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We booked advanced parking for £20 though had to buzz to get someone to raise the barrier!
Enjoyed the (free) show on the Saturday, got a toffee vodka headache, met Snow-Camp Charity friends, companion met a few of his ski-journo friends, I tried the nordic ski machine on the RAF stand, bought some flapjacks, talked to Michael Pettifer of MPI about ski insurance, booked an appointment with Colin re bootfitting. Was wishing someone would serve tartiflette instead of burgers. Realised the paper punnet of chips was £3.85. Companion bought us both some Falke ski socks. I would have liked to see more resort stands, especially Italy. It's a good start - hope it grows. I was looking for good base layers but didn't find any at the show. Nobody actually scanned our covid QR codes. We wore our face masks most of the time. Anyway, it was buzzy and friendly and I'm sure will be better next year.
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@Timmycb5, Bluebell & Moss, www.bluebellandmoss.com 20% discount with code SNOWSHOW20


Thanks for this. My son had seen the prints on etsy but your never sure on the quality.
I ordered one on Monday evening and it arrived today, exactly what he wanted and tempted with another for the apartment.
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"...We booked advanced parking for £20 .." I hope that is a misprint !???! - pre-booked is 'only' £12 ..........................!
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@albob, £20 is for the parking closest to the hall rather than the normal parking where you may need to take a shuttle bus.
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Was just listening to Paul and Andy discuss the ski show - interesting thing I picked up on was Paul mentioning that it is looking likely that the show will be back at Battersea! (c.14m30 in)


http://youtube.com/v/HqdVg-7DFsk
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Thanks for this. My son had seen the prints on etsy but your never sure on the quality.
I ordered one on Monday evening and it arrived today, exactly what he wanted and tempted with another for the apartment.

Didn't go to the show but ordered a 3V piste map from Claire at Bluebell & Moss in a custom size when I was in France this summer. Excellent service, excellent quality - don't hesitate.
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Was just listening to Paul and Andy discuss the ski show - interesting thing I picked up on was Paul mentioning that it is looking likely that the show will be back at Battersea!

That will be a real shame. We went there a few years ago and it was terrible. I suppose it is a lot cheeper for the organisers than the NEC.
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Suppose it must be to do with the economics of running the event, but can't help thinking they are excluding a huge swathe of the UK population, who simply can't or won't bother with the logistics of attending.
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It did sound like the battersea would be in addition to the NEC - kind of how it was in the good old years with a London and "Northern" event - I wonder if the organizers at the NEC have data on the % of attendees from London - its a huge population base of skiers - and I for one didn't make it up due to the stupid cost of train tickets.
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kind of how it was in the good old years with a London and "Northern" event

I suppose that is why they compromised and moved it to a single show in the midlands. But you are right @barracuda, the cost of rail tickets is high and will deter lots of us from going to London. I can fly to Geneva cheeper than get the train to London. Perhaps Expo in Geneva would be a good place to hold it. Toofy Grin
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Suppose it must be to do with the economics of running the event, but can't help thinking they are excluding a huge swathe of the UK population, who simply can't or won't bother with the logistics of attending.


Suppose it depends on which way you meant. By moving the venue to Birmingham, yes you make the event more accessible to the UK in general and increase footfall, but you're reducing the overall ability to attract the London audience who are, and I don't have the numbers, traditionally more likely to actually spend larger sums on higher value products and services on sale and display at the show, which makes it more 'valuable' to exhibitors who are ultimately the revenue generators for the shows creators when you're expecting to comp. 80%+ of door tickets.
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kind of how it was in the good old years with a London and "Northern" event

I suppose that is why they compromised and moved it to a single show in the midlands. But you are right @barracuda, the cost of rail tickets is high and will deter lots of us from going to London. I can fly to Geneva cheeper than get the train to London. Perhaps Expo in Geneva would be a good place to hold it. Toofy Grin


Exactly!

This is when you know we are heading in the wrong direction....

