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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Amazing
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So here's a question that sounds a bit like "can you check your crystal ball and tell me what you think" but:
- What are the chances of anything opening up on the 30th of November? (seeing that Arlberg and Ischgl have already pushed back their dates)
- Is the potential date of mid-December of any... certainty? (Again, this is really in the context of covid - well aware nobody can guarantee it)
In case anyone's wondering, I've been indoors and not on a mountain for way too long 
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@blind_raven, I'd say nil, and slim
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@blind_raven, assuming you are in the UK non-essential travel is banned until 2nd December, so 30th Nov is not doable even if open (which nothing will be).
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I'm not, so I don't have to worry about UK policy my question is targeted at the destination.
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I think if anything opens up for Christmas and New Year week then that will be a surprise to me
I think they will try
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@blind_raven, the news in the past few days has been fairly optimistic, not only the vaccine but also it appears as if the recent rate of increase in virus cases could be slowing down maybe even dropping (though currently not in Austria). Austria very much wants to get the ski resorts running, there is simply too much of the economy that revolves around them. However until there is a reasonably sustained decrease in the virus levels and the number of hospitalisations also decrease governments are in a difficult place. I would say there is a reasonable chance that some of the resorts will open in mid December (snow permitting  ) but the only way to find out is to wait. If you are really itching to ski then a number of the Swiss resorts are open and seem to be intending to stay open (see the Swiss thread). I know not really the same thing but given the mild weather you could get out on a bike?
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Just had notification from BA that they have cancelled our Heathrow to Salzburg flights for early December , looks like they won't be flying until 17 December.
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| blind_raven wrote: |
So here's a question that sounds a bit like "can you check your crystal ball and tell me what you think" but:
- What are the chances of anything opening up on the 30th of November? (seeing that Arlberg and Ischgl have already pushed back their dates)
- Is the potential date of mid-December of any... certainty? (Again, this is really in the context of covid - well aware nobody can guarantee it)
In case anyone's wondering, I've been indoors and not on a mountain for way too long |
In the short term rumours are more in the direction of further restrictions, rather than lifting restrictions earlier than planned.
I do expect lifts will be spinning in time for the Christmas week though.
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I would say there is a reasonable chance that some of the resorts will open in mid December (snow permitting ) but the only way to find out is to wait. If you are really itching to ski then a number of the Swiss resorts are open and seem to be intending to stay open (see the Swiss thread).
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My feeling is somewhat the same. I wish I could avoid Christmas ski - I've done it a lot in the past when it wasn't an issue, but what I realistically worry for is the crowds and the kids that will inevitably be everywhere. And I expect that most countries will go back in some lockdown mid-January if not sooner. So that leaves a very small window to "escape" that isn't something like March (at best!)
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| I know not really the same thing but given the mild weather you could get out on a bike? |
I've been doing longer rides in spite of the crappy weather. I look forward to see if all the running and biking has put me in a better shape for skiing this year and I can challenge myself a bit more.
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In the short term rumours are more in the direction of further restrictions, rather than lifting restrictions earlier than planned.
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I see the measures are sort of working, but as you said, probably not fast enough for the 30th.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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An FYI BA have cancelled all London to Salzburg flights until 17 December, looks like its going to be Munich and hire a car for us.
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An FYI BA have cancelled all London to Salzburg flights until 17 December, looks like its going to be Munich and hire a car for us.
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Seems pretty clear that they know/expect the lockdown in Austria to be prolonged.
I might go down sooner and hike something, and when it opens actually go ski.
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You know it makes sense.
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Easyjet have just cancelled my flights to Innsbruck on 20th Jan! Feels a bit premature but if the airlines are proactively cancelling this far out it doesn't bode well.
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| Adamski28 wrote: |
| Easyjet have just cancelled my flights to Innsbruck on 20th Jan! Feels a bit premature but if the airlines are proactively cancelling this far out it doesn't bode well. |
Oh dear, that's very bad news, so far out! 9th Jan for me but BA so hopefully we're still in some kind of post-Christmas lull where we can get away
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Poster: A snowHead
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I can understand why the 20th jan, as its midweek, and they will know at this stage how many seats were already booked on it. I suspect very few, so easier getting those less populated flights moved now, so that at least some will chose to go either side of them dates.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I can understand why the 20th jan, as its midweek, and they will know at this stage how many seats were already booked on it. I suspect very few, so easier getting those less populated flights moved now, so that at least some will chose to go either side of them dates.
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Is it that, or do they suspect that there'll be a lockdown as soon as winter holidays close?
