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So relaxed here it's not true, police don't seem to be interested. Seeing loads of people obviously going hiking with rucksacks and poles. There was even a guy paraponting yesterday, ok 1 hour and 1 km is achievable but ... Shocked Very quiet though so they probably haven't many concerns. I'm mainly going out on my MTB, sticking to 1 hour and not exactly 1 km but not much further, roads and lowest paths at the bottom of the pistes.
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@Claude B, interesting, it's good that people are still taking exercise anyway. Just a minor quibble, isn't it parapenting? Toofy Grin
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It is, my bad. In fact he's up there already this morning, before 9.
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@Claude B, evidently loads of PGHM in Briancon not endearing themselves to the locals by openly having lunch en masse in one of the main hotels.

Evidently, they're all on exercise up in the mountains and on the frontier.

And that guy in the sky could well be an instructor so as per Davidoffs link on the previous page is exempt from the 1km 1hr rule
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France is apparently going to change the lockdown rules. The "5000 cases per day" rule wouldn't be reached until April so they now say a R0 of less than 1 will be good to ease lockdown. This could happen before Christmas.
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Can confirm the exemption for instructors. We've been out mountain biking and I'll consider going for a tour if it snows (MTB guide and snowboard instructor). Advice from our professional association is to use discretion and to remain as local as possible. Or, to paraphrase, don't take the piss.
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That's probably how the guy parapenting is getting away with it, there are several moniteurs here, summer and winter.
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Tightening of controls from today.
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Got controlled again today - some of the Gendarms were nice, or at list civile, some were nasty and DON'T know the opening schedules of the local shops, as normal my paperwork past muster.
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Getting very silly now rolling eyes

Having to wear a mask when out walking in the mountains, that said you can't theoretically go 1km from home?

Le port du masque obligatoire en Savoie, y compris dans les espaces naturels : une "mesure idiote" pour les promeneurs

Depuis le 3 novembre, l'obligation du port du masque a été étendue à tout l'espace public de la Savoie, y compris en pleine nature. Une mesure que les promeneurs ne comprennent pas.

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/auvergne-rhone-alpes/savoie/port-du-masque-obligatoire-savoie-y-compris-espaces-naturels-mesure-idiote-promeneurs-1892868.html
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"Les promeneurs ne comprennent pas", I take it that is an understatement @Weathercam.

However it does seem to be what people are doing, I had the St Gervais webcam open in another tab and magnifying the image people do seem to wearing masks (Haute Savoie, but I assume that is under the same requirements as Savoie). Plenty of people in the square it being market day and nice weather - though I can't help wondering whether some of the clusters of people apparently chatting are all from the same household. Perhaps the outdoor mask-wearing edict is to compensate for an observed inability of the French to adhere to social distancing.
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In Isère it's only mandatory outside in towns with a population of more than 5K. They are starting to crack down on hikers though, not that it's apparent here.

https://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers-justice/2020/11/11/isere-coronavirus-covid-19-sante-confinement-non-respecte-en-montagne-attention-les-gendarmes-veillent?
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Can confirm the exemption for instructors. We've been out mountain biking and I'll consider going for a tour if it snows (MTB guide and snowboard instructor). Advice from our professional association is to use discretion and to remain as local as possible. Or, to paraphrase, don't take the piss.


Am I being dim, or is there some logic to the instructor exemption I'm not seeing. So instructors can go on a longer hike/ride/tour/ski/fly/whatever but they can't, presumably, take a client? So what's the point of the exemption? How is it necessary for them to do these activities simply as it's their trade when they can't actually earn any money at it at present? Is it that they 'need' to keep practicing whatever activity they instruct in, I guess some may be in the process of working towards further quals?
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@midgetbiker, for top UIAGM guides at least, they have to stay fit so it's hugely important that they are not restricted to just an hour, but there again there are many that don't bother with maintaining that high level of fitness.

They would also argue that as soon as the snow comes they'll be out there and with each snowfall they'll get a solid understanding of how the snowpack developed as it were, if that makes sense ?

Also this time of year it's their down-time before they start working with clients, a few I know are out there with their wives etc which they can't do when the season really kicks off.
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davidof wrote:
France is apparently going to change the lockdown rules. The "5000 cases per day" rule wouldn't be reached until April so they now say a R0 of less than 1 will be good to ease lockdown. This could happen before Christmas.

That's good news. I hadnt heard of a '5000 cases' threshold, is that previously stated govt policy?
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iainm wrote:
davidof wrote:
France is apparently going to change the lockdown rules. The "5000 cases per day" rule wouldn't be reached until April so they now say a R0 of less than 1 will be good to ease lockdown. This could happen before Christmas.