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Austria’s Klimaticket, the nation’s $3.50 per day, go-anywhere pass to combat climate change, went live this week, CNN reports. The ticket is valid for all publicly and privately operated rail, metro, and bus networks throughout the nation, and with a price tag of $1,265 (€1,095) for an annual pass, the cost works out to roughly $24 (€21) per week or $3.50 per day.
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barracuda wrote:
Was just listening to Paul and Andy discuss the ski show - interesting thing I picked up on was Paul mentioning that it is looking likely that the show will be back at Battersea! (c.14m30 in)


http://youtube.com/v/HqdVg-7DFsk


Oh that was a treat

The lady at Starbucks wrote 'Hall' on Paul's cup.

She should have written 'Knob'

I was there on Sunday from 9:30 to 16:00 doing laps and every time I walked past his stand it was empty, with him on his phone.

He was very concerned about the COVID bubble, but he's living in one.

Thinks he's a lot more than he actually is.

Really full of himself for a host on a YouTube channel that has amassed a 'massive' 219 views for this episode with just 5 comments.

And more importantly hasn't even bothered to respond to any of those comments.

At 9.30 talking about the show
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"somebody's book there, about how wonderful they are"

That somebody was Dan Egan, promoting his book '30 Year In A White Haze'

His talk was superb (which Paul didn't attend) and Dan is an icon and legend of the sport.

But obviously not to Paul.

Classic 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking'

Not a good thing to say about the show and the massive gamble the organisers took putting it on.

"We will be back"

I would say no thanks if I was the organiser.
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barracuda wrote:
Was just listening to Paul and Andy discuss the ski show - interesting thing I picked up on was Paul mentioning that it is looking likely that the show will be back at Battersea! (c.14m30 in)


http://youtube.com/v/HqdVg-7DFsk


Oh that was a treat

The lady at Starbucks wrote 'Hall' on Paul's cup.

She should have written 'Knob'

I was there on Sunday from 9:30 to 16:00 doing laps and every time I walked past his stand it was empty, with him on his phone.

He was very concerned about the COVID bubble, but he's living in one.

Thinks he's a lot more than he actually is.

Really full of himself for a host on a YouTube channel that has amassed a 'massive' 219 views for this episode with just 5 comments.

And more importantly hasn't even bothered to respond to any of those comments.

At 9.30 talking about the show
'
"somebody's book there, about how wonderful they are"

That somebody was Dan Egan, promoting his book '30 Year In A White Haze'

His talk was superb (which Paul didn't attend) and Dan is an icon and legend of the sport.

But obviously not to Paul.

Classic 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking'

Not a good thing to say about the show and the massive gamble the organisers took putting it on.

"We will be back"

I would say no thanks if I was the organiser.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

I might have it wrong, but he does come across as quite a 'glass half empty' kind of person - the only things he seemed to enjoy were the english breakfast and the flapjacks. I can imagine him alienating most of his potential audience over the course of series of podcasts as his default seems to be to find the negative in everything. That said, I did listen to the end.
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personally speaking as a Londoner, It didn't bother me being in Brum, me and my daughters made a weekend of it, we do lots of trips in to London when they visit me, so it made a change.

I hope it stays in the midlands as I believe it gives more people the option to go there.

Hopefully, it will grow bigger and better, with more exhibitors etc.

we all travelled by train, them from bath and me from London, I made a point of booking the train tickets as far in advance as possible, and I think all in it came to about £70. though, that was 1 adult, 1x 16/17 railcard holder, and 1x child
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Handy Turnip wrote:
Mike Pow wrote:
barracuda wrote:
Was just listening to Paul and Andy discuss the ski show - interesting thing I picked up on was Paul mentioning that it is looking likely that the show will be back at Battersea! (c.14m30 in)


http://youtube.com/v/HqdVg-7DFsk


Oh that was a treat

The lady at Starbucks wrote 'Hall' on Paul's cup.

