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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sadly behind a paywall
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@FrediKanoute, there's a trick with Telegraph pages that if you click stop while it is still loading you can read it before the paywall thing kicks in - have to get the timing right though!
Always find it odd that PDS is mentioned as a destination via TGV to Cluses but never Grand Massif, which is equally, if not closer to Cluses.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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That's really weird
Same image, same author.
15 resorts in the Telegraph, 20 in the Guardian.
If the list is the same, then one of those papers is going to be disappointed.
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Booked my train tickets for the first of my trips to Montgenevre last night as it happens.
The return leg for my February trip aren’t available yet, so that one will have to wait.
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From personal experience,
London to Munich (approx 10hrs)
Munich to Bayrischzell (approx 1 hr)
Stay at Alpenrose Bayrischzell about 100m from the train station
Ski the Wendelstein Ski Area by taking the train one stop back (approx 10 mins)
Short bus ride to Sudelfeld Ski Area (approx 10 mins)
Tarin and bus ride combo to get to Spitzingsee Ski Area (approx 1hr)
I went in February half-term and didn't queue once
3 great and very different ski areas
Very reasonable prices and superb value for money
Highly recommended
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Or to access paywalled sites…search google for ‘iamadev’ and install the extension for chrome / Firefox / edge.
It will bypass a lot of paywalled sites, Telegraph/ FT etc
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sheffskibod, thank you for that - works just fine. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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By the way, the article is wrong. The TGV to Oulx is currently on sale up to mid Feb.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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There's a new Austrian climate train ticket that costs just €90 more than I am currently paying a year (€860+€90 = €950) that I could use to get from places such as St Antom and Zell am See. Could use the night train each way to St Anton, stay Sat night in a hotel and still get back for working from home on Monday morning. 
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Brilliant
Made my day
Thanks
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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That is awesome 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@ribblevalleyred,
Wow, that's brilliant.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@sheffskibod, yes that is clearer.
What seems odd about the article that kicked off the thread is that it majors on resorts that can't directly be accessed by train. Sure places like Morzine can be reached by bus from Cluses train station (I have done it) but that takes about an hour; if you allow that you could list almost anywhere.
I would have thought you could easily come up with a list of 15 good ski resorts that can be reached using only trains and intra-resort transport. Plenty in Switzerland; Les Arcs (BourgSM), Chamonix valley, Serre Chevalier (Briancon) in France; Pila (Aosta) in Italy; Garmisch in Germany; I am less familiar with Austria but I am sure there are several.
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I like the idea of going by train but being a bit picky/contentious the first entry for Nendaz is three train journeys and then a taxi ride. Second one, Adelboden is four train journeys and then a taxi ride. And doing this with luggage and ski bag. And that's not taking into the account the train journey to St Pancras which for me isn't too bad but I can imagine not so easy for others. That's a tough gig even if you can do it for £200.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| j b wrote: |
.. What seems odd about the article that kicked off the thread is that it majors on resorts that can't directly be accessed by train. ...
I would have thought you could easily come up with a list of 15 good ski resorts that can be reached using only trains and intra-resort transport.... |
Precisely this. Oh, it's the Torygraph.
Zermatt is obviously one they needed to list as you can't drive there.
I'd try Vall de Núria too, although you have to drive to the station for that one so it doesn't count,
although it would still be a better choice than those listed. Is Johnson moonlighting as a "journalist" again?
https://archive.is/m0kAC
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It's all a bit of fluff really. Wolkenstein (which they call Selva) takes almost 24 hours and you can only do it on certain days of the week. I can just imagine this discsuuion: Journalist to editor. I can do this article for you all I need is a couple hours of research on thetrainline.com , a copy of where to ski and snowboard and a map to investigate busses.
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They have a different idea "reaching by train" than I do for most of the resorts they mention.
It should be called "half a dozen resorts that are a right faff to reach by train", especially when you factor in the unreliability of French trains (strikes, clapped out hardware etc).
For example: in the Massif Central, le Mont Dore, which has a railway station but presumably closed is now a long transfer by bus on icy mountain roads with nothing listed for the winter weekends but the journalist doesn't mention Le Lioran which has a railway station at the bottom of the pistes. There is still a train service although you need to change. Again only 1 train a day at weekends.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Fri 8-10-21 10:29; edited 1 time in total
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anything that involves a 30-40 min taxi/bus ride is not a resort you can reach by train.
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| anything that involves a 30-40 min taxi/bus ride is not a resort you can reach by train. |
plus anything that involves schlepping skis across Paris is not "train accessible"
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| davidof wrote: |
plus anything that involves schlepping skis across Paris is not "train accessible" |
What a strange thing to say.