That's good news. I hadnt heard of a '5000 cases' threshold, is that previously stated govt policy?


Yes.

Latest news, lockdown to continue to around the 18th December. Afterwards some easing but non French won't be allowed to ski over Christmas.


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Non French or non French residents?

Don’t think the extension has been confirmed, and at least schools are staying open so parents have a permanent justification for driving around a lot
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Non French or non French residents?


Non french residents, in all likelyhood. Details not announced but may be restricted to 100km.
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at least schools are staying open so parents have a permanent justification for driving around a lot


well driving to and from school, if you are somewhere else expect to get fined, if stopped
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Non french residents, in all likelyhood. Details not announced but may be restricted to 100km.


Ooh I hope they are till after new years......some ski lifts will be open and NO crowds Wink
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Where did you hear that non residents won't be allowed in?
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@davidof, that's a blow. We had been optimistically thinking we could visit forjust a few days at the very beginning of December. I guess we need to look at the details.
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Where did you hear that non residents won't be allowed in?


It's going to be a very limited deconfinement for Christmas.
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davidof wrote:
iainm wrote:
davidof wrote:
France is apparently going to change the lockdown rules. The "5000 cases per day" rule wouldn't be reached until April so they now say a R0 of less than 1 will be good to ease lockdown. This could happen before Christmas.

That's good news. I hadnt heard of a '5000 cases' threshold, is that previously stated govt policy?


Yes.

Latest news, lockdown to continue to 15th December. Afterwards some easing but non French won't be allowed to ski over Christmas.


Where did you get 15th December? I think you really need to start posting sources. I watched Castex live tonight and live in the Savoie.

The latest news that I have (https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/live/2020/11/12/covid-19-suivez-en-direct-la-conference-de-presse-de-jean-castex-sur-la-situation-sanitaire_6059507_3244.html) is that on 1st December there will be some easing, certain businesses allowed to open, but bars, gyms etc will remain closed. With no further info on date. Sounds like they plan to ease up again around Xmas, but big gatherings unlikely.

No mention of skiing or travel for leisure reasons.
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davidof wrote:
WishIWasFitter wrote:
Where did you hear that non residents won't be allowed in?


It's going to be a very limited deconfinement for Christmas.


You’re starting to sound like a French version of Stanton
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@davidof, @timlongs, and others, does anyone know exactly what was decided about the end date? UK media (OK, journalists probably have the same dodgy O level French as me) seem to suggest Castex simply said lockdown would continue for another 2 weeks which it was due to do anyway subject to an interim review. Is it certain it will extend beyond 2 December?
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https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-lockdown-No-change-for-at-least-two-weeks

12 NOVEMBER 2020

France lockdown: No change for at least two weeks
Prime Minister Jean Castex made the announcement tonight, asking everyone in France to respect the rules. We summarise the key points of his speech
12 November 2020
Prime Minister Jean Castex gave an update on the coronavirus situation two weeks after the introduction of a second national lockdown
By Connexion journalist
France's prime minister Jean Castex has said that France’s lockdown, introduced October 30, will remain unchanged until at least December 1.

When President Macron announced the lockdown he promised there would be an update after two weeks at which point tighter or more relaxed restrictions could be announced.

However Mr Castex said there will be no immediate change and asks everyone to respect the rules and continue the recommended sanitary measures including airing rooms.

He said that from December 1 shops may be permitted to open, depending on the Covid situation, but not bars or restaurants. He also said that exemption forms (attestations de déplacement) will remain even beyond December 1.

Key points from Mr Castex’s announcement include:

Christmas and New Year.
Mr Castex said: "Our objective is to be able to allow a new easing [of rules] at the time of the Christmas holidays so that the people in France can spend the end of the year festivities with their families, but these will not be able to take place in the same way as usual. We will of course be able to be with our own family, but it would not be reasonable to hope to be able to organise big parties for several dozen people, especially on New Year’s Eve."
There will be a possible easing of rules on December 1 but it will strictly be for shops
Bars, restaurants and sports halls will remain closed even with an easing of rules for shops
Exemption forms (attestations de déplacement) will remain even beyond December 1
Economy. Mr Castex promised to continue providing “large-scale economic support to all the shops and businesses that have been forced to close."
In the last two months he said: “We have seen more than 10,000 additional deaths in France, one death in four is due to this disease today.”
In the last few days there has been one hospitalisation every 30 seconds and one admission to intensive care every three minutes
40% of the people admitted to the ICU are aged under 65
Economic activity could fall by at least 12% in November; this is three times less than in spring
In the next few days, each of the 800 university halls of residence in France will have two student representatives to help, in particular, first-year students or students in difficulty
There are 22% fewer commutes between homes and workplaces than in September
Long-distance train journeys fell by 85%
Domestic air travel is at 10% of normal capacity
45% of private employees worked at home last week for an average of 3.7 days per week. "But there is still room for improvement," Mr Castex said.
The peak of the second wave could be reached early next week
Mr Castex indicated that he had asked the labour minister to suggest to social partners to renew the system of entitlement to unemployment insurance for the unemployed who are currently at the end of their period of entitlement during the period of lockdown
The basic reproduction number (R0) of the virus has fallen below 1, to between 0.8 and 0.9. The R0 of an infection can be thought of as the expected number of cases directly generated by one case in a population, where all individuals are susceptible to infection.
The R0 number by region in France