She should have written 'Knob'

I was there on Sunday from 9:30 to 16:00 doing laps and every time I walked past his stand it was empty, with him on his phone.

He was very concerned about the COVID bubble, but he's living in one.

Thinks he's a lot more than he actually is.

Really full of himself for a host on a YouTube channel that has amassed a 'massive' 219 views for this episode with just 5 comments.

And more importantly hasn't even bothered to respond to any of those comments.

At 9.30 talking about the show
'
"somebody's book there, about how wonderful they are"

That somebody was Dan Egan, promoting his book '30 Year In A White Haze'

His talk was superb (which Paul didn't attend) and Dan is an icon and legend of the sport.

But obviously not to Paul.

Classic 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking'

Not a good thing to say about the show and the massive gamble the organisers took putting it on.

"We will be back"

I would say no thanks if I was the organiser.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

I might have it wrong, but he does come across as quite a 'glass half empty' kind of person - the only things he seemed to enjoy were the english breakfast and the flapjacks. I can imagine him alienating most of his potential audience over the course of series of podcasts as his default seems to be to find the negative in everything. That said, I did listen to the end.


I listed to most of his podcast (I hadn't come accross him until he was mentioned here), until he got to the part about return travel he had to do as it didnt seem very relevant to the snow show.

I must say he was pretty negative all up (can't really think of any positives from him apart from it happened). Bizarrely he complained abnout its shortness but as if he hadnt known it was only two days when he booked his stand so i thought that was odd.

But apart from that it did sound like his negatives (if correct) were all relatively valid I thought and I can't vouch all happened - the parking charges are high there, the lack of kids friendly stuff was strange given if you can keep them not bored then parents get to stay longer, and the toilet issue was ridicuolus. The toliets didnt impact us as I guess we were lucky to only want to use them when there was no queue, but if those tiny ones just outside the show entrance were the only ones near to the actual show when they had larger ones in the hall that were closed as o/s then thats a poor effort to not have them operating.

Additionally I think the food choice and quality compared to the last shows in London was poor ,e.g. London had freshy cooked gourmet burgers/pizza/fries etc and not unreasonably priced, here we were served up cold (cooked in advance burgers wuth grill stripes I think were painted on), not hot enough to melt what passed for cheese in them, with some strips made to look like bacon at an apparent "gourmet" part of the outlets at the back. Other than those, the usual high street outlets outside the hall. Noit very appealling at all vs what has been on offer in the past.
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Handy Turnip wrote:


I might have it wrong, but he does come across as quite a 'glass half empty' kind of person - the only things he seemed to enjoy were the english breakfast and the flapjacks. I can imagine him alienating most of his potential audience over the course of series of podcasts as his default seems to be to find the negative in everything. That said, I did listen to the end.


It's interesting for someone in the industry to not be overly positive about it - at the very least you'd have thought it was the main opportunity for distinguishing themselves from competitors by personally engaging. Were there the usual number of studenty/6th form types there that are the fodder for these instructor course operators? It's refreshingly honest for them to admit they are f**ked at the moment for a UK customer base. Not sure the .is the best vehicle for promoting themselves - they come across as a pair of jokers or rather a straight man and a joker.
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I didn't listen to the end but his attitude/style wouldn't encourage me to engage with his organisation and I won't be listening to anymore of his channel. It seemed weird to me that I was watching the studio while he kept refering to what was visible on his tablet. Was there another more useful version somewhere else which showed his pictures?
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@Dave of the Marmottes, @tarrantd, yes i agree. It almost feels like we're party to a private conversation (a bit like the sort you may have at work with trusted colleagues in private, but you'd be a lot more diplomatic, balanced and constructive with any feedback in public). Comments like 'England haven't got a clue' and 'England is living in cloud cuckoo land' could surely be phrased better and more constructively, otherwise it'll just surely alienate potential future business.
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England haven't got a clue' and 'England is living in cloud cuckoo land'


Bit unfair to blame the entire squad for Harry Kane’s overall performance Madeye-Smiley
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England haven't got a clue' and 'England is living in cloud cuckoo land'


Bit unfair to blame the entire squad for Harry Kane’s overall performance Madeye-Smiley


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cheers all, thats a surprise, i thought they would be far more expensive than that!!


