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Is This Season Going To Happen for The British ???

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@nba2005uk, depends how much people want to bend the rules for their own gain. For us very unlikely and increasingly so, for others maybe, it’s not a one size fits all.
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skimastaaah wrote:
Hang on, hang on .................. is this season going to happen depends on privatising parts of the NHS?

Please get back on thread people, the EIHC is still in place currently, and has little significance in terms of travelling, self-isolating, and negative Covid tests.

Can UK skiers/Boarders get away this coming ski season? Currently my go to ski destination, the Arlberg, has limited opening for local skiers only. Hopefully at some point this season I'm going to be okay to ski there. Not 100% certain! Sad


No. In short.
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luigi wrote:
skimastaaah wrote:
Hang on, hang on .................. is this season going to happen depends on privatising parts of the NHS?

Please get back on thread people, the EIHC is still in place currently, and has little significance in terms of travelling, self-isolating, and negative Covid tests.

Can UK skiers/Boarders get away this coming ski season? Currently my go to ski destination, the Arlberg, has limited opening for local skiers only. Hopefully at some point this season I'm going to be okay to ski there. Not 100% certain! Sad


A certificate of vaccination might be a game changer, but will it come in time for this season?


Why? I have seen nothing to suggest that vaccination prevents you being contagious?
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Dravot wrote:

No. In short.


Given the current state of play in UK and Europe ................ I'm tending to agree. Skullie
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@skimastaaah, no Strolz sale for your wife either, double whammy! wink
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@skimastaaah, no Strolz sale for your wife either, double whammy! wink


I'll save a fortune Toofy Grin
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Season happen - nope

Some limited skiing late March and April - yes

Vaccines rolling out, coming out the natural flu season - it'll happen - have faith

Well I hope so as I've booked Laughing
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I've now given up on the season.. After hearing tonight's news.. So Decided to start booking my non skiing holidays for the rest of the year now.. Managed to ski for an hour on my new skis at the chill factor in December.. Shortest skiing holiday I've ever had . ...
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@colinstone, yes and the way it's all panning out, how ironic would it be if we were found to be infected with no signs of symptoms, the words "icing" and "cake" spring to mind Laughing

So are you going to be the SnowHead Guinea Pig on the 26th ??? Laughing


Might have been. I did get out 26 Dec and into CH 29 Dec. Have you made it yet??
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NickyJ wrote:
luigi wrote:
skimastaaah wrote:
Hang on, hang on .................. is this season going to happen depends on privatising parts of the NHS?

Please get back on thread people, the EIHC is still in place currently, and has little significance in terms of travelling, self-isolating, and negative Covid tests.

Can UK skiers/Boarders get away this coming ski season? Currently my go to ski destination, the Arlberg, has limited opening for local skiers only. Hopefully at some point this season I'm going to be okay to ski there. Not 100% certain! Sad


A certificate of vaccination might be a game changer, but will it come in time for this season?


Why? I have seen nothing to suggest that vaccination prevents you being contagious?


My understanding is most scientists would ‘guess’ it’s extremely likely the vaccine has at least some impact on reducing transmission - if you beat the virus faster then it reproduces less inside your body and there is less opportunity for transmission.

However, doing trials to prove this is hard and time consuming. The effect could be relatively small or it could be enormous. A certificate of vaccine probably won’t bring back travel until there is evidence one way or the other.

So - plenty of room for optimism, but it will take a while.
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Italy delay their openings:

Italy is delaying opening its ski resorts until 18 January, after regional authorities asked for more time to meet coronavirus rules.

An order signed on Saturday by health minister Roberto Speranza delays the reopening of its ski lifts and facilities. Authorities in the north and centre of the country had told the government its planned 7 January target date wasn’t realistic.

