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Is This Season Going To Happen for The British ???

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I'm hopeful that there'll be skiing later in the season for locals at least, for the sake of resort businesses, but in France at least I can't see it happening for visitors from the UK.

Easter might be relatively okay in the UK, but it might be a big ask for vaccination in Europe to be sufficient for countries to be keen to welcome hordes of visitors by then (if the UK vaccinates vulnerable groups quickly, we might reduce restrictions and have pretty high case numbers by Easter).

Would be nice to be wrong and for things to open up in April - although our trip this year was January, so is already canned.
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@halfhand, likewise booked for Easter, crossing, overnight stops and apartment all refundable

Self catering and don’t care about bars etc
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Markymark29 wrote:
situation is worsening all over Europe, we are just about the only country relaxing things for the festive period vs Holland, Italy, Germany etc who are tightening via lockdowns, it can only end in trouble for January/ February.

You missed Austria, where you can have a relatively big Xmas party (afaik, up to 10 adults from different households, plus their kids) for 3 days. I’m sure it will end well...
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I'm even wondering now if my mid April end of season Holiday in Tignes with the Ski Club of GB may be off. I was thinking I'd be vaccinated by then, but if France will still be closed that won't help (or perhaps they'll make an exception for the jabbed).
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PaulO78 wrote:
if the UK vaccinates vulnerable groups quickly, we might reduce restrictions and have pretty high case numbers by Easter


This is a really big point that many people haven't really realised yet. The Government's main concern is hospital capacity. If there are spare hospital beds, then they will keep pubs open, even if we're finding 100,000 cases per day instead of 20,000.

Of course the same is also true in the destination countries, so if they have spare hospital beds they may be willing to accept tourists from countries with far more than the 50 cases per 100,000 rate that our Government were using in the summer.
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@thelem, Agreed. Hopefully we will start using fatality rates and bed capacity as metrics rather than blunt 'case' numbers.
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thelem wrote:
Of course the same is also true in the destination countries, so if they have spare hospital beds they may be willing to accept tourists from countries with far more than the 50 cases per 100,000 rate that our Government were using in the summer.


I thought the rate used by the UK Government in the summer to decide which countries had acceptable levels of infection to travel between the country concerned and the UK was actually 20 cases per100,000? https://www.cebm.net/2020/09/should-covid-19-travel-quarantine-policy-be-based-on-apparent-new-case-rates/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=should-covid-19-travel-quarantine-policy-be-based-on-apparent-new-case-rates
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Of course the same is also true in the destination countries, so if they have spare hospital beds they may be willing to accept tourists from countries with far more than the 50 cases per 100,000 rate that our Government were using in the summer.

It is, but it may be reasonable to assume that much of Europe will be behind the UK in vaccination levels for the next few months; maybe only starting at the beginning of January. Vaccination uptake has been problematic in France for a while too...
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Just had notification from Crystal Ski (UK) that my trip to Italy (Sestriere) 10-17th January has been cancelled - even though I thought Italy was planning on opening slopes from 7th of Jan. Spoke to one of their agents who advised that all ski holidays up to 10th of Jan are being cancelled.
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snowball wrote:
I'm even wondering now if my mid April end of season Holiday in Tignes with the Ski Club of GB may be off.


Sadly, I think a lot on here are (like me) resigned to the season being written off entirely, as opposed to wondering if late-season trips may be cancelled.

I'm impressed by your optimism but am wondering more along the lines of whether there's any hope in hell that: a) French resorts will open at all this season; b) whether we will be allowed to travel abroad anyway (in view of Covid AND B****t); and c) even in the event of a) and b), whether it will be deemed safe to travel to France.

Here's hoping... rolling eyes
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Is there nowhere on the UK travel corridor you can ski without isolating on arrival (eg with a -ve PCR test or something)? Norway, Finland, Iceland, Japan, Chile (although out of season?)?
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@Themasterpiece, Dubai?
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Bergmeister wrote:
snowball wrote:
I'm even wondering now if my mid April end of season Holiday in Tignes with the Ski Club of GB may be off.


Sadly, I think a lot on here are (like me) resigned to the season being written off entirely, as opposed to wondering if late-season trips may be cancelled.

I'm impressed by your optimism but am wondering more along the lines of whether there's any hope in hell that: a) French resorts will open at all this season; b) whether we will be allowed to travel abroad anyway (in view of Covid AND B****t); and c) even in the event of a) and b), whether it will be deemed safe to travel to France.

