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@LaForet, pretty sure EHIC continuance has been ruled out by the UK.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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2 points -
1. for example the French rules for 3rd countries:
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/
And UK will be in para 2
2. And a comment elsewhere that travel insurance premiums will rise to cover most or all of the current £156m overseas health care costs of travellers, which I presume but not stated, is the EHIC cost to UK.
I'm planning to go to my boat in N France on 26 Dec, then rented Swiss apartment 31 Dec till at least mid March. And I have an application in for French Carte de Sejour, otherwise it will be a French long term visa.
I definitely don't want to be in UK in January. If we thought bare shelves in lockdown was bad, January will be terrible.
All those non thinking Brexiteers will suddenly find quite severe food inflation, 10% car tariffs taking us back to the old 10% car tax, etc etc.
And even Ratcliffe/Ineos have cut and run to build the Grenadier car in France instead of Bridgend.
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If we thought bare shelves in lockdown was bad, January will be terrible.
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New year’s diet will start off well, so every cloud 
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@Weathercam, Yep. So if your holiday starts on, or after 1/1/2021, then the EHIC is not valid. 
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@Alastair Pink, I think the “a” gives it away. She can visit ... as can her household. So bring your sleeping bag, we’re moving in  |
But is it the case that to have a Meldezettel the property has to be your main residence?
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As for EHIC rule, yes but will the local hospitals etc know that interpretation??
And that NHS page has changed. Section on transition doesn't appear to be there. Now this:
Visits to the EU that start in 2020 and end in 2021
If you're visiting an EU country over the Christmas and New Year period, your UK EHIC entitlements will continue until you leave that country to either:
return to the UK
visit another EU country
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It's all about "taking back control". The EU and EU member states have taken control, and unsurprisingly the UK is excluded - you don't leave the club and still have unfettered access to the clubhouse!
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@Austrian Seagull, yes a Meldezettel is from your Gemeinde and it's a registration of your main residence. Anmeldebescheunigung is either your full residency right or second home residency as an EU/EEA citizen obtained from your BH. Of course these are irrelevant to Brits from 1.1.21. Those living permanently in Austria need to apply for an Article 50 EUV and those who do not are subject to the 90-day rule.
Only for Austria of course.
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I think this - Covid + Brexit - is conflating two already very uncertain unknowns.
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+1 No useful purpose served by getting too het up today. The long term possibilities are so dismal that the uncertainty about it all is perhaps a faint hope to hang on to...... We don't yet know for certain that we're fecked.
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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
@Austrian Seagull, yes a Meldezettel is from your Gemeinde and it's a registration of your main residence. Anmeldebescheunigung is either your full residency right or second home residency as an EU/EEA citizen obtained from your BH. Of course these are irrelevant to Brits from 1.1.21. Those living permanently in Austria need to apply for an Article 50 EUV and those who do not are subject to the 90-day rule.
Only for Austria of course. |
Agreed, which doesn’t help Hells Bells, who wants to visit her Austrian second home after 1 Jan.
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| Austrian Seagull wrote: |
| Agreed, which doesn’t help Hells Bells, who wants to visit her Austrian second home after 1 Jan. |
Her apartment is in France, not Austria.
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You know it makes sense.
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@colinstone, a similar strategy to ourselves though minus the boat 
Did retirees application this week, though not too sure we'll take it up yet, but gives us six months.
Votre demande de titre de séjour a été instruite par la préfecture. Elle porte le numéro suivant : 44***** (numéro «GED» à rappeler dans vos futures démarches).
Vous êtes invité(e) à prendre rendez-vous auprès de votre préfecture pour finaliser votre démarche (prise d'empreintes biométriques et photographie).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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BBC about to update soon. This just hit the webpage.
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EU publishes contingency plans in case of possible collapse of Brexit trade talks with the UK, including measures for air and road travel
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version."
Link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Android2000 wrote: |
UK citizens can currently travel to (say) Germany, it’s just that they are required to do a period of quarantine on arrival, as indeed are German citizens returning from UK.
In January the situation will be entirely different.
There will be no right to travel to (say) Germany unless for one of the exempted reasons. |
Finland offers no automatic rights to travel to/from other EU/EEC Countries
Its a Countries decision who to let in, who not, who has to quarantine & who does not.