In a joint letter, they said: “At the present time, due to the recent epidemiological trend at international level that has not facilitated the taking of the necessary decisions, it is believed that the conditions do not exist to allow initiatives and actions to allow the opening of the facilities on 7 January”

The Italian government’s scientific technical committee had said that crowds inside gondolas, in lift lines and during après-ski created a “medium-high” risk.
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@red 27, interesting. Italy and France seemed to be talking to each other, so there may well be similar news from them soon. 18th isn't as bad as some people feared, but of course it could be postponed again.
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Jan 1st Brits are 3rd Country Status so have to stand in line

British EU (red) passports no longer work (are refused) at the Scanners .. All Brits have to be manually questioned & checked...


Thanks to our Dutch Border Control we prevented and barred few UK Nationals (Covidiots) entering Schengen

They all did have PCR negative Tests

however as Covidiots They attempted to enter disregarding the the NO 1 Rule ...

ESSENTIAL TRAVEL ONLY !!!

"We hebben Britten die alleen een bezoekje aan Amsterdam willen brengen of een man die via Schiphol naar Spanje wilde vliegen om zijn kinderen daar te leren skiën. Dat is nu gewoon niet de bedoeling", zegt Van Kapel.

****We have Brits who only want to visit Amsterdam and a man who wanted to fly to Spain via Schiphol to teach his children how to ski there. That's just not the intention now," says Van Kapel.*******

https://nos.nl/artikel/2362912-tien-britten-toegang-tot-nederland-geweigerd-gewoon-bezoekje-mag-niet.html


Unfortunately for these people being barred will make it difficult for them to re-enter Schengen in the future.


Just remember folks

Wintesports/Summer Holidays are NOT ESSENTIAL. Refusal of Entry is what you arrive at the Schengen zone (anywhere) during the current health crisis..



STAY AT HOME
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>Jan 1st Brits are 3rd Country Status so have to stand in line...

As of 1/1/21 UK citizens no longer have the EU right of Freedom of Movement. And UK is not on the EU Safe Countries list.
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@stanton, @colinstone, We Brits are very good at standing in line, unlike some of the rude EU folk Very Happy Very Happy
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I am supposed to be packing now for a trip to Verbier but, even though I am living in Brussels and could go, it's just not worth the risk. The mountains will still be there next year...
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The mountains will still be there next year
But, the way things are going, hopes are fading by the minute of any UK visitors being in them any time in 2021 rolling eyes

Getting on for a year down the line...and in a worse position (covid-wise) than the March 2020 lockdown.

Truly devastating for all Crying or Very sad
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@stanton, the most non ESSENTIAL thing around here, is you.
Sorry to be impolite, but you are really a complete idiot. I would welcome it if you just stayed in your hole in Switzerland or wherever it it is you do your important work and just stay clear of this place.
Ok?
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[/quote]

My understanding is most scientists would ‘guess’ it’s extremely likely the vaccine has at least some impact on reducing transmission - if you beat the virus faster then it reproduces less inside your body and there is less opportunity for transmission.

However, doing trials to prove this is hard and time consuming. The effect could be relatively small or it could be enormous. A certificate of vaccine probably won’t bring back travel until there is evidence one way or the other.

So - plenty of room for optimism, but it will take a while.[/quote]


If you have been vaccinated and as such are immune, the virus can't live "in" you - you can't spread it, i.e. by coughing droplets.

However, you can spread it "on" you. For example, if you touch, say a door handle, with droplets on it, you can transfer it to another place/person.
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I think once vaccination rates pick up Airlines will start putting MASSIVE pressure on governments to allow vaccinated passengers fly and meet entry requirements without need for tests, quarantines, or locator forms. And pretty sure they will prevail. I don't see that saving this ski season but probably will be well in place by Summer
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Having read stanton's comments, when all the covid stuff is finally over I won't be visiting Holland for the flowers or the museums in future.
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Hurdy wrote:
I am supposed to be packing now for a trip to Verbier but, even though I am living in Brussels and could go, it's just not worth the risk. The mountains will still be there next year...


Health risk or risk of getting stuck somehow?
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NickYoung wrote:

...
If you have been vaccinated and as such are immune, the virus can't live "in" you - you can't spread it, i.e. by coughing droplets.
...


