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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Terrible news, quite shocking, and..who would do this and why?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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 That's terrible news!
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Good grief!
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Shocking. What is going on in the world?
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How awful! Makes you wonder what's she been up to since her retirement 
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Its a mad/bad world 
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dreadful and shocking news - you wouldn't think retired ski racers would be this sort of victim would you? 
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Totally shocking - this sort of thing just doesn't happen in Switzerland! Sounds like a contract - but why?
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Some sort of businness dispute? Awful way to resolve it, if so.
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Shocking. It does sound un-Swiss.
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Unbelivable news, this happened in Les Croset in the PDS and from memory there are only a few houses there, if you have skied the PDS her family house is near the lift that reurns you to the top of the Mossettes Express lift to come back to France, I left Ardent yesterday and its a big shock. I am in Switzerland now lots of people are of course extremely shocked
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Her mother has now sadly died too
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You know it makes sense.
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Since she was at her parents' house, not her own, maybe she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Martin Bell, indeed, or even the murder of Jill Dando
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hints that it may have been a domestic in this Times report.
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Similar report on the BBC, police are looking for her recently ex-husband.
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| Ian Hopkinson wrote: |
| police are looking for her recently ex-husband. |
recently as in 21h30 on Sunday night?
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laundryman,
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Shocking. It does sound un-Swiss
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But very easy in Switzerland considering every household posseses a gun .
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stanton,
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But very easy in Switzerland considering every household posseses a gun
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I'm sure I have read that there are several guns (including machine guns) for each Swiss resident,
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Absolutely. Every male adult has his army gun in the wardrobe at home. But on the few occasions someone has run amok (Zug parliament in 2001, ZKB a couple of years ago), they will never use their army guns for it, they go out and get another. Go figure
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When reading about this appalling shooting my mind flashed back to the fatal shooting of the American ski racer 'Spider' Sabich, 30 years ago.
Vladimir 'Spider' Sabich was a really big name in ski racing in the late 60s and 70s, having skied for the US in the 1968 Winter Olympics. After plenty of success on the World Cup circuit he went professional. He was shot by his French girlfriend Claudine Longet in March 1976, and she later claimed that the gun went off by accident (her evidence was largely accepted and she only received a short sentence). I don't think the emergence of 'Spyder' as a leading US skiwear brand was coincidental.
There's a surprising amount of information about Spider Sabich on the net.
Legal gun ownership tends to end in these terrible sacrifices of life - the argument for it is based on the right of defence, but so many innocent unarmed people die.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| Legal gun ownership tends to end in these terrible sacrifices of life - the argument for it is based on the right of defence, but so many innocent unarmed people die. |
I thought Switzerland had a very low murder rate...
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| DavidS wrote: |
| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| Legal gun ownership tends to end in these terrible sacrifices of life - the argument for it is based on the right of defence, but so many innocent unarmed people die. |
I thought Switzerland had a very low murder rate... |
Yes. Not only that but here it's not so much widespread gun ownership as widespread gun caretakership, which is a different mentality.
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eng_ch, isn't every man in Switzerland given a gun, so that if necessary he can form part of a militia to defend the country?
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You know it makes sense.
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Wear The Fox Hat, no "if necessary" about it. Unless you opt for Zivildienst (which is relatively rare), every male age 18-42 does at least 100 hour a year of military service, which increases to 300 hours per annum for officers. If you do neither, you get 2% added onto your income tax for life. The army is so closely bound with civilian life that it's (allegedly) practically impossible to reach board level in a medium-sized company or larger unless you are an officer in the army, usually no less than colonel. And to be an officer and get in those 300 hours a year, you either need to be from a rich family or have a sympathetic employer who will continue to pay your salary for that time (I believe employers have to continue to pay salary for the 100 hours).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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eng_ch, regrettably your right, my (terrible) mistake although I passed on info from a radio news report that then later changed from dead to seriously ill, very unlike that to happen in Switzerland as is the event itself. I gather from the news tonight that Corinnes husband is still no where to be found.
Wear The Fox Hat, Its my first real visit to Switzerland other than to ski resorts and tonight I can here fully automatic gun fire from a range down the road, my Swiss friends say this is quite normal, Military Service usually finds its way into most conversations since I^ve beed here so as ENG says, its a big part of life. Incidentally I saw and entered my first nuclear fallout bunker this week, another first
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Its a bit of a shock when a soldier gets on the train and puts his machine gun on the luggage rack.
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Frosty, not only is it regular, it's compulsory. They have to pass a shooting test each year and there are usually about 4 sessions. If you fail you can retake providing there are still sessions left in the year. If you fail again or you don't bother until the last one, you have to go on a refresher course. Or sth like that.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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riverman, it's even more of a shock when about 50 of them do the same (and start field stripping the weapons for cleaning).
David Goldsmith, for once you appear to be spouting the typical anti gun propoganda as spouted by the UK press, in fact according to the UK governments own figures armed crime has actually increased since handguns etc. were banned, most countries that have a high percentage of legal gun owners in its population actually have much smaller armed crime figures than in countries where only the authorities and the criminals have firearms, the exception is the USA but this is believed to be due to the different laws in different states.
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D G Orf, and at demob time at the station they look like they've walked straight out of Starship Troopers 
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David Goldsmith, I have never heard such utter nonsense in all my days!
Lots ofSwiss army around Verbier this last weekend, they were running the infrastructure for the Patroule De Glaciers.
My maincomment would be: GET YOUR 'AIRCUT YOU 'ORRIBLE LITTLE MAN!
What a bunch of scrufs!
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As if it could be worse - there's a Reuters report here which says that she was 3 months pregnant, and her brother was due to be married on Friday.
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Pretty disasterous for the family really
Sadly these sort of murders are often the result of a falling out within a family, although in this case a handgun appears to have been used, these people will use any weapon they have access to, cars, knives and blunt instruments are used just as often as guns if not more so, often the murderer will realise later just what they have done and overcome by guilt will take their own life.
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So it's OK for a gun to be in a house? Or in the free possession of a citizen?
Personally I think it's madness. I can't imagine having a loaded gun in my house, and it doesn't appear at all clear that these murders would have occurred if there hadn't been a gun in the equation.
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David Goldsmith, in the UK Semi Automatic rifles were prohibited after one nutcase went mad with one, but the fact that said nutter happened to have weapons that were not on his certificate (which he also used) was not widely publicised because that would have put the lie to police and political statements that banning semi automatic rifles would have prevented the outrage.
Years later another nutcase used a handgun to kill innocent children so handguns were banned, but this person had been investigated no less than 3 times previously after multiple reports from the public that he was carrying weapons in public and acting in a threatening manner (any one of these should have been enough reason to revoke his certificate), in each case the reports from the junior police officers concerned stated that his firearms certificate should have been revoked because of these actions, in each case one particular senior police officer allowed him to retain his certificate, it turned out that this particular senior officer knew the man in question as a friend, he should have been sacked at least but was allowed to resign instead. In the end the government ignored their own report that stated that banning legaly held handguns would have no noticeable effect on armed crime figures and banned them anyway because that showed they were doing something.
In the end guns are mearly a tool, they allow their user to hit a target at range, but most of these "family" attacks are carried out at point blank range and can just as easily be carried out with other weapons, by the way no sensible person would keep a loaded gun in the house, in fact in the UK weapons and ammunition have to be kept in separate locked steel cabinets, otherwise you won't be allowed to keep them.
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