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Does anyone know is there is meant to be some form of decison today on when the ski lifts will open in January ??
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They are talking about 7 Jan depending on COVID situation
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10:30 am : In a meeting with the mountain players by videoconference from Matignon with five of his ministers, Jean Castex mentioned the possibility of a resumption for the ski lifts in the week of January 7 "depending on sanitary conditions
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There was an appeal to the Conseil d'Etat by various areas, organisations, etc on various grounds. Heard and rejected today. So I think Christmas is almost certainly out of the question now. Exact date, not sure, 20th Jan to tie in with other restrictions being lifted perhaps.
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| j b wrote: |
@Claude B, thanks.
Assuming it remains the same forms (article 51 of Oct 16 is what it says) one of the curfew exemption options is transit related to long-distance journeys. We might have to arrive later (or leave earlier) due to ferry times. |
Does anyone have a link please to that article 51 though I see that there will be Updated attestations for the November 28 rules ?
Could not find it here
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Attestations-de-deplacement
And more digging on the Connexion Site today
https://www.connexionfrance.com/Practical/Your-Questions/Can-I-go-to-the-airport-in-France-during-curfew-hours
In October, when France first introduced curfew measures, the corresponding exemption form had the option: "Déplacements liés à des transits pour des déplacements de longues distances". You should tick this if the forms remain the same.
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Oh well moved my tunnel time on the 29th a little earlier, now arrive Calais 09:00 so more than enough time, unless the Lautaret is closed 
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Isère news reporting local resorts Christmas/New Year bookings down by 70%. Hardly surprising.
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...and numbers just rising (again)...with 750k expected to travel on train over the weekend.
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@Claude B,my friend who owns The Sherpa said tonight that he's closing the hotel for xmas and new year due to so few bookings.
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@Alpinebear,  more Dutch and Belgian guests normally I guess. Isn't he chair of the tourist board too?
I drove back from Vizille this afternoon and quite a few non locals heading up. A bit more life in town. More tomorrow.
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Discussion in France of going back into Lockdown during January. The date of 7th of January is circulating with a lockdown up to the start of the school holidays.
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CONFINEMENT. Alors que la France entame les vacances de Noël, les chiffres de l'épidémie repartent à la hausse laissant craindre une situation incontrôlable.
[Mis à jour le 21 décembre 2020 à 13h01] Une exception en Europe, ou presque. Alors que plusieurs pays décident de reconfiner une partie ou l'intégralité de son territoire, la France n'a pas prise cette décision et va vivre des fêtes de fin d'année assez "normales" avec notamment un 24 décembre qui se déroulera sans couvre-feu. Mais depuis quelques jours et après une phase de plateau, Santé publique France alerte sur la situation "préoccupante" que traverse le pays avec un nombre de cas qui explose, laissant craindre un 3e confinement dès janvier. Pourquoi est-ce possible ? Tout d'abord lorsqu'on regarde le dernier bilan daté du 20 décembre, les chiffres dans les hôpitaux repartent à la hausse avec un solde positif de 27 patients en réanimation et de 142 au total à l'hôpital. Les fêtes, malgré toutes les précautions, risquent de provoquer une circulation accrue du virus avec de nombreuses personnes qui se retrouvent dans les magasins et dans la sphère familiale, surtout si la mutation du coronavirus, présente au Royaume-Uni, se propage en France et se montre plus contagieuse. Mais pour le président du conseil scientifique, Jean-François Delfraissy, présent sur l'antenne de BFM TV il y a quelques jours "notre avenir et celui d'une troisième vague qui pourrait survenir en janvier, c'est nous qui le construirons ou pas dans les jours qui viennent".