You are wrong on that one. You can still "get" the virus and fight it off and not end up in hospital. This is not expected to be a sterilising vaccine. So it could still circulate just as freely, but not have thousands of deaths.
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stanton wrote:
Jan 1st Brits are 3rd Country Status so have to stand in line

however as Covidiots They attempted to enter disregarding the the NO 1 Rule ...

ESSENTIAL TRAVEL ONLY !!!

STAY AT HOME


Hey Stanton you’ve seen world war Z right ??
We coming to get you....
In fact there are some of us among you now
Ha ha ha ha aaaaaaaagh Big Wink
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I think once vaccination rates pick up Airlines will start putting MASSIVE pressure on governments to allow vaccinated passengers fly and meet entry requirements without need for tests, quarantines, or locator forms. And pretty sure they will prevail. I don't see that saving this ski season but probably will be well in place by Summer


I agree with you
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VolklAttivaS5 wrote:
I don't see that saving this ski season


neither do I. The vaccination roll-out will stumble the same way as Brexit-oven-ready-deal, world-beating-Track-and-Trace. BoJo spouting about most vulnerable being vaccinated by mid-February, that's 14 million in 6/7 weeks, equal to 2 million per week from today. Looks like both the ski season and vaccination schedule will be lost this year. The former is a pity, the latter is disgraceful.
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Some realism here - even if the government hits their target of delivering the first dose of vaccine to 14 million people by mid Feb - those people will be all either over 70 years old, health/care workers or care home residents. And they will only have had one dose. The next dose will be 12 weeks later. And that means that only 14 weeks after that they will be fully immunised.

The vaccine is too late to save this years ski season.
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@Android2000, I think you are right. Best case scenario is mid Feb but we consistently over promise and under deliver, not only that Alpine nations need to have vaccinated to a suitable level too which is highly unlikely.
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skimastaaah wrote:
VolklAttivaS5 wrote:
I don't see that saving this ski season


neither do I. The vaccination roll-out will stumble the same way as Brexit-oven-ready-deal, world-beating-Track-and-Trace. BoJo spouting about most vulnerable being vaccinated by mid-February, that's 14 million in 6/7 weeks, equal to 2 million per week from today. Looks like both the ski season and vaccination schedule will be lost this year. The former is a pity, the latter is disgraceful.

We can only vaccinate people when there are supplies to use, we have done more than the rest of Europe put together, I dont think the "most" vulnerable amounts to 14 million that's over one in 5 people in the country
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Although I have booked onto the off piste bash, I am highly suspicious that it won't happen Crying or Very sad

With regards to the vaccine, the EU has set it's target for complete vaccination as the end of 2021...

Put bluntly I suspect this is still optimistic and they won't be dealing with border and treaty issues while trying to do it (remember, the vaccines aren't being manufactured in the UK even if some were developed in Oxford)

I also suspect even if things improve drastically a lot of ski areas may have limits as they rely on importing seasonal workers which won't be viable for the few weeks they can open after this wave has finished...
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Put bluntly I suspect this is still optimistic and they won't be dealing with border and treaty issues while trying to do it (remember, the vaccines aren't being manufactured in the UK even if some were developed in Oxford)

...


"The Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine is mainly being produced in the UK, though other sites across Europe are being used to manufacture the first doses of the jab. Ian McCubbin, manufacturing lead for the UK's Vaccine Taskforce, said the first batches would be made in Europe. He said: "The initial supply - and it's a little bit of a quirk of the programme - actually comes from the Netherlands and Germany." But he confirmed that, once that is supplied, the supply chain will be completely UK-based."
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@robs1, ...
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Boris Johnson has outlined the NHS's "realistic expectations" for the vaccination programme in the coming weeks as England and Scotland head into new national lockdowns.

In his TV address on Monday evening, the prime minister said the new rollout of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab in the UK means "the pace of vaccination is accelerating".

More than a million people have already been given a dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine since last month.

Mr Johnson said that by the middle of February he wants everyone in the "top four priority groups" to have been offered a first dose of one of the vaccines - around 13 million people.