Here's hoping... rolling eyes


The only reason I see for no skiing in France this year is if the french stop us entering due to the number of covid cases in the uk.
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@Themasterpiece, Dubai?


Is Ski Dubai larger than the UK indoor slopes? Could be an interesting vacation anyway.

Reason I asked about other countries is there seems to be a lot of focus on France only.
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Themasterpiece wrote:
Is there nowhere on the UK travel corridor you can ski without isolating on arrival (eg with a -ve PCR test or something)? Norway, Finland, Iceland, Japan, Chile (although out of season?)?


You can come to Switzerland without restrictions, but of course you need to do some quarantine when you get back to the U.K.
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Bergmeister wrote:
snowball wrote:
I'm even wondering now if my mid April end of season Holiday in Tignes with the Ski Club of GB may be off.


Sadly, I think a lot on here are (like me) resigned to the season being written off entirely, as opposed to wondering if late-season trips may be cancelled.

I'm impressed by your optimism but am wondering more along the lines of whether there's any hope in hell that: a) French resorts will open at all this season; b) whether we will be allowed to travel abroad anyway (in view of Covid AND B****t); and c) even in the event of a) and b), whether it will be deemed safe to travel to France.

Here's hoping... rolling eyes


The only reason I see for no skiing in France this year is if the french stop us entering due to the number of covid cases in the uk.


That was my scenario b) Sad
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@Themasterpiece,
http://youtube.com/v/xIX9ju_ZbAY&ab_channel=ViatorTravel
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Bulgaria just extended its lockdown until the end of the Jan - only hotel guests can use hotel restaurants and all other restaurants just doing takeaway service etc ... not the best way to spend Christmas & the NY ... no news if Bulgaria will ignore the EU wide ban on Brits
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Christmas Geneva flights moved to Mid April, so the possibility of high altitude French trip, maybe EoSB?

In meantime just threw down a deposit for Kirchberg. May never happen, but availability from Ireland is disappearing fast!
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There seems to be a fair bit of confusion about whether people in a UK Tier 3 region can legally go abroad on holiday: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/can-i-travel-in-tier-3-abroad-b1774914.html

During the recent lockdown that ended on 2nd December no one in England could travel domestically or abroad for leisure. From one minute past midnight on 2 December, people living in tiers 1 and 2 have been told they are able to take holidays. But for residents of tier 3 areas, the government says: "Avoid travelling out of the area, other than where necessary such as for work, education, youth services, medical attention or because of caring responsibilities.” No. 10 indicated that the instruction to “avoid travelling out of the area” was law, rather than merely guidance.

But before lockdown ended on 2 December, the transport secretary, Grant Shapps, said tier 3 residents would be able to go abroad. Speaking on the BBC’s Today programme, he said holidays would be allowed abroad – “if you're going straight to an airport”.

Confused? You're not the only one it seems. Laughing

The government has since confirmed that there will be no legal impediment to travelling on holiday from anywhere in England – subject to outbound and inbound rules.

People living in tiers 1 and 2 will be able to go to tier 3 areas to board a flight. In terms of domestic travel, those living in tier 3 have been advised not to travel outside of their area except for essential reasons such as work or education.


So the conclusion seems to be that if you are in Tier 3 it is legal for you to go abroad on holiday, although the Government advises against it (as indeed they have advised against travel to most European countries since the first wave of the pandemic earlier this year, regardless of what Tier you are in). So it comes down to a matter of individual judgement given your individual circumstances. Madeye-Smiley
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@Alastair Pink, So basically do what you like, I'm incapable of making a decision and can blame you all when it goes t**s up rolling eyes
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Italy on 18362 cases yesterday and 683 deaths.. cant see us getting there in january or even early feb..but we live in hope
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@Alastair Pink, So basically do what you like, I'm incapable of making a decision and can blame you all when it goes t**s up rolling eyes


No it's not do what you like, its act sensibly within the guidelines, there are so many possible scenarios that they simply cant legislate for everyone they give general guidelines and expect people to abide by the spirit of them. It would appear that some are incapable of grown up thought
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n.


