 Poster: A snowHead
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What I want to know is when are MXP easter car hire prices going to drop as a result of this?
On a slightly more serious note (but still a first world problem), trip booked for 4-11 April in Cervinia. Annual travel insurance expires and will be renewed on 29 March - looks like I might be without insurance if travel is stopped 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Health Sec to make a Commons statement at 12:30.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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*rushes to renew travel insurance*
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Too long to renewal, so had to take out a new policy from today.
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@albob, true, but I hope they are skiers or borders and not just looking for virus stuff!
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We came back from Pila over the weekend, none of us are showing any symptoms (I have a tickly cough, but I've had it since I had a cold a couple of weeks before we went. It isn't getting worse). There have been suspected cases in Aosta Valley, but all have tested negative for Covid-19. The 10 year old has since been on a school trip since Monday (comes back today), the 6 year old hasn't gone to school today on their request, and our childminder has asked that the 2 year old stays home too. SWMBO's work has also asked her to stay home today. (I work from home anyway).
However, Public Health England have told us to go about our lives as normal.
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Yeah, I'm being told by my work all is fine to travel to MXP/Aosta area but not 100% sure what to do! I guess it'll depend on what my brothers work says!
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We are flying to Turin on 7 March and heading up to Monterosa area ...in touch with our hotel but not thinking of cancelling unless things dramatically change ...fingers crossed
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Are you sure that's what it says ? The number I found for deaths a few days ago was around 300, and the PDF seems to confirm that.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@AndAnotherThing.., Page 51, table 7.
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| Orange200 wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| I'm afraid nobody has a crystal ball on this. |
What??!! I booked through Crystal specifically! |
Speaking of tour operators, anyone else booked with Esprit to Champoluc via Turin airport? They had no rebooking/refund policy in place as of yesterday.
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You know it makes sense.
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Why would they?
There's no FCO advice against the area.
The Aosta Valley tested all suspected cases of CV-19 and they came up clean.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Hamish, cheers, my reading of it. