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@BobinCH, Jeremie's now on Scotts new Pure (109mm underfoot) which comes out in the Autumn for the 21/22 season. And they're also doing a junior version for your lad  . On paper I'd prefer the Pure over the Blank.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| @BobinCH, Jeremie's now on Scotts new Pure (109mm underfoot) which comes out in the Autumn for the 21/22 season. And they're also doing a junior version for your lad . On paper I'd prefer the Pure over the Blank. |
Fair enough, I stand corrected. Got any more details?
Pretty sure Slemett is still on his 114mm Rustler 11’s as he was in the lift the other day. And Markus Eder was going on about the Volkl Revolt 121. And what’s Candide on if it’s not the CT 5.0’s?
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People puking about a couple of MM, there's a fair amount of margin in the finished product you might end up with a few MM either side and loose that in your first service if putting your skis through machines, push button stylee in resort shops. Pretty sure the ideal with, as perviously stated is boot axis, it's at least where we're at with all our conversations with our partners, that and binding spread >33% of ski width. Just keep an open mind, don't believe too much hype and occasionally what you even thing your eyes are seeing. Many athletes are on skis made to look what you want to buy, even back in the day when Coreupt we're pushing you to buy the real athlete's ski, none of you we're, huge hoax and a dead business now. Feck the marketing, stick to basic maths, geometry and simple science. I can figure it out, so you guys should be able to.
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Interesting comments about a 17m turn radius. I recently bought a narrower Nordica Enforcer Free 104 in 179cm length to fit the gap between my fat ski and piste skis. This ski has a lot of rocker and a 17.5m radius. As well as being great fun off piste it can really carve on piste (it's quite a stiff heavy ski), not quite like a SL ski but very positive for fast short turns. @CH2O - they finally replaced the old Enforcers you sold me, they only lasted for 11 years of extensive use, can I have my money back?
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| CH2O wrote: |
| , that and binding spread >33% of ski width. |
What does this mean?
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| CH2O wrote: |
| , that and binding spread >33% of ski width. |
What does this mean? |
The boot axis and binding are spread over more than 33% of the ski width.... 
Like you, I need it translating into Anglais.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, I'm guessing but maybe distance between the narrowest pair of screws? can't see it being an issue for alpine bindings but some tech heel pieces are pretty narrow
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I can understand the width of the boot imposing a maximum sensible ski width, even if I'm not quite following all of the above. I understand the turn radius less. I'm not as good a skier as most of those skiing routinely off piste throughout the season. And, in comparison to anyone skiing professionally, it's less a question of "not in the same league" and more "not doing the same sport". But even I find a longer radius ski easier and more predictable in ungroomed terrain. Is this just so wide skis are better on piste or is there some other reason for it?
In short, imv, Shane got it right: sidecut sucks in powder. Position ski manufacturers seem to be getting to is "sidecut is fine in powder, provided that you have dialled in the amount of rocker and tip/tail taper you have".
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So all those people who have had a whale of a time off piste on Rossi Soul 7s are a figment of my imagination?
Yes I know they aren't charging Alaskan faces and I do take the point that side cut is not an advantage in deep snow but IME 17-18m is perfectly fine (if not optimal).
I think what is more of a problem than the radius per se is the tail shape. A 17m radius ski with a flat or rockered and straight or tapered tail is very easy in deep snow (easy to pivot and drift). Much less so if you have a full conventional sidecut and camber (hooky).
Despite that I have had loads of fun in deep snow on
Stockli Stormriders and Line Prophets both with full sidecut, traditional camber and 18m radius. Just takes a little more precision at the end of the turn
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| Arno wrote: |
| @Dave of the Marmottes, I'm guessing but maybe distance between the narrowest pair of screws? can't see it being an issue for alpine bindings but some tech heel pieces are pretty narrow |
That might make sense - can't see any other thing where the binding footprint would ever be less than 33% of ski width. I've got some sympathy with the widest part of the boot idea,
As for the radius thing - I don't think it's as big a deal as people think. Admittedly bias as having skied a Shaman as an all mountain ski for a few years but that was a powder wheelie machine on full camber and ridonkulous nose.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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As for the radius thing - I don't think it's as big a deal as people think.