Source .....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pms-vaccine-target-offer-jabs-to-everyone-in-top-four-priority-groups-by-mid-february-12179452
My bad ........... out by 1 million.
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skimastaaah wrote:
@robs1, ...
Quote:
Boris Johnson has outlined the NHS's "realistic expectations" for the vaccination programme in the coming weeks as England and Scotland head into new national lockdowns.

In his TV address on Monday evening, the prime minister said the new rollout of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab in the UK means "the pace of vaccination is accelerating".

More than a million people have already been given a dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine since last month.

Mr Johnson said that by the middle of February he wants everyone in the "top four priority groups" to have been offered a first dose of one of the vaccines - around 13 million people.

Source .....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pms-vaccine-target-offer-jabs-to-everyone-in-top-four-priority-groups-by-mid-february-12179452
My bad ........... out by 1 million.


Bit different to say the top four priority groups than
" most vulnerable" . It's still a lot of people to do but everyone done reduces the risk to all the rest of us.
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@robs1, They are the most vulnerable groups identified by UK Gov. More interestingly ....... "More than a million people in the UK have now been given a vaccine against COVID-19.

The official total, which is updated weekly and so won't include those added since Sunday 27 December, of the exact number vaccinated is 944,539.

This is up from 641,116 by 20 December - an increase of 303,423 in a week."

300,000 per week is going to take till a lot later than the middle of February to vaccinate 13 million. The rest of the UK population may just get done by September.

Point being that I doubt the "top 4 groups" comprise of a vast number of skiers, even if vaccination certificate would help, I also doubt they will be skiing this season and possibly next season. Skullie
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Apart from accessing scanners, there is no material difference to the process.

When you get off the plane and are at the back of a queue of 300 people, in the "non EU" line, don't even mention it.

If we were still in the EU, those same 300 people would still be in front of you!
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Just rescheduled our March 21 trip to Austria to March 22 with the hotel. They gave the impression that the hotel was considering not opening at all this winter season. They do tend to get a high volume of British guests there so I suspect I wasn't the first to contact them to move my booking.
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I’d already accepted this ski season was a no go ages ago and thought that I’d at least save thousands so I’d planned for hoping my mountaineering holiday in September goes ahead. Should do on the balance of probabilities. If a bit of ski touring in late April comes to fruition well, that’s a bonus. If not that’s another £1000 say saved for other things. Things could be worse.
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NickYoung wrote:
stanton wrote:
Jan 1st Brits are 3rd Country Status so have to stand in line



Apart from accessing scanners, there is no material difference to the process.

When you get off the plane and are at the back of a queue of 300 people, in the "non EU" line, don't even mention it.

If we were still in the EU, those same 300 people would still be in front of you!


There certainly is a material difference.

The non EU/EEA queue takes longer because a certain percentage of the people (and sometimes all of them) in that queue are asked to evidence return travel tickets, hotel bookings, sometimes money in bank account and so on. And the passports are stamped. This might take (say) 45- 60seconds per person longer than the EU queue, where these things are not necessary.

So it all adds up to longer queues than the EU lane, often much longer. Some airports ALWAYS ask for these things - my OH who travels on a Russian passport, is always asked to evidence hotel and return flight at Munich, for example.
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The vast majority of UK passport holders will be waved through.

Portugal have already said there will be a UK lane at airports. It's not in the interests of holiday destinations to make the process any harder than it needs to be.

Are you actually surprised that a Russian National is regularly stopped at the border??

I would prefer to still be in the EU, but this is exactly the Project Fear nonsense that lost the Referendum in the first place.

Same with free movement. How many UK Nationals actually travel to the EU for more than 90 days? How many want to buy a 2nd property in the EU?

Many of us, yes, including me (pipe dream). But a sizeable enough proportion of the population to build National policies around??
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@NickYoung,

Exactly, and we are where we are, last year geneva said they were going to add UK to the eu/eea lines, not sure if they have or not yet. I assume we will do a similar thing, anyone who has been to the states knows what long queues are, and they take it very seriously
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