That said I wouldn't be surprised that the holidays were for Frenchies only as that would need be a sensible PR move for Macron et al

And OH swears blind that she read something along the lines of no etrangers but now can't find it, though I'm sure if that was the case our geezonaire WhatsApp group would be pinging like crazy?

There are many tiny resorts where it's mainly French over the holidays, it will be the big high altitude ski factories that rely on Brits, Scandis, Dutch etc that would suffer the most.
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Don’t ski over Christmas anyway, too many (French) tourists Laughing
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If I'm not mistaken the R factor did dip below 1 the other day.

I would not be surprised either if the borders are mostly closed for the holidays, even if some people will slip through, both to keep from us spreading the virus/bringing it back, same for travelers from other countries.

That said, the restaurants and bars in our Parisian neighborhood flouted the restrictions in Sept/Oct like a Trump voter at a Harley rally. No wonder the virus roared back. As far as I'm concerned they didn't earn the right to reopen.

The big resorts will indeed suffer outside of the school holidays. Conversely this could help smaller ski stations as people like us who often ski abroad will stay close to home, if we ski at all.
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And OH swears blind that she read something along the lines of no etrangers but now can't find it


The French border are open but you need a valid reason for travel - they are on the attestation. If you can tick one of the boxes you can travel (note school run from Calais to Serre Chevalier probably not acceptable Happy.

If there are travel restrictions at Christmas - talk of bringing back the 100km rule - then by definition people without a valid reason to travel to the Alps will not be able to travel.

If the ski resorts open it will only be a few lifts - if there are no hotels, restaurants etc.
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Well if the current snow drought continues can't say I'm that worried and will be a damn site less hassle & cheaper doing the family thing back in the UK rather than Serre Che.

And this time last year we'd already clocked up 4 ski tours - today being a cracker Crying or Very sad



https://stylealtitude.com/best-ski-tour-2019.html
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Weathercam, have faith, the SnowGods are just having a bit of fun.
The snow will arrive, and lots of it:
It will arrive the day before it is announced that the Lockdown and Travel Ban will be extended into mid January.
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Just as an update, Swiss police are reminding CH drivers that a number have recently been stopped and fined for not having the appropriate Attestation declaring their reason for travel, and pointing them to

https://www.gouvernement.fr/info-coronavirus

as the landing page for the appropriate forms. THe other site which I used in September was the French Embassy in the UK website, which also had English versions of the form:

https://uk.ambafrance.org/COVID-19-UK-and-French-travel-and-quarantine-measures

and details of the latest conditions for travel and quarantine etc. for both journeys from UK to/through France and returning to the UK from France.
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Confinement = High Pressure. It was the same in March and April. Makes it a bit more tolerable tbh. Soon changes, only 2 weeks ago.



Not much changed around here. Still seeing quite a few hikers about. Have seen more of the gendarmes and police municipale about but that may just be coincidental. I've been for a run/walk up the mountain this morning, 7km/1 hour and no more than 2km from mine. Several others up there.
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Getting disturbing news from our French friends in Flaine who have just recovered from covid.
They run the restaurant at the top of the cable car. She says that the whole resort is not going to open this season because the hospitals won’t have capacity to take ski injuries. If true could have a knock on effect elsewhere.....
Surely they will review?

https://www.altitude.news/business/2020/11/12/stations-ski-esperent-noel-hopitaux-montagne-implosion/
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That is disturbing news & it has some merits to the reason, it’s going to be disappointing for us skiers but devastating for businesses
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It's going to be a very limited deconfinement for Christmas.


You’re starting to sound like a French version of Stanton


Add to that that next season is going to be more expensive... Shocked Shocked
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@Weathercam, The article you have posted in French does not back up your assertion above. It simply states that there are pressures on hospitals at the current time and that this raises concerns for the start of the ski season/Christmas period.
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@snowymum, fair point, I should have checked the post, but did think the source was reliable.
That's the added complication of "fake news" reports not helping the situation, but as I think we all know we're really not going to know where some of us will be spending Xmas etc
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