So the conclusion seems to be that if you are in Tier 3 it is legal for you to go abroad on holiday, although the Government advises against it (as indeed they have advised against travel to most European countries since the first wave of the pandemic earlier this year, regardless of what Tier you are in). So it comes down to a matter of individual judgement given your individual circumstances. Madeye-Smiley


This doesn't apply in Scotland, if you live in a Scottish Tier 3 area it is illegal to travel out of your area other than for work etc. Surely the message should be "STOP TRAVELING AROUND SPREADING THE VIRUS".
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Travelling doesn't spread the virus. Breathing near other people spreads the virus.
It's disappointing that the various authorities (in the UK and elsewhere) can't find a way of discouraging or penalising actual conveyance of the virus from one person to another, or more especially, from one person to many others. As opposed to criminalising behaviour which is only very indirectly linked to breathing on others, like driving somewhere, or just walking across a local council boundary.
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@peerless ploughman, yes it is definitely disappointing that other people are being insufficiently penalised rolling eyes
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"Travelling doesn't spread the virus. Breathing near other people spreads the virus."

Breathing whilst travelling does spread the virus.
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The official attitude seems to be, penalise other people for crossing an invisible council boundary. These 'criminals' are easier targets than actual superspreaders.
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I have remained optimistic that our planned trip to France on 22nd Jan (driving, self-catering avoiding bars restaurants etc.) would still be possible, and maybe have Switzerland as a back-up, and indeed we are still very much in the "wait and see until the last minute" camp and if we are allowed in to France we will go. Our plan C would be to move it on to March time.

However my optimism is currently stretched to it's all time breaking point now and I may even be accepting it won't happen.

Edited to say we are lucky enough to be renting accommodation from a friend so there is no deposit or cancellation fees to worry about and can quarantine on return.


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@robs1, exactly so do it properly like Germany, Holland, France etc. Example of how it won’t work - There was a 20 something female last night being interviewed on BBC news in Hereford, really pleased that she’s been moved down a tier “and they can now start socialising as back to normal”....these are the people who don’t respond to this government approach, they will ttp and we’ll all end up back in a lockdown January. Relaxing the rules at Christmas is madness and further demonstrates poor leadership.
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NickYoung wrote:
"Travelling doesn't spread the virus. Breathing near other people spreads the virus."

Breathing whilst travelling does spread the virus.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun)
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The threat of a possible England Tier 4 lockdown after Christmas could knacker the chance of skiing. I guess if it was regional rather national, it would then be difficult to ban international travel.
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I see one of the Italian lift operators in val gardena have said they arent going to operate at all this season. Gone from.hope to disappointment in a few days
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Planet ski update, no non- essential UK travel to Switzerland after Jan 1st whilst Uk on high Covid status? Also updated on Swiss Gov. site.
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere
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@susieski, not quite - those of us with an EU/EEA passport who reside in UK will still be allowed to travel to Switzerland for tourism. UK (only) passport holders will not be allowed.
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Sweden has also confirmed UK citizens will not be allowed to enter Sweden after the Brexit transition period ends:

The Swedish Government has announced that from 1 January 2021 UK nationals resident in the UK will not be permitted entry to Sweden for non-essential purposes due to EU-wide COVID-19 restrictions on UK nationals.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/sweden/entry-requirements
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Planet ski update, no non- essential UK travel to Switzerland after Jan 1st whilst Uk on high Covid status? Also updated on Swiss Gov. site.
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere


Looking on the Swiss gov site the UK isn’t on the List of countries and areas with an increased risk of infection. See

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/empfehlungen-fuer-reisende/quarantaene-einreisende.html#1355154378
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@thunderer, Switzerland has confirmed it will ban entry to UK citizens after the Brexit transition period ends:

Switzerland confirms UK passport holders won't be allowed to enter Switzerland from January 1st onwards as tourists due to losing FoM rights post Brexit:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/sem/aktuell/faq-einreiseverweigerung.html#-1876973079

"UK citizens who have not acquired rights under the AFMP are regarded as third country citizens when entering Switzerland and no longer have rights of free movement. This means, for example, that UK citizens are no longer allowed to enter Switzerland from the UK as tourists. See ‘Who is not allowed to enter Switzerland?’ under ‘Entering Switzerland’."
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Ok, I understand if you are a UK citizen you can’t enter Swiss after 1st Jan, but because the UK isn’t on that list, if you are a EU citizen you can travel from the UK to Swiss without having to quarantine.
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