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@davidof, the one in the paragraph above.
Eurotest, IMS in French and snowboard banked slalom.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| swskier wrote: |
@davidof, the one in the paragraph above.
Eurotest, IMS in French and snowboard banked slalom. |
You'll need to pass the CTT for snowboarders (https://iasisnowsports.ie/education/ctt-common-technical-test/) or show 1 year of full time work experience teaching at L4 or L3 level. The concession the French made was accepting snowboarding as a separate discipline in recognition of EU rules. You'll also need a work permit if non EEA. The question is whether having a non EU passport makes a difference, I don't think it will if you have the CTT but it will if you want to rely on work experience if you want to go down that route. Anyone trying to get a carte pro without the CTT is in for a tough time, a lot of applications fail on relevant work experience.
For BASI skiers you need to show 2 years work experience or whatever side deal BASI negotiated to avoid this.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Fri 14-03-25 13:12; edited 2 times in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@davidof, difference from what I can see is the CTT mountain safety through IASI is done in English, but for BASI members to be recognised in France, they have to complete the course in French.
They also have to do the snowboard banked slalom even as skiers to be recognised, something IASI members don't require as far as I know.
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| swskier wrote: |
@davidof, difference from what I can see is the CTT mountain safety through IASI is done in English, but for BASI members to be recognised in France, they have to complete the course in French.
They also have to do the snowboard banked slalom even as skiers to be recognised, something IASI members don't require as far as I know. |
Can you do the CTT as a non EU national? According to (EU) 2019/907 of 14 March 2019 you need to be an EU passport holder to take it.
The BASI official documentation says:
Speed test, a snowboard test and an additional Mountain Safety assessment, all
of which will be run on French soil. The speed test MUST be completed first. If you have not successfully
completed the speed test you will NOT be able to attempt the other two assessments. Once all additional
components are complete, you can apply for a Carte Pro
confirming what you've said.
and the same may apply for non EEA IASI instructors if they can't take the CTT. Surely IASI have some guidance on this?
The courts have certainly not been very benevolent with IASI applicants.
the alternative route for IASI applicants is to show sufficient work experience teaching at L3 and L4 in another EU country but there are all sorts of gotchas. This is the "Butler" route. 4 seasons normally (not 6 as I said previously).
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@davidof, UK passport holders that are BASI members have taken the Eurotest post brexit, 100%.
Austria also told me I can take one but only if I have an Article 50 visa.
The question came up on Facebook as a Brit was asking as someone who is permanent French resident, but UK passport, if he did a eurotest with IASI membership, can he skip what seems to be 2 additional requirements only for BASI.
I've not looked in to it, as it doesn't effect my situation, but I think he could skip the need for the IMS in French and the snowboard banked slalom.
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@swskier, yes but there is a difference to taking a speed test somewhere and officially completing the CTT which appears to be reserved for EU or EEA passport holders.
For your FB snowboarder the easiest way for him to find out is to apply for a carte pro, he needs to be very careful to do make this application correctly. The prefect of the Isere will then decide if he needs to take compensatory measures as allowed for in the EU legislation. Without the CTT you can assume this will be the case.
The French authorities may take into account modules such as mountain safety already completed and of course relevant work experience. The only way to know is to apply as everything is on a case by case basis.
Whether the BASI's own advice is accurate is another thing. They may have done another side-deal that doesn't favour the membership.
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@swskier
All passed ok?
Just out of interest, why did you go for adaptive rather than snowboard for your extra discipline? They're both fine choices of course but just interested in your thinking.
Nice bruise  , looks like you came down hard on.. something?
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I wear my back protector every day now, so that things don't feel different on days when I am skiing gates.
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Nasty bruise, I bruised my leg ski touring this winter - skied into a wire fence and got a huge bruise just above the knee. I hadn't seen the fence as I was skiing into the sun. I now have a hard lump where the bruise was !
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@AntonAusTirol, passed Bi-ski module, teach assessments tomorrow for hidden disability and visual impairment.
I chose adaptive initially as I don't know how to snowboard or telemark, so it was the "easiest" option for me. Then subsequently I spoke with others who have done the course with IASI and BASI and they said how good it was for their Alpine teaching as well. That coupled with the fact Sara and I live about 15 minutes apart and the course was running in the valley it's a no brainer.
I was warned pre course by others that it's a really tiring week, and I'd fully agree with that. Not particularly physically for me, but more mentally. There's so much to learn, with handling equipment and having to learn the disabilities, it really takes a toll mentally for me! I'd really recommend it to anyone though, I'm really enjoying it.
@rjs, i'll be wearing my back protector from now on, just not this week as it'll probably hurt too much!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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That's a wrap, and L1 Adaptive in the bag. I need to get some shadowing hours in to officially get it finalised, but all done for the exam side of things.