Btw, is Cervinia still open? I know Italy has some sort of a lockdown at this moment, with Aosta as the most affected area.
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@blind_raven, the airlines profile flights against demand, some very clever algorithms , this year there is the added complication of Covid, forward bookings have been low as everyone holds back from making bookings, which in turn means that the airlines aren't seeing demand and are cancelling.
With my own flights BA operates about four flights a day at peak to Salzburg from London, the moved all the Gatwick flights to Heathrow but maintained the schedule, when I got my cancelation through I had thought that they were consolidating the flights, but they haven't and cancelled everything through to 17 December for Salzburg, I believe that it's due to lack of forward bookings, they will have taken teh view that at this time of year they should have a certain level of load factor which they haven't got add that to the Covid restrictions in place at the moment meant that they cancelled the flights, the new schedule form the 17 December has three flights on Saturday and Sunday and just a daily flight during the week.
Its likely that midweek flights are more at risk and airlines will look at frequency of flights and especially from London which airports the operate form and consolidate those flights to one airport as BA have done with Gatwick.
Italy locked down and asked all teh ski resorts to suspend lift service, I believe until the end of November.
Yes I used to work in the travel industry
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Easyjet have canceled everything to Salzburg out to 30 Jan 21.
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Technically not true. You can still get on a EJ flight from Bristol to Salzburg in jan.
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@RedandWhiteFlachau, It's probably London if you look at the capacity on the route for a Saturday you have airlines operating out of Luton (Easyjet), Stanstead (Jet2,Ryanair,Wow), Gatwick (Easyjet), Heathrow (BA), all except BA have or had one flight a day, BA has 4 as they moved the Gatwick flights to Heathrow. Currently the demand isn't there to put bums in seats.
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@radar, @jafa, I stand corrected. All London Gatwick flights to Salzburg in January.
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Ordino Arcalis?
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@Bennyboy1, Andorra?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@radar, yes
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@RedandWhiteFlachau, Still not technically correct! LGW - SZG still available on 19th and 26th December and 2nd January - from Sleazy's website this morning. Where are you getting your info?
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@radar, wrong forum!
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You know it makes sense.
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@Bennyboy1, LOL, got me thinking on the entry requirements Spain or France
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@Gilby,yes there is a flight on 2 January probably aimed at getting people back who flew out in December , there are no Gatwick flights in January beyond the second until 1 February
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Looks like another hard lockdown for Austria will be announced tomorrow afternoon.
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Don’t think so - assume this is to reduce cases so the resorts can open
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@Gilby, I have LGW to SLZ flights cancelled on 16, 23, 25 and 30 Jan so I wouldn't trust any of the Easy Jet flights in Jan even if they are still technically available for booking.
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The situation in Austria seems a bit strange. Here in Germany the amount of new infections appear to have levelled off even if it is not dropping (have to see what happens over the next few days), though the level is higher in the areas bordering Austria than further north. Even so the level is a good deal less, the 7 day rate in Schwaz (which includes the Zillertal & Achensee area thus includes large areas of mountain with very low population) is over 1300, Innsbruck around 600. Munich and the surrounding areas are around 150 - 200. The approaches in both places have been similar as are the health systems and society generally. There must be a reason for such a stark difference but it is currently not apparent.
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@munich_irish, interesting
The only difference is the altitude I guess? But even so say somewhere like Mayrhofen is 650m above sea level.
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@munich_irish, I wondered this myself. I live not too far from Schwaz, and my own village and also all the surrounding ones also have very high incidence. The villages themselves are generally very sleepy places and the main, if not only, industry in them is farming – not something likely to be a great contributor to virus spread. It is possible that a lot of people from these areas work in the industrial areas in the Inntal, but I'm not sure how many and whether those factories and offices are the source of the spread – but if so, why so much in this area?
Austria has been much slower to react than Germany, I think, and the regulation fiddling they have done has not really been with areas likely to make a big difference. I think they may have tied themselves up with their own legislation, making it possible to introduce very hard restrictions only when the hospitals are under threat. It doesn't take a genius to realise that at that point, it might be a bit late.
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
@munich_irish, interesting
The only difference is the altitude I guess? But even so say somewhere like Mayrhofen is 650m above sea level. |
Altitude? I don't think 600m is considered high enough to make any difference to anything.
Attitude, meanwhile...
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FAQ
(EZY8560) This is the return flight of EZY8559 which leaves LGW for SZG at 12.35 on 2nd for a reasonable £28.99 