L'arrivée des vaccins donne un espoir considérable de tourner la page du virus et d'éviter ce nouveau confinement. Mais un espoir limité par le temps. Les 27 pays de l'UE devraient "commencer le même jour" leurs campagnes de vaccination anti-Covid après l'approbation du vaccin développé par Pfizer-BioNTech, a déclaré la présidente de la Commission européenne Ursula von der Leyen le 16 décembre. Sous la pression de Berlin, l'Agence européenne des médicaments a annoncé dans le même temps qu'elle se pencherait dès le 21 décembre sur le sort du vaccin de la firme américaine, soit une semaine plus tôt que prévu. En France, la campagne de vaccination débutera donc "dès la dernière semaine de décembre", "si les conditions sont réunies", c'est-à-dire après l'avis des autorités sanitaires européennes, et françaises, a enchaîné le Premier ministre Jean Castex. Mais le processus de vaccination sera long. Les populations non prioritaires attendront au minimum jusqu'à "la fin du printemps". Par conséquent, le vaccin ne permettra pas de juguler une éventuelle 3e vague et donc un 3e confinement.
Invité ce 21 décembre sur RTL, Gabriel Attal a appelé les Français à "ne pas se mettre dans l'optique" d'un troisième confinement". "Si nous faisons attention", "nous pouvons (l')éviter", a-t-il ajouté. "Les efforts des Français payent." "On est aujourd'hui sur un plateau haut" mais "nous pouvons continuer à avancer avec les règles qui ont été fixées au 15 décembre", un couvre-feu. "Nous pouvons avancer avec cette stratégie explique-t'il.
Y aura-t-il un 3e confinement en France en janvier 2021 ?
La crainte d'une troisième vague épidémique est clairement redoutée par les autorités sanitaires et par de nombreux virologues. Les brassages de population générées par les fêtes de fin d'année vont mécaniquement créer des conditions propices à la propagation du Covid-19 en France. Les autorités publiques ont déjà fait savoir qu'elles s'attendaient à un rebond pour le début de l'année 2021, en espérant qu'il puisse être contenu. Même avec la mise en place d'une campagne de vaccination, il est très probable que les indicateurs épidémiques enregistrent des hausses significatives. "Ce rebond pourrait-il survenir à la mi-janvier ou plus tard ? La réponse est oui, le modèle n'a pas changé, le virus va continuer de circuler au fil de l'hiver", anticipe Jean-François Delfraissy.
Le scénario d'une troisième vague si importante qu'elle nécessite de nouvelles mesures de confinement n'est pas totalement exclu. L'exécutif s'est fixé comme objectif de tout faire pour l'éviter, mais tout dépendra de la situation sanitaire en début d'année 2021. "Ne préjugeons pas de ce qui va se passer, mais préparons la rentrée. Il faut regarder de près l'évolution de l'épidémie pour que les autorités puissent prendre, si elles sont nécessaires, des décisions rapides. Avec le Covid, plus les mesures sont prises vite et sont fortes, plus elles sont efficaces. Tirons les leçons du mois de septembre", martèle le président du Conseil scientifique dans les colonnes du Parisien. Preuve que le gouvernement n'écarte aucune piste, le ministre de l'Economie et le Premier ministre ont fait savoir qu'ils ne pouvaient garantir que les bars et restaurants pourraient bien rouvrir le 20 janvier.
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CONFINEMENT. As France begins the Christmas holidays, the figures for the epidemic are on the rise again, raising fears of an uncontrollable situation.
[Updated December 21, 2020 at 1:01 pm] An exception in Europe, or almost. While several countries decide to reconfigure part or all of its territory, France has not taken this decision and will experience fairly "normal" end-of-year celebrations with in particular a December 24 which will take place without covers-fire. But for a few days and after a plateau phase, Public Health France has alerted to the "worrying" situation that the country is going through with an exploding number of cases, raising fears of a third confinement in January. Why is this possible? First of all, when we look at the last report dated December 20, the figures in hospitals are on the rise again with a positive balance of 27 patients in intensive care and 142 in total in the hospital. The holidays, despite all precautions, risk causing an increased circulation of the virus with many people finding themselves in shops and in the family sphere, especially if the mutation of the coronavirus, present in the United Kingdom, spreads to France and is more contagious. But for the president of the scientific council, Jean-François Delfraissy, present on the antenna of BFM TV a few days ago "our future and that of a third wave which could occur in January, it is we who will build it or not in the days to come ".