Hi,

Just wanted to say it was great to meet everyone at the snowshow and I'm happy to answer any and all questions you've got about Fauna Skis.

As you might have pieced together or discussed with me first hand.
I, Alex, am the owner and founder of Fauna Skis. I designed, made my own prototypes and tested the skis across the alps and with the help of friends in Canada and NZ. After settling on the constructions, shapes and aesthetics of the skis I approached a factory in the Czech Republic, which specialise in wood veneer topsheets on skis and boards, to produce my skis. The first run was produced in early 2019, and have weathered the pandemic, getting by on international sales to places with open ski resorts like the USA and Aus/NZ, but now I am keen to engage more with the 'local' ski community in the UK.
Because I have the skis produced in a factory they are of a much higher quality than I could produce myself, are a much more accessible price than similar-looking skis and come with a 2-year factory warranty.

I am aware it's hard to judge a ski, especially from a new, unknown ski brand online and even in person and, it's why I'm keen to work with some of the indoor ski centres to organise ski demos and would be interested in getting involved with the forums' ski test events in the future.
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@Faunaskis, Welcome to snowHeads snowHead
Best of luck with your venture. Snowheads has two sessions where they do ski testing, Oktobertest - in snowdomes and then on real snow at EoSB.

I would contact admin if you were looking to offer demos to support those.
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Why didn’t EoSB create a linky?


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Dunno why it's not autolinking but

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=155089
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@Faunaskis,
Alex, great to see you on this forum, it was good to talk to you at the ski show as well, no doubt there were many of us asking you questions about your skis.
if you do organise UK testing sessions, I would be interested, and would be happy to be on some sort of mailing list.
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Oh that was a treat

The lady at Starbucks wrote 'Hall' on Paul's cup.

She should have written 'Knob'

I was there on Sunday from 9:30 to 16:00 doing laps and every time I walked past his stand it was empty, with him on his phone.

He was very concerned about the COVID bubble, but he's living in one.

Thinks he's a lot more than he actually is.

Really full of himself for a host on a YouTube channel that has amassed a 'massive' 219 views for this episode with just 5 comments.

And more importantly hasn't even bothered to respond to any of those comments.

At 9.30 talking about the show
'
"somebody's book there, about how wonderful they are"

That somebody was Dan Egan, promoting his book '30 Year In A White Haze'

His talk was superb (which Paul didn't attend) and Dan is an icon and legend of the sport.

But obviously not to Paul.

Classic 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking'

Not a good thing to say about the show and the massive gamble the organisers took putting it on.

"We will be back"

I would say no thanks if I was the organiser.


Interested to read your comments. Being a fan of podcasts I listened to a few of these and I could not believe how patronising, self-aggrandising and dated they are. It felt like reading the 'Daily Mail'. Fortunately I have weaned myself off them.
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Mike Pow wrote:
Oh that was a treat

The lady at Starbucks wrote 'Hall' on Paul's cup.

She should have written 'Knob'

I was there on Sunday from 9:30 to 16:00 doing laps and every time I walked past his stand it was empty, with him on his phone.

He was very concerned about the COVID bubble, but he's living in one.

Thinks he's a lot more than he actually is.

Really full of himself for a host on a YouTube channel that has amassed a 'massive' 219 views for this episode with just 5 comments.

And more importantly hasn't even bothered to respond to any of those comments.

At 9.30 talking about the show
'
"somebody's book there, about how wonderful they are"

That somebody was Dan Egan, promoting his book '30 Year In A White Haze'

His talk was superb (which Paul didn't attend) and Dan is an icon and legend of the sport.