Surely it depends where your journey starts.
By this logic no resort is accessible by train if my journey starts in Ibiza.
But if I start in Lyon, then it comes down to the proximity to ski lifts from the last train-accessible point. Which I think is the point.
Agree 100% with the Bus / taxi part though.
Fo example one can get the train all the way to Champery (PdS), with the train station and Telecabine station being the same place ( a bit like Le Chable - Verbier) so that is train-accessible, but for Morgins one has to get off the cog in Troistorrents, and do the last 10 KM on the Post Bus, so that is not.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| anything that involves a 30-40 min taxi/bus ride is not a resort you can reach by train. |
Does that apply to planes too? If so, the only resorts you can access by plane are Courchevel, St Moritz, Verbier and Zermatt.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| anything that involves a 30-40 min taxi/bus ride is not a resort you can reach by train. |
Does that apply to planes too? If so, the only resorts you can access by plane are Courchevel, St Moritz, Verbier and Zermatt. |
not sure what point you are trying to make.
More resorts than that have an airfield close by.
I can get a train to Cardiff Airport.
It just involves a 20-30min bus or taxi ride.
If Ryanair wanted to branch out into ryantrains......
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You know it makes sense.
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For me the question is not "is there a train station in resort", it's "can I reach the resort in a reasonable timescale without needing to fly". and to that end, I'd certainly say that all the resorts mentioned above are train accessible.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| anything that involves a 30-40 min taxi/bus ride is not a resort you can reach by train. |
Does that apply to planes too? If so, the only resorts you can access by plane are Courchevel, St Moritz, Verbier and Zermatt. |
not sure what point you are trying to make.
More resorts than that have an airfield close by.
I can get a train to Cardiff Airport.
It just involves a 20-30min bus or taxi ride.
If Ryanair wanted to branch out into ryantrains...... |
There's not many that are a 30 minutes bus/taxi ride from an airport.
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Poster: A snowHead
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One of the key questions I ask when choosing a resort: is there a railway station in the resort? Arosa, Engelberg, St Anton, Kitzbuhel, many others in Switzerland and Austria (not so many in France) tick that box.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| nbt wrote: |
| For me the question is not "is there a train station in resort", it's "can I reach the resort in a reasonable timescale without needing to fly". and to that end, I'd certainly say that all the resorts mentioned above are train accessible. |
So what you're saying is a resort that YOU can get to without needing to fly. This is very personal, as it depends where YOU start YOUR journey.
Whereas the question you raise : "is there a train station in resort ?" is more meaningful as a storyline it applies to everybody and not just you.
I understand the underlying idea as being about going skiing without using planes, busses or cars.
This is a bit of a strange angle as unless you live within half a mile of a train station, then you're gonna be starting your journey in a car or bus anyhow, especially if you are taking skis / boots.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The spreadsheet on the shared transfers thread on this site lists all the (Alps) resorts in France / Italy / Austria with a train station.
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Railway station!!!! 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Thing is the resorts in the Tarentaise don't have a railway station but clearly they are very railway friendly because of their proximity to a mainline railway to Paris, northern France, UK.
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| WindOfChange wrote: |
By this logic no resort is accessible by train if my journey starts in Ibiza. |
that is a very profound observation you've made there. You can add the Canary Islands to your list if you like.
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| LOTA wrote: |
| One of the key questions I ask when choosing a resort: is there a railway station in the resort? Arosa, Engelberg, St Anton, Kitzbuhel, many others in Switzerland and Austria (not so many in France) tick that box. |
Same
I hate paying £100 transfers for france, when I can jump on a train in Austria for less than £20
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| LOTA wrote: |
| One of the key questions I ask when choosing a resort: is there a railway station in the resort? Arosa, Engelberg, St Anton, Kitzbuhel, many others in Switzerland and Austria (not so many in France) tick that box. |
Same
I hate paying £100 transfers for france, when I can jump on a train in Austria for less than £20 |
Me too. I enjoy a railway transfer too, especially from airports like Zurich, Geneva and, to a lesser extent as a short bus ride is required, Innsbruck.
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Does that apply to planes too? If so, the only resorts you can access by plane are Courchevel, St Moritz, Verbier and Zermatt.
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Add Whistler to that list
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Disappointing that none of the Scandi resorts are included. Åre - train directly to the centre of the resort, 5 mins walk to accommodation and lifts. Lillehammer/Kvitfjell - station at the bottom of the Olympic downhill run.
Admittedly, it's a bit of a trek by train from the UK ( Åre can be done in 2.5 days) but no other form of transport required once you're in the first train.
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