The arrival of vaccines gives considerable hope to turn the page on the virus and avoid this new confinement. But a hope limited by time. The 27 EU countries are expected to "start the same day" their anti-Covid vaccination campaigns after the approval of the vaccine developed by Pfizer-BioNTech, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on December 16. Under pressure from Berlin, the European Medicines Agency announced at the same time that it would look into the fate of the American firm's vaccine from December 21, a week earlier than expected. In France, the vaccination campaign will therefore begin "from the last week of December", "if the conditions are met", that is to say after the opinion of the European health authorities, and French, continued the Prime Minister Jean Castex. But the vaccination process will be long. Non-priority populations will wait at least until "late spring". Consequently, the vaccine will not make it possible to stem a possible 3rd wave and therefore a 3rd confinement.
Invited this December 21 on RTL, Gabriel Attal called on the French "not to put themselves in the perspective of" a third confinement "." If we are careful "," we can (it) avoid ", a- He added. "The efforts of the French are paying off." "Today we are on a high plateau" but "we can continue to move forward with the rules that were set for December 15," a curfew. "We we can move forward with this strategy, he explains.
Will there be a third confinement in France in January 2021?
The fear of a third epidemic wave is clearly feared by health authorities and by many virologists. The mixing of populations generated by the end of the year celebrations will automatically create conditions conducive to the spread of Covid-19 in France. Public authorities have already indicated that they expect a rebound at the start of 2021, hoping that it can be contained. Even with the establishment of a vaccination campaign, it is very likely that epidemic indicators will register significant increases. "Could this rebound occur in mid-January or later? The answer is yes, the model has not changed, the virus will continue to circulate over the winter," anticipates Jean-François Delfraissy.
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You know it makes sense.
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But that's not possible, ski resorts open then 
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| Claude B wrote: |
| But that's not possible, ski resorts open then |
Well it is just talk and rumours for the moment. Gabby Attal (govt. spokeman) naturally said there are currently no such plans at lunch today when he was questioned by a journalist on the matter. But he would say that, wouldn't he?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Government is meeting by visioconference Tuesday evening to discuss whether to call a new lockdown and also what form it would take. We should hear a bit more on Wednesday. The health minister says the hospital situation is "really not good" with the French Alps and Paris continuing to be the worst hit areas. The lockdown may not be as severe as the previous two, suggestions are three weeks from early January or 31st December, no travel permitted. This is the current medical advice but the politicians may not be too keen on a third lockdown.
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The couvre-feu will be extended in some areas of the east of France including the Rhone-Alpes from the 2nd Jan. It will start at 18h. Details of the areas affected to follow.
There will be a review of figures next week to discuss a new lockdown. No national lockdown planned at present.
It seems very unlikely the ski lifts will open on the 7th Jan.
It is unlikely they will open, or open fully, on the 20th Jan given the current situation.
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@davidof, I thought the curfew already covered Rhone-Alpes, though from 20h currently.
Are lift opening predictions official or yours?
It seems to me France is doing quite well in suppressing the surges in cases seen elsewhere, though I can see that they worry adding extra risk may not be worthwhile.
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| j b wrote: |
@davidof, I thought the curfew already covered Rhone-Alpes, though from 20h currently.
Are lift opening predictions official or yours?
It seems to me France is doing quite well in suppressing the surges in cases seen elsewhere, though I can see that they worry adding extra risk may not be worthwhile. |
yes it will move from 20h to 18h in the East of France but not everywhere. Olivier Veran (Health Minister) said he doubted anything at all will reopen on the 7th and it didn't seem likely for the 20th but it all depends on the way the figures move - 3rd wave or not.