Its not EU law & it certainly is not EU v Brexit
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| Android2000 wrote: |
UK citizens can currently travel to (say) Germany, it’s just that they are required to do a period of quarantine on arrival, as indeed are German citizens returning from UK.
In January the situation will be entirely different.
There will be no right to travel to (say) Germany unless for one of the exempted reasons. |
Finland offers no automatic rights to travel to/from other EU/EEC Countries
Its a Countries decision who to let in, who not, who has to quarantine & who does not.
Its not EU law & it certainly is not EU v Brexit |
Brexit is relevant from January, because as stated above the UK becomes a third country. Only a small number of states with v. low Covid cases rates are permitted to enter Schengen, and this IS a matter of EU Law:
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-9208-2020-INIT/en/pdf
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Given the UK has imposed quarantine on return from the vast majority of the EU, there are no surprises here.
But it won't be long before Swiss style self interest will emerge. Protests in Bourg against the killing of the Tarentaise ski industry, along the costas etc.
Given that most of the EU has mismanaged the second wave, with even the German exception almost a distant memory, it may be better for us all if we limited travel, even if that is gutting for skiers. As some countries have now managed to get the infection rates down others are still rising.
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Aah, B****t. The gift that keeps on taking away.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Austrian Seagull wrote: |
| Agreed, which doesn’t help Hells Bells, who wants to visit her Austrian second home after 1 Jan. |
Her apartment is in France, not Austria. |
Apologies for confusing anyone. The point I was trying to make is that second home ownership in Austria won’t give UK nationals an automatic right of entry to Austria post 1 Jan if the current US arrangements are applied to the UK.
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| colinstone wrote: |
2 points -
1. for example the French rules for 3rd countries:
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/
And UK will be in para 2
2. And a comment elsewhere that travel insurance premiums will rise to cover most or all of the current £156m overseas health care costs of travellers, which I presume but not stated, is the EHIC cost to UK.
I'm planning to go to my boat in N France on 26 Dec, then rented Swiss apartment 31 Dec till at least mid March. And I have an application in for French Carte de Sejour, otherwise it will be a French long term visa.
I definitely don't want to be in UK in January. If we thought bare shelves in lockdown was bad, January will be terrible.
All those non thinking Brexiteers will suddenly find quite severe food inflation, 10% car tariffs taking us back to the old 10% car tax, etc etc.
And even Ratcliffe/Ineos have cut and run to build the Grenadier car in France instead of Bridgend. |
Not having a go a you personally really but you’ve just articulated exactly why so many less well off people voted for it. Advertising how wealthy you are is so neuveu riche. Maybe you should stay here and use you resources to help feed starving brexiteers
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| Austrian Seagull wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Austrian Seagull wrote: |
| Agreed, which doesn’t help Hells Bells, who wants to visit her Austrian second home after 1 Jan. |
Her apartment is in France, not Austria. |
Apologies for confusing anyone. The point I was trying to make is that second home ownership in Austria won’t give UK nationals an automatic right of entry to Austria post 1 Jan if the current US arrangements are applied to the UK. |
Except the exemptions seemingly do provide for this .
• Persons with a residence in Austria the EU, EEA, or Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Switzerland or the UK and persons living in the same household
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| luigi wrote: |
Usually would have been making plans and booking flights/accommodation by now for Half Term 2021. Just too much uncertainty for me...safety/operation of flights, airline failure, overall economic uncertainty, safety of being in enclosed lifts, border closure, quarantine restrictions, etc.
2021 is definitely wait & see. If an effective vaccine gets delivered and things look ok before half-term, it will be a last-minute trip. If the prices are sky-high, I will likely have to pass. |
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I admire the positivity and fully hope it will all be ok, but I'm not laying out my hard-earned cash until I'm certain the virus risk has been mitigated, there aren't going to be more waves of infection or an ongoing deepening economic malaise. Still way too many downside risks for me to start jumping now!  |
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| Jonny996 wrote: |
in the UK we are 8 weeks into this, 8 weeks & look how much has changed. Other countries are starting to open up after 10 weeks, 2 weeks before the quoted 12 week period that was banding about, now the next ski season is some 30+ weeks away, so I say less of the scaremongering & a bit more positivity.
I already have 6 trips planned & I can assure you I will fit a couple more in, lets be a bit more positive. |
Until the second wave of death plague slams into the Alps next winter. |
Even thou we’re still living through it, you still don’t get it. The second wave will not slam into the Alps, it will slam into everywhere if it comes.
