@davidof, so we're off to Monaco tomorrow, where much like France we no longer need stupid masks outside, other than "near markets, in usual opening hours, on alternate odd Thursdays, when cats play, and perhaps if dogs poo is full, or perhaps partial sunshine after midnight"
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@under a new name, we were trying to work out if you need a mask for an ice cream stand (effectively outside) from 1st July when the rules change again. Outside = no mask. Gastronomy = no mask (because tested/recovered/vaccinated). Takeaway = no testing/recovery/vaccination requirement. Therefore, mask?
At least most of the horrible, sweaty FFP2s can go in the bin in 2 weeks time. I suspect everyone will quickly “forget” when buying ice cream.
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Still trying to understand the requirements
@davidof, so we're off to Monaco tomorrow, where much like France we no longer need stupid masks outside, other than "near markets, in usual opening hours, on alternate odd Thursdays, when cats play, and perhaps if dogs poo is full, or perhaps partial sunshine after midnight"
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I went to vote this afternoon and had thought masks were over outside but no - not in our town and got ticked off. There is a local bye law I didn't know about.
Well regardless of the science or otherwise politics dressed up with science will be the main driver - This from a daily Risk Update that a leading High Street Bank puts out:
"Boris Johnson has stated that the Covid data is looking good for lifting restriction on the 19th of July, however he has warned that it will be a difficult year for travel, casting doubts over foreign summer holidays. He suggested that international travel will not return to normal until next year, even though over 31m adults have had their second vaccine dose and over 43m have had their first. In Covid stats today, the 7-day average for new Covid cases climbed to its highest level since the 25th February, with 10,633 new infections. Nevertheless, the trend for new hospitalisations, although rising, is doing so at a slower pace than in earlier waves and, across the UK at large, the number of people in hospital with Covid remains at relatively low levels (1,316 compared to a peak of almost 40,000). "
Says to me regardless of whether we achieve herd immunity or not travel restrictions wont be lifted entirely by the end of Summer which does beg the question whether, with the Winter months approaching whether they would take the Conservative view and protect Christmas and keep the traffic light system in force.
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davidof wrote:
I went to vote this afternoon and had thought masks were over outside but no - not in our town and got ticked off. There is a local bye law I didn't know about.
I always wonder why they called them "bye-laws", suppose it is just a more friendly way of saying Fk'off.
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Merkel is Right
This is NOT a Brexit issue .. This is a Delta virus containment issue.
If Brits are let into Spain Greece etc
It will mean EU Citizens will be warned not to Visit those Countries or face Quarantine on return
Therefore Greece ,Spain etc will have a Choice of Quarantining Brits or Losing ALL of its EU visitors
There are probably some international optics at play here, but are UK govt actually doing anything to reduce/contain Delta variant cases, apart from encouraging vaccine uptake? It may not be a big issue locally if hospitals are coping, but until the UK loses its designation as a variant area, travel is going to remain difficult and if the opportunity to travel this summer is lost, there is a real possibility that it may not become possible again until next summer.
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stanton wrote:
Merkel is Right
This is NOT a Brexit issue .. This is a Delta virus containment issue.
If Brits are let into Spain Greece etc
It will mean EU Citizens will be warned not to Visit those Countries or face Quarantine on return
Therefore Greece ,Spain etc will have a Choice of Quarantining Brits or Losing ALL of its EU visitors
Spain & Greece are reliant on tourism & I doubt the EU are going to make up the shortfall.
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@Scarlet, it could be that from a government view, foreign governments imposing travel restrictions neatly assists U.K. public health without much political side effect.
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UK numbers don't look great. But do we know the full testing details and regimes in various countries.
Are UK tests only those tests of people with symptoms?? In which case it is bad as it would imply that asymtomatic cases are lying undiscovered.
Or is there a small/significant/majority proportion of positives being picked up by routine LFTs from asymptomatic cases and then confirmed by PCR??