Anyway better than an immediate lockdown which is what some doctors and politicians have called for.
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Looks like only 05 may be affected at the moment.........
Depending on figures on Jan 1st
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I realise, as @j b, suggests that itnseems as though some areas may be doing better but is it just me that feels that while “ cases” are on the up deaths and ICU bed occupation is not so much?
And just exactly why 2 hours earlier in bed will matter?
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What would matter and help (me at least) would be better primary data availability...
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I realise, as @j b,
And just exactly why 2 hours earlier in bed will matter? |
Minimises the effect of people popping round to friends/family for supper I guess......
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@KenX, don’t you just not have earlier long lunches?
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Looking at easter. Let's assume skiing in february will not happen - which is very likely. And let us further assume that numbers will go down significantly shortly afterwards which is likely as well. Due to spring, vaccination kicking in, growing normal herd immunity, etc.
Do you think they will bother and open the lifts in mid march essentially for just four to six weeks of skiing? Would that even be financially sound?
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@under a new name: KenX is exactly right. And no, you can't shift french dinners to lunchtime as people are working. With that comes social control as well. Furthermore you can't really relax, drink as much, etc., if you still got a job to get done.
I must admit that is no bad idea, if the goal is to bring numbers down no matter what.
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My son was a bit fed up to be skinning up the pistes of the local ski area to see lifts full of skiers above him (ski clubs and ski instructors with their clients).
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You know it makes sense.
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| Tristero wrote: |
| @under a new name: KenX is exactly right. And no, you can't shift french dinners to lunchtime as people are working. |
But couldn't they make use of their daily 2 to 3 hour lunch break? 
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| davidof wrote: |
| My son was a bit fed up to be skinning up the pistes of the local ski area to see lifts full of skiers above him (ski clubs and ski instructors with their clients). |
That's a good hint! But what exactly is open? I thought this ski-club-rule only concerns the télésiège du stade? Can you ride up the Jandri Express to the top in L2A?  Or go up the Pic Blanc in Alpe d'Huez?
And then again, does that mean that if you can afford a personal instructor, you actually can go skiing in France?
Thanks for clarification!
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| under a new name wrote: |
| What would matter and help (me at least) would be better primary data availability... |
This is an informative site for following the data https://covidtracker.fr/
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@Tristero, In ADH only signal lift and the petit prince drag lift is open for the ski clubs.
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At L2A at first only the Jandri and glacier t bars were open. After it had snowed more before Christmas the Diable and Crête were also open. So as you were skinning up for one run down there were lifts full above you There may even be others open further up, not sure though.
I've been away since before Christmas but I understand it is very busy this week.
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@Tristero, I don’t think 20:00 to 18:00 really makes any difference to dinners. Aperos maybe.
We’ve all (extended fam & friends) have been doing lunches. Many of whom are on chomage technical and that won’t change next week...
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@homphomp, thanks, that's interesting and does drill rather more into the detail.
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At least the French are allowing lunches, I’m sure Sturgeon is trying to turn Scotland into a nation of park bench alcoholics. Nothing open & only allowed to meet people outside in public places.
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| Jonny996 wrote: |
| At least the French are allowing lunches, I’m sure Sturgeon is trying to turn Scotland into a nation of park bench alcoholics. Nothing open & only allowed to meet people outside in public places. |
Pass the Buckie! Hic 
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I spotted a brief item on UK news feeds today to the effect that France was extending the 6 pm curfew to more departments, particularly in the east of the country (Alps). Do any of our French residents have the full story: where is now affected?
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Thanks @chocksaway. While it doesn't include the Haute-Savoie (and for you, Savoie) it does underline UK visitors' need for a negative Covid test, which is more difficult to arrange to order here than in France.
Mind you, we don't know whether the Jan 7th resort opening will happen anyway, the chance doesn't seem to be much better than evens.
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