021 Alta Badia (ITA) Giant Slalom 10:00 13:30
20 Dec 2021 Alta Badia (ITA) Giant Slalom 10:00 13:30
22 Dec 2021 Madonna di Campiglio (ITA) Slalom 17:45 20:45
28 Dec 2021 Bormio (ITA) Downhill 11:30
29 Dec 2021 Bormio (ITA) Super-G 11:30
05 Jan 2022 Zagreb (CRO) Slalom 15:30 18:40
08 Jan 2022 Adelboden (SUI) Giant Slalom 10:30 13:30
09 Jan 2022 Adelboden (SUI) Slalom 10:30 13:30
14 Jan 2022 Wengen (SUI) Downhill 12:30
15 Jan 2022 Wengen (SUI) Downhill 12:30
16 Jan 2022 Wengen (SUI) Slalom 10:15 13:30
21 Jan 2022 Kitzbühel (AUT) Downhill 11:30
22 Jan 2022 Kitzbühel (AUT) Downhill 11:30
23 Jan 2022 Kitzbühel (AUT) Slalom 10:30 13:30
25 Jan 2022 Schladming (AUT) Slalom 17:45 20:45
06 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Downhill 04:00
08 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Super-G 04:00
10 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Combined 03:30 07:15
13 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Giant Slalom 03:15 06:45
16 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Slalom 03:15 06:45
19 Feb 2022 Yanqing (CHN) Winter Olympics Team Parallel 04:00
26 Feb 2022 Garmisch (GER) Slalom 09:30 12:30
27 Feb 2022 Garmisch (GER) Slalom 09:30 12:30
05 Mar 2022 Kvitfjell (NOR) Downhill 11:30
06 Mar 2022 Kvitfjell (NOR) Super-G 11:00
12 Mar 2022 Kranjska Gora (SLO) Giant Slalom 09:30 12:30
13 Mar 2022 Kranjska Gora (SLO) Giant Slalom 09:30 12:30
16 Mar 2022 Courchevel/Méribel (FRA) Downhill 10:00
17 Mar 2022 Courchevel/Méribel (FRA) Super-G 11:30
18 Mar 2022 Courchevel/Méribel (FRA) Team Parallel 12:00
19 Mar 2022 Courchevel/Méribel (FRA) Giant Slalom 09:00 12:00
20 Mar 2022 Courchevel/Méribel (FRA) Slalom 10:30 13:30
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@russ_e, Thanks. Are those times CET?
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@davidthornton, if you go to the FIS website you can see if times are CET (they usually are) and I think there is somewhere there you can change to UK (maybe the mobile version when events are being shown live)
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Cheers for that calendar link !
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I also interviewed freestyle skiers Izzy (medal winner in PyeongChang) and Zoe Atkin earlier this week. Hopefully that will go live next week.
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Well the weekly round-up of ski related news.
Have to say I didn't see this coming:
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SOELDEN, Austria – The International Ski Federation is turning to Bernie Ecclestone for advice, hoping the former Formula 1 boss can do to alpine skiing what he did to car racing in the past.
FIS President Johan Eliasch said he has approached Ecclestone to become part of a new advisory board, intended to help skiing’s governing body shape the future of the sport.
“Bernie did incredibly well with Formula 1, took that from a sport that was not so recognized to a global super sport. I always value his input. The idea is that he will be on a future advisory board of FIS,” said Eliasch, who was speaking on the eve of the season-opening World Cup races in the Austrian Alps. |
The Beijing 2022 medals:
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think Bernie Ecclestone will have his eyes, and wallet, on the World Cup TV rights. Back in the 70s, when the F1 teams were more focused on their cars, he, as a team owner, Brabham I think, managed to get the other teams organised as FOCA (Formula One Constuctors Assoc) and he became de facto head of it. He then made FOCA the sole owner of the TV rights for F1, and subsequently steered the GPs to our screens globally, and a nice little earner for himself. Occasionally, Bernie clashed with the French run FIA (Jean Ballestre) but, thanks in no small measure to Bernie's lawyer pal Max Mosley, FOCA triumphed.
The teams got a percentage of the greatly increased TV fees; so F1 and it's teams went on from being run on something of a shoestring out of workshops (garagistas) to a multi billion business that it is today.