It would appear that UK is routinely testing in large numbers, Daily Telegraph reported 10 times as many tests as Germany, so probably will find more cases.
And UK seems to do more genome analysis.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I wouldn't believe any stats in the papers.
In Germany a couple of weeks ago if you wanted or needed to go in to a shop, or have a mop crop, or sit outside on a bar/cafe terrace you needed a test no older than 24 hours. Since the numbers have dropped to a low, a test is no longer needed. There are still queues outside of the pop up test centers (shed loads - there are at least 5 within a few minutes walk of my house), although obviously the queues are not as long now.
There are still people quoting the January sequencing stats in the papers, mainly cos it was a story then, but isn't now, and nothing newer appears in google searches. Sure it might not be as high as UK, but January news is not valid news in June.
10x as many? If that's the case then all the pop-up walk-in test centres results are not counted unless positive. Or they cherry picked the data for the week after the requirement was relaxed.
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Just dug in OWID. Which seems to confirm The Daily Telegraph report that UK is testing 10x D numbers in last week or so.
UK 14906/million daily tests, 164/million cases.
D 1207/million daily tests, 11/million cases.
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
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colinstone wrote:
Just dug in OWID. Which seems to confirm The Daily Telegraph report that UK is testing 10x D numbers in last week or so.
UK 14906/million daily tests, 164/million cases.
D 1207/million daily tests, 11/million cases.
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
Exactly. The more you dig, the more you find.
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iainm wrote:
Are you on an EU passport @davidof ?
Yes
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Mr.Egg wrote:
stanton wrote:
Merkel is Right
This is NOT a Brexit issue .. This is a Delta virus containment issue.
If Brits are let into Spain Greece etc
It will mean EU Citizens will be warned not to Visit those Countries or face Quarantine on return
Therefore Greece ,Spain etc will have a Choice of Quarantining Brits or Losing ALL of its EU visitors
Spain & Greece are reliant on tourism & I doubt the EU are going to make up the shortfall.
I doubt it too. From what I read the Germans are staying home in large numbers. Have a friend living in the Italian Lakes and the place is basically empty.
Merkel won't keep Delta/Delta+ out for long and you'd be a fool for thinking it isn't already at large in the EU as people from India didn't just transit through hubs to the UK. And who knows what other variants are out there resistant to vaccines, especially if countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal put tourism first, and I think it'll all come at a bad time for next ski season. As people move from outdoors to indoors and viruses spread more easily, we'll be back into local lockdowns and yet more travel restrictions. Just look at the Netherlands v Czech Rep in Budapest yesterday - looked like a super-spreader event to me if ever I saw one.
It's not a Brexit issue but Merkel has painted us as unclean pariahs and that alone has me wanting to spend my dosh here (which is probably a good thing) and she needs to act more like a problem solver than a finger pointer.
it could be that from a government view, foreign governments imposing travel restrictions neatly assists U.K. public health without much political side effect.
That may well be true, or at least convenient, but it does not answer my question as to whether anything is being done beyond vaccination. Should I infer from the silence that the answer is no?
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Mr.Egg wrote:
stanton wrote:
Merkel is Right
This is NOT a Brexit issue .. This is a Delta virus containment issue.
If Brits are let into Spain Greece etc
It will mean EU Citizens will be warned not to Visit those Countries or face Quarantine on return
Therefore Greece ,Spain etc will have a Choice of Quarantining Brits or Losing ALL of its EU visitors
Spain & Greece are reliant on tourism & I doubt the EU are going to make up the shortfall.
I doubt it too. From what I read the Germans are staying home in large numbers. Have a friend living in the Italian Lakes and the place is basically empty.