But obviously not to Paul.

Classic 'Monday Morning Quarterbacking'

Not a good thing to say about the show and the massive gamble the organisers took putting it on.

"We will be back"

I would say no thanks if I was the organiser.


Interested to read your comments. Being a fan of podcasts I listened to a few of these and I could not believe how patronising, self-aggrandising and dated they are. It felt like reading the 'Daily Mail'. Fortunately I have weaned myself off them.


Smile Smile Smile
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just had an email with the dates for the snow show at the NEC in 2022, oct 15-16.
tickets go on sale in April, but hopefully there will be freebies again!!

https://nationalsnowshow.com/
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just had an email with the dates for the snow show at the NEC in 2022, oct 15-16.
tickets go on sale in April, but hopefully there will be freebies again!!

https://nationalsnowshow.com/


Hmm that sounds pretty close to Oktobertest?
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terrygasson wrote:
just had an email with the dates for the snow show at the NEC in 2022, oct 15-16.
tickets go on sale in April, but hopefully there will be freebies again!!

https://nationalsnowshow.com/


And supposedly “double the size of the first edition”

But where are you seeing the October dates. I can’t see it in the email itself and the link just goes to the old bumf from this year’s show?
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hmmm - I wonder if that is because the London Ski & Snowboard Show is meant to be back at Battersea 27-20th of October and exhibitors would not want to do back-to-back weekends so they brought the NEC one forward.

https://www.londonskiandsnowboard.co.uk/

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A brand new experience is coming to Battersea Park in Autumn 2022. The festival will transport winter-sports fans and families to the mountains for four unforgettable days. Bringing together world resorts, the latest fashion for the slopes, winter sports retailers, pro-athletes, a 140ft ski jump, entertainment for all the family, and an après-ski party running late into the night. Make sure you don’t miss out! With a line up already of host Chemmy Alcott, DJ BBQ, Warren Smith, Team GB and more, alongside some of the biggest names exhibiting including Norway, Tirol, Crystal, Inghams and Planks, 2022 will no doubt be an event to remember.


140ft ski jump and night party makes it sound like it might be something close to the good old days of Freeze Big Air Puzzled
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terrygasson wrote:
just had an email with the dates for the snow show at the NEC in 2022, oct 15-16.
tickets go on sale in April, but hopefully there will be freebies again!!

https://nationalsnowshow.com/


And supposedly “double the size of the first edition”

But where are you seeing the October dates. I can’t see it in the email itself and the link just goes to the old bumf from this year’s show?


Ster -- In the link you quoted, look up into the top left hand corner....
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@albob, thanks, very (too) subtle. Don’t know why they just didn’t put the dates in the email.
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barracuda wrote:
hmmm - I wonder if that is because the London Ski & Snowboard Show is meant to be back at Battersea 27-20th of October and exhibitors would not want to do back-to-back weekends so they brought the NEC one forward.

https://www.londonskiandsnowboard.co.uk/

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A brand new experience is coming to Battersea Park in Autumn 2022. The festival will transport winter-sports fans and families to the mountains for four unforgettable days. Bringing together world resorts, the latest fashion for the slopes, winter sports retailers, pro-athletes, a 140ft ski jump, entertainment for all the family, and an après-ski party running late into the night. Make sure you don’t miss out! With a line up already of host Chemmy Alcott, DJ BBQ, Warren Smith, Team GB and more, alongside some of the biggest names exhibiting including Norway, Tirol, Crystal, Inghams and Planks, 2022 will no doubt be an event to remember.


140ft ski jump and night party makes it sound like it might be something close to the good old days of Freeze Big Air Puzzled


I suspect that's artistic / marketing license and reflects the length of the slope start to finish, not the distance jumped Wink

So basically what they've had the past couple of shows.

Hope I'm wrong.

Interesting that the London Show is coming back.

Very expensive for exhibitors to do both shows (unless it's run by the same company as the National Snow Show).
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