Several billions of dollars later, Bernie, no doubt sees an opportunity to unify the TV rights of the World Cup and thus enhance it's bargaining power.
That's my brief, and hopefully accurate, synopsis.
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| davidthornton wrote: |
| Several billions of dollars later, Bernie, no doubt sees an opportunity to unify the TV rights of the World Cup and thus enhance it's bargaining power. |
My understanding is that apart from Austrian races the TV rights are already unified.
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You know it makes sense.
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So the full article is here - yes it is all about tv rights - than bernie making the skiing more exciting!
https://skiracing.com/topics/industry-news/alpine-skiing-turns-to-former-f1-boss-ecclestone-for-advice/
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“It is not the question of if, it is the question of when, because I don’t think there is any other international federation which has not centralized its rights management or is in the process of doing so,” Eliasch said.
The issue with the decentralized rights management became obvious, as ski fans in the United States were unsure for a long time if they would be able to see last weekend’s races
It only became clear on Friday that the races will be shown in the U.S. on an online streaming service.
“I am very, very concerned about that. That was one of my commitments, to centralize the rights management,” Eliasch said. “This is a very good example for why it is so important that we are in control. It shouldn’t be even a possibility that races cannot be seen, especially in such a large market for us as the U.S.” |
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| rjs wrote: |
| davidthornton wrote: |
| Several billions of dollars later, Bernie, no doubt sees an opportunity to unify the TV rights of the World Cup and thus enhance it's bargaining power. |
My understanding is that apart from Austrian races the TV rights are already unified. |
The famous Austrian races will be the key, they are the most high profile and valuable TV wise. Ecclestone has been a regular at the Hahnenkamm for many years so will have some very useful contacts locally.
If he can organise the global TV package to include those, then $$$$$$!
Might mean the Hahnenkamm, Kandahar, Wengen, etc., races shifting to early afternoon to catch the breakfast TV audience on the east coast U.S.
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| davidthornton wrote: |
| rjs wrote: |
| davidthornton wrote: |
| Several billions of dollars later, Bernie, no doubt sees an opportunity to unify the TV rights of the World Cup and thus enhance it's bargaining power. |
My understanding is that apart from Austrian races the TV rights are already unified. |
The famous Austrian races will be the key, they are the most high profile and valuable TV wise. Ecclestone has been a regular at the Hahnenkamm for many years so will have some very useful contacts locally.
If he can organise the global TV package to include those, then $$$$$$!
Might mean the Hahnenkamm, Kandahar, Wengen, etc., races shifting to early afternoon to catch the breakfast TV audience on the east coast U.S. |
I started off writing an argument that unlike F1 - there are huge safety aspects about running races late in the afternoon or at night - especially for DH / SG - while I can see an argument that under flood light it could happen - one thing I don't think can happen is the requirement to have a helicopter for rescue - which is not a mandate for the SL races if I recall correctly but is for the DH and SG.
It would be great though to have more slalom night races or GS races - even maybe mid-week? Thinking of Flachau and Schladming. One thing that works for F1 is that it is a Sunday afternoon /evening affair - skiing is across the weekend with some mid-week races and as such not sure the eye-balls on a Saturday evening would be there.
I just hope they dont consolidate the rights and move to delayed broadcasting in this day and age of social media - can't see that working too well.
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I like doing night slaloms, there are more WC venues that have floodlights than currently hold night races, Meribel and Bormio are examples.
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@barracuda, Thanks for the updates.
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Greenlight at the snowcontrol for the Lech/Zurs parallel races this weekend!
AUDI FIS Ski World Cup Lech/Zürs program:
Saturday, November 13th, 2021: women’s program;
10:00 a.m. qualification
05:00 p.m. finals.
Sunday, November 14th, 2021: men’s program;
10:00 a.m. qualification
04:00 p.m. finals
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Roland Leitinger the Austrian GS specialist who took 2nd place at the GS opener has torn his right ACL in parallel training today and is out for the rest of the season- sadly a similar injury resulted in him having to miss the 2018 olympics!
https://sport.orf.at/stories/3086570/
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I'm sure previous seasons' Parallel events were listed as either Parallel Slalom or Parallel GS, but this weekend in Lech/Zurs just shows as 'Parallel'. Does anybody know which discipline they're paralleling?
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@UkuleleDave, GS.
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| rjs wrote: |
| @UkuleleDave, GS. |
cheers!