You just sit wherever you are waiting for cancer to get you & leave us to be positive |
I'm not defending Whitegold's provocative language, he likes to troll, but a second wave of infection next winter, if not before is a distinct possibility without a vaccine or the fabled 'herd immunity'.
You're right it could affect many places, but flights, leisure accommodation and lift operations could well be curtailed as they were in the first wave, so my argument is why throw hard-earned at them now when you don't know what will be happening then?
I do hope it will all go away as fast as it arrived, but it's too soon to be jumping the gun IMHO |
Seems like my comments back in May quoted above were quite prescient...not sure they were welcome at the time though!
I still hope Boris can pull something out of his hat, so Jonny996 can get his 6 trips in though! 
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=152153&start=120#4592982
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| Austrian Seagull wrote: |
| The point I was trying to make is that second home ownership in Austria won’t give UK nationals an automatic right of entry to Austria post 1 Jan if the current US arrangements are applied to the UK. |
Yes, the reality of life as a Third Country.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@GlasgowCyclops, maybe it gets absorbed quicker through lobster red skin and freckles. 
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Except the exemptions seemingly do provide for this .
• Persons with a residence in Austria the EU, EEA, or Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Switzerland or the UK and persons living in the same household |
Will those exemptions apply after 31 December 2020?
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You know it makes sense.
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The full wording is “ Persons with a residence in Austria the EU, EEA, or Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Switzerland or the UK and persons living in the same household (i.e. holders of a "Meldezettel") ”
My point is that second home owners will not have a Meldezettel.
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Poster: A snowHead
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So people are fed up of blaming Brexit on everything, so then blame covid...now its back to brexit, we’ll all be blaming it on the boogey next i suppose
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| yorkshirelad wrote: |
| we’ll all be blaming it on the boogey next i suppose |
I think that is the reason for everyone's existence, so ultimately yes!!
The world might have been spared if a lot of people's parents had never done the Boogie!!
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| r11s wrote: |
Except the exemptions seemingly do provide for this .
• Persons with a residence in Austria the EU, EEA, or Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Switzerland or the UK and persons living in the same household |
Will those exemptions apply after 31 December 2020? |
I'd be fascinated to see if this works for other countries in the EU ie. I am on the deeds of a property in Spain (well my maiden name me is!) and we could use this to visit France. Although if not France, would it work for driving through other countries to say visit Austria?
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This confluence of circumstances is presenting British skiers with a formidable labyrinth of items to be considered and researched before making a trip. The prospect of this will put a significant portion off before they even start thinking about it. A further group will, like me, be looking at January and thinking that with a no deal Brexit likely, there will be punitive measures taken by the Eurocracy. So, to a sizeable minority or possibly even a small majority, the shrinking ski season is further reduced in length. Plus, the fear of travel that has been brought about by the Government and media over COVID-19 has hammered consumer confidence in the already decimated sector, an entire day's scheduled flights from Heathrow now fits on three screens.
I'm of the mind that there is always a way to do something, the question to be answered is to what lengths will you go to do it, but we have here two major obstacles: the deterrence policies from Brexit and the C19 panic on international travel, and the market for travel/accommodation/resort options that is virtually unrecognizable from one year ago. Any trip now will cost more in time(more time spent planning and adjusting things for when favorable windows open up) and money, because we will want more flexibility and protection, as is usual in a damaged market.
Whatever your position and thoughts on Brexit and COVID-19, I'd like to put the following question out: Where will the burden of this strangest of ski seasons fall heaviest?
For some context, I voted remain but am not unhappy about Brexit. Whilst I've friends in France and Germany, and love visiting other countries, I don't approve of the EU. More government is, in my view, generally not an improvement for most matters.
For practical information on travel after Jan 1st...get in touch with an embassy. If you do go, make sure you have insurance!
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| Android2000 wrote: |
UK citizens will not have such a right to enter any EU state. As of 1st January. As a direct consequence of Brexit. |
we all new that when voting.
Leave the customs union
leave the single market
end free movement
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| andy from embsay wrote: |
| What would happen if the Swiss plough their own furrow and allow UK to fly to GVA? Assuming the border between CH and F stays open? |
That's what I am pinning my hopes on.......
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