Merkel won't keep Delta/Delta+ out for long and you'd be a fool for thinking it isn't already at large in the EU as people from India didn't just transit through hubs to the UK. And who knows what other variants are out there resistant to vaccines, especially if countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal put tourism first, and I think it'll all come at a bad time for next ski season. As people move from outdoors to indoors and viruses spread more easily, we'll be back into local lockdowns and yet more travel restrictions. Just look at the Netherlands v Czech Rep in Budapest yesterday - looked like a super-spreader event to me if ever I saw one.
It's not a Brexit issue but Merkel has painted us as unclean pariahs and that alone has me wanting to spend my dosh here (which is probably a good thing) and she needs to act more like a problem solver than a finger pointer.
unfortunately i have to agree with you.
Portugal is at present a Delta Variante Risiko Area for Germany...meaning tha returning from there you have to stay 14 Days in Quarantäne...and 100% many other countries will follow...of course i am talking from the German side of the world...but i dont see the things really good right now...as regards as the next ski saison....
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Mr.Egg wrote:
stanton wrote:
Merkel is Right
This is NOT a Brexit issue .. This is a Delta virus containment issue.
If Brits are let into Spain Greece etc
It will mean EU Citizens will be warned not to Visit those Countries or face Quarantine on return
Therefore Greece ,Spain etc will have a Choice of Quarantining Brits or Losing ALL of its EU visitors
I doubt it too. From what I read the Germans are staying home in large numbers. Have a friend living in the Italian Lakes and the place is basically empty.
I'm in the lakes at the moment.
Bit of a pita getting paperwork together to travel.
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It is the two facedness of it all I cannot cope with.
Politicians, UEFA football luvvies can do as they want. It appears Mutti might be coming to the UK on Friday to see BoJo. Fine - but if the UK is so dangerous, is she going to be quarantining for x days on return?
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@countryman, I was thinking this this morning. Surely she will cancel her visit on account of her position? nonsensical otherwise
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@countryman, I was thinking this this morning. Surely she will cancel her visit on account of her position? nonsensical otherwise
Persons entering from “low-risk” countries should be able to prove they have only stayed there within the last ten days and show proof of vaccination, recovery or a negative test from Covid-19.
How do you prove that when traveling within Europe? I‘ve only been in Switzerland for the last 10 days (in fact much longer) but how would I prove I‘ve not been in France, Italy, Germany? (Hypothetical question, I‘ve no current plans to travel to Austria).
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@Mankei, As far as I can see, that only states that UK travellers can't easily get in at the moment, it doesn't mention anything about the ban being extended until September.
I query it because, as well as not seeing any other announcements about this supposed extension, Austrian corona laws tend to only be valid for 3 or 4 weeks at a time and then they have to be renewed. A 2 month ban would be outside the current NOP, which makes me suspect it is bollux. That's not to say there won't be a ban on UK travellers until September, just that it's too early to say.
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Gämsbock wrote:
How do you prove that when traveling within Europe? I‘ve only been in Switzerland for the last 10 days (in fact much longer) but how would I prove I‘ve not been in France, Italy, Germany? (Hypothetical question, I‘ve no current plans to travel to Austria).
I believe that you point to the Swiss plate on your car, and they wave you through
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@Scarlet, in practice driving across the border I guess would be as easy as that, same as the local FR/DE borders here. Not so sure about flights, even within Schengen - C got a hard time transiting Schiphol en route from CH to UK last night along those lines. They let him through in the end but didn‘t seem prepared to just accept he‘d only been in CH. Was wondering what they actually expect or whether it‘s just an excuse to give random or suspicious passengers a hard time.
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This is why I think that the simple Vaccination Certificate requirement will trump the expensive, convoluted and sometimes unenforceable arrangements and regulations around tests. So we'll get to a situation where immigration officers will only allow entry with a vaccination certificate, plus demand quarantine for some nationalities. Two very simple rules that are easy to enforce. It looks like this is the strategy of the UK and EU if today's article 'UK and Brussels near deal on Covid passport' is anything to go by.