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Anyone watching the final races of the Men's parallel? Didn't get a chance to watch the ladies yesterday - but the men's haven't seemed very entertaining thus far - and of course the 0.5s max penalty is causing dome debate again!
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Just watched the ladies on catch up, was pretty good - although the falling snow was so picturesque that i might be overstating the excitement. 
Learned today that the powers that be have decided no spectators at the Snow Queen in Croatia again this year. Slightly peeved, butit is what it is.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Watched both. Nice to see skiing again but I'm not a fan of parallel so didn't find it particularly entertaining. I enjoyed the ladies race more, probably, as @ElzP said, because of the falling snow  .
The constant whinging of the commentator about the 0.5 penalty didn't help.
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"constant whinging of the commentator about the 0.5 penalty" was pretty appropriate as it was influencing men's race heavily. Without 0.5sec max rule, results would be quite a bit different, as red course was much faster then 0.5sec and anyone running red course in second run, made it through... unless crashed out.
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You know it makes sense.
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Really enjoyed both the mens and womens competitions this weekend. Anyone know why Dave Ryder didn't compete?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@russ_e, Dave Ryding only does slalom, not GS
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Cheers @holidayloverxx, didn't realise that it was GS 
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@russ_e, GS has gates with the coloured flags, slalom is just poles
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| primoz wrote: |
| "constant whinging of the commentator about the 0.5 penalty" was pretty appropriate as it was influencing men's race heavily. Without 0.5sec max rule, results would be quite a bit different, as red course was much faster then 0.5sec and anyone running red course in second run, made it through... unless crashed out. |
100% agree, it was a bit of a farce as it was just a case of get in the blue gate to start with and if you know your close in speed to your competitor then you would end up winning. Its a shame they didn't show the times although I suspect if they did that it would make it very easy to show just how broken the current system is.
What was the original reason for the 0.5 second rule? Was it just so when someone crashed out they still had 2nd races?
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It did look like a few of the runners in the blue gate took their foot off the gas so to speak when they realised they were not close enough - no point going out fighting on the first run.
If i understood correctly - the DNF on the 2nd run is basically you are out - which is slightly unfair dependent on the course you are on and the 0.5s limit of the first run.
Can't believe this is an olympic medal event - feels more for show than an actual test of skill!
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| Rob_Quads wrote: |
| What was the original reason for the 0.5 second rule? Was it just so when someone crashed out they still had 2nd races? |
It's meant that there would be more exciting races, generally meaning if you crash out in first run, you still have chance to race in second run and maybe even win. It would be just fine, if both courses would be at least sort of equal, but once one course is more then 0.5sec faster then the other, this rule causes for whole bunch of shi**t, which was pretty visible on Sunday.
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| barracuda wrote: |
| Can't believe this is an olympic medal event - feels more for show than an actual test of skill! |
Wasn’t it brought in as precisely that, an exciting new format that would appeal and be televised?
From what I remember last year, that rule makes it rather unappealing as a contest when it applied. If you crash out, then you crash out.
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| ster wrote: |
| barracuda wrote: |
| Can't believe this is an olympic medal event - feels more for show than an actual test of skill! |
Wasn’t it brought in as precisely that, an exciting new format that would appeal and be televised?
From what I remember last year, that rule makes it rather unappealing as a contest when it applied. If you crash out, then you crash out. |
Yeah I know - but its crap when it doesn't actually work, and clearly it wasn't working at Cortina - nor last night - and I get it the head to head is exciting - and FIS are trying to innovate and get more viewers - you could tell the two austrians in the final race crossing the line knew it wasn't a fair final race.
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Based on TV figures FIS and Infront are operating with, it's super exciting event with higher TV ratings then any other, except for maybe Kitz and Wengen DH races. But with who ever I talk with, from racers, to coaches, to "normal people" who occasionally or not so occasionally follow skiing, I have never met anyone who would think parallel is good racing. But then again, I have never met anyone who voted for our current PM and/or president, yet one (his party) got 20% of votes, the other got more then 50% of votes. So obviously my group of people is not really valid to make any conclusions
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Thats why I dont bother watching the parallel races anymore, when you could see the impact of that rule.
World Pro Ski Tour? All held in US, with mainly US skiers? A bit like the baseball “World Series” & NFL’s “World Champions”
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