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I suspect it says something unflattering about how old I am.
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You know it makes sense.
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Looking at the turn radius in isolation is pretty pointless as it's how that radius combines with the other features, namely the amount/relative length of taper, camber, rocker and stiffness etc. Combining a tighter radius with low camber and tip'n'tail rocker can often cause a hooky/unstable ski. The 3D radii found on many skis is deigned to combat that as there's less radius in the tips'n'tails than underfoot.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Arno wrote: |
| @Dave of the Marmottes, I'm guessing but maybe distance between the narrowest pair of screws? can't see it being an issue for alpine bindings but some tech heel pieces are pretty narrow |
All hybrid ski cores (not really the case here) the binding screw spread, the distance inbetween the narrowest two screws should be equal or above 33% of the overall width of the skis at their mounting point. This reduces "ripout" force of fragile lighter ski cores, and will soon be stnadard for all cores, or at least we're seeing this taken up more and more, hense ski widths coming down and binding spreads increasing.
The external Pivot point ( the Rivets fixing the collar to the clog) is being used as a meadurment for resistant forces, coupled with binding spread, again a reason ski widths decreasing and binding spreads increasing.
It's basically to help make better choices on behalf of all the Yankies skiing their 130mm bamboo core skis with Dynafit 150 Bindings with Scarpa F1 lights.........
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Tue 2-02-21 16:29; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Some Q&A from salomon freeski instagram profile:
Difference between old and new qst106:
106 new top sheet for 2021/22
What type of core:
new 98 and blank use a full poplar wood core
QST blank comparable ski:
tail rocker similar to the 118, but tip shape redesigned
Blank price:
Blank: $900 MSRP
New 98: $750 MSRP
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Salomon have been making good skis the past few years, and i liked the QST line a lot more than I expected too. I'm sure the new line are equally good, solid, functional skis... But they're really going hard on the hype train for something that doesn't really seem to bring anything new, innovative or particularly exciting to the table.
Not that anyone else seems to be doing much either. 2005 to 2015 or so saw a lot of innovation and new exciting designs and ideas, even if not all of them really panned out. We seem to be hitting a bit of a design plateaux in skis again now though, with most of the 'innovation' in branding rather than design - and Black Crows seem to be winning that game with their classic, almost retro 'golden age of skiing/skimo' vibes. Or maybe that's just Bruno. A lot more cool stuff going on in the binding world than skis though, I think.
I definitely also see a trend to narrowing waist widths to <120mm even for powder skis these days. But I think the bigger driver to that is just how much more quickly things get skied out now compared to 10 years ago, rather than inherent flaws/inefficiencies in superfat skis - 120mm+ skis (especially revers/reverse) DO still offer sensations you just can't match on narrower sticks, and will always have a place especially for eg high avalanche days when you need to stick to deep but low angle in the trees, but if you ski somewhere where everything is tracked out by noon (or needs a lot of traversing and billygoating to get to the untracked) even on pow days the trade-off makes less and less sense unless you can swap the superfats out at lunch.
Re. what the real pros use, definitely the real big mountain skiers are mostly around the 110-115m these days. But the more 'BC freestyle' guys are still skiing fatter skis - that's more a style thing, straight up charger or jibby surfer. And it wouldn't surprise me if Cham has more of the former compared to around here in AT.
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Salomon have been trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle of the X Scream, the 1080 and the Pocket Rocket for over 20 years. Not succeeded yet.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, those felt like truly innovative skis at the time. Changes in skis have felt more incremental over the last few years. That said, the QST lineup seems solid enough to me but not sure why I'd pick them over the offerings of the other bid brands
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Does anyone know what 'QST' stands for?
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@Tom Doc, I am pretty certain it stands for Quest, as they use to be Q-XX skis and it was the quest line - when they redesigned the skis they rebranded to QST to mark the change
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@extremerob, Ah ok, thanks.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Some of the boots have been “Quest” branded.
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| DJL wrote: |
| Some of the boots have been “Quest” branded. |
Yeah, I remember them, I was thinking more of an abbreviation than a de-vowelling (is that a word? I'm pretty sure it or one similar was used in a Blister podcast about 4FRNT and WNDR skis).
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You know it makes sense.
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