The complication may come over those who can't be vaccinated for legitimate reasons. And for children/teenagers, while uncertainty remains over the risks of vaccination. The hope will be that the various tests will remain as an alternative. My feeling is that testing will have to persist as a satisfactory alternative to full vaccination because too many people of all ages and profiles will need to travel for business and to see relatives etc. let alone holidays.
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Brits should just forget about Travel into the EU this summer and beyond...
IF Brits (legally resident) are already living with the EU travel is not a problem for them..
From July 1st the EU Vaccination Certificate will be online... EU Citizens can access their individual Government Digital Portals and
obtain the certificate (Providing you have been FULLY approved vaccinated)...
There maybe a situation that the AZN vaccine maybe delisted as an approved vaccine ...because it is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna Vaccines with the Delta variant.
The Netherlands is providing FREE PCR Testing for all Holidaymakers for July & August
Two tests are possible, a PCR test or anti-genic test. Which person needs depends on the country you are going to and the means of transport you are travelling with.
Just dug in OWID. Which seems to confirm The Daily Telegraph report that UK is testing 10x D numbers in last week or so.
UK 14906/million daily tests, 164/million cases.
D 1207/million daily tests, 11/million cases.
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
Exactly. The more you dig, the more you find.
No. That's kind of a statistical artefact. Germany counts only proper PCR tests, while the UK includes POC rapid antigen tests. Like many other developed countries Germany has implemented a widespread antigen test regime in schools, at the workplace and so called public test centers (free of charge). These tests just don't make it into the German statistic.
Btw, did you know that there is scientific evidence, that people who consume bs-news are significantly worse informed than the ones who don't consume any news at all?
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From July 1st the EU Vaccination Certificate will be online... EU Citizens can access their individual Government Digital Portals and
obtain the certificate (Providing you have been FULLY approved vaccinated)...
Just to confirm that “fully vaccinated” is not a universally defined term and means different things in different countries.
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There maybe a situation that the AZN vaccine maybe delisted as an approved vaccine ...because it is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna Vaccines with the Delta variant.
This is very unlikely to happen, as AZ has been widely used throughout most of Europe and accounts for circa 50% of vaccinations.
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Scarlet wrote:
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From July 1st the EU Vaccination Certificate will be online... EU Citizens can access their individual Government Digital Portals and
obtain the certificate (Providing you have been FULLY approved vaccinated)...
Just to confirm that “fully vaccinated” is [b]not a universally defined term and means different things in different countries. [/b]
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There maybe a situation that the AZN vaccine maybe delisted as an approved vaccine ...because it is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna Vaccines with the Delta variant.
This is very unlikely to happen, as AZ has been widely used throughout most of Europe and accounts for circa 50% of vaccinations.
That's a good point to raise. We have seen Malta indicating that 2 jabs are required to enter without quarantine, which is fine for most adults, but not for kids as the majority have not been vaccinated. Per Malta's rules, kids 12 and over need to have 2 jabs to be allowed entry without a 14 day quarantine period. Kids between 11 and 5 need a PCR test to clear them for entry. I wouldn't be surprised that these are some of the quirks in the restrictions that we see this winter in countries like France/Austria/Italy
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Scarlet wrote:
There's nothing in the regular press about this. Does anyone have a link to an official govt page that says this?
Please post if you find anything! I've already postponed an Austrian trip from July to August. I must say, it seems a bit odd to make a rule to last until September when it's not even July yet. I've had Covid and 2 jabs so I reckon I'm at peak immunity and ready to rumble. It can only go downhill from here .
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Pruman wrote:
Merkel won't keep Delta/Delta+ out for long (...)
It's not a Brexit issue but Merkel has painted us as unclean pariahs...
No, she probably won't. But guess what, she knows it. But every single day she manages to push back on Delta, 800,000 more Germans will be vaccinated.
I don't know about pariahs. But this is actually a Brexit issue. BoJo didn't shut the door on India, against scientific advice, because he didn't want to disturb free trade negotiations.
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