Great week, learned loads, and I definitely think it can be useful in able bodied instruction too.
I'd definitely recommend it as a course for anyone considering it.
So from a skiing perspective, all modules for L3 now complete, just the teaching hours, and 2nd language which hopefully I'll take next month when the German speaking trainer is over in Hintertux.
Now I can look forward to getting more teaching in next season as I'll have my new visa in the next couple of months.
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I gave the speedtest another go yesterday. Still absolutely miles away from it, but an improvement vs 2 years in terms of % off the mark.
I won't be attempting another one until I've had some serious focussed coaching on gates, which I plan to try and do next November, albeit I have no plans to take a test next season. I think it'll help with my skiing though, working towards a L4 tech.
It was a tough test yesterday, 2 quick openers, one of which was last active in 22/23 with a FIS ranking of 39.27 and during his racing career was as low as 26.50. Considerably better than the +/- 10% of 60 that the test specifies. It made little difference to me, but resulted in 3 or 4 people missing out that would have hit the mark if the organisers had 2 60 point racers.
In the end there was 1 male and 1 female that passed out of about 30 of us.
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You know it makes sense.
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Im guessing you did the ISIA test? how far off ? only ask as a number would dictate what sort of training would be most appropriate...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@skimottaret, yes ISIA, miles off 29%. I entered some FIS masters races this year, which in hindsight was a bad move, I should have continued training with the local masters in Kaltenbach. That is only skiing gates though, no actual coaching.
I've only done the 2 days with Dave Morris (Podium) before the 2023 test of actual coaching, so plan is to do a week in Hintertux with someone like MM in November.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So, ISIA have amended their requirements for the L3 qualification, removing the need for a 2nd language which is now just a requirement for the ISIA card, so I'm now 1 step closer to the L3, with just a small amount more teaching hours required.
Of course I'll continue working on my 2nd language, but it won't be an issue until the end of L4. I could probably pass the 2nd language test now anyway, but I'll give it some more time before actually doing it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@swskier, Yeah saw Mark S stuck that up on FB, seems odd to me given ISIA stamp was always meant to be more international but good result to get more through...
I may have misunderstood how far off you were. Were you 29% slower than the Male pass time? or, 29% slower than reference skier ? Dont want to give you bad advice...
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@skimottaret, 29% off the setters. So timings were:
Setters 51.80
Pass time 58.28
Me 67.29
An absolute country mile away, but if you skid the top of every turn, what do you expect? For some reason, as soon as there's gates there I just have a mental block at rolling edge to edge.
So I'd say your advice stays, and I think doing a pre season week of training would be hugely beneficial to working towards L4 tech as well.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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ahh okay, yeah thats pretty far out and early in the journey, my first ET after only a few weeks training I was 7 secs out so know the feeling ! Once you are able to arc above the gates you can drop a lot of time quickly. If you're skidding at the top you are best served by tech skills work as you mention. Once you can do that consistently you should get within a couple secs and at that point tactics and line become more important to shave off the remaining halves and 1/10's.
personally if you can manage the time off several weeks on the spin allows you to make much more progress. loads of people would just do the odd week and never made much lasting improvement. All training days help for sure but if you can get a block of several weeks really allows you to consolidate and break through. Fitness has to be good to avoid injury and fatigue during multi week blocks..
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Just as an aside on the second discipline front, my understanding is that France only recognises Snowboarding and/or will not accept Adaptive as a second discipline. Given that they also require a snowboard "speed test", anyone who has the goal of eventually working in France would be well advised to choose snowboarding as their second discipline.
I've seen the French guys doing their snowboard exam in Tignes. The courses don't look very hard (we've cruised through them after they were finished as well), but I don't know how tight the time controls are. The rut-line / banked slalom type runs used as bumps assessment for BASI snowboard L3 & 4 (and somewhat at level 2) are much harder to ride.
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@stevomcd, agree with all that, also worth noting that CH doesnt recognise adaptive either... my training buddy passed ISIA test and EMS and they wouldn't give her patente due to having adaptive as 2nd..
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@skimottaret, time off is a bit of a limiting factor as I'm reliant on annual leave allowance. However, I do have gates training available to me every weekend locally, and at no cost as it's just run by a bunch of the locals. So some focussed training early season, with actual feedback, and then I can ski gates every weekend if I want.
Realistically, the speedtest will move down the list of priorities, with a L4 tech being the top aim now. If needed in the future, I could dedicate an entire season to just training gates etc, and do no teaching, a luxury full time instructors don't have. That's just a result of the unusual path I'm taking.
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FAQ
super important not to get injured or beat up too bad that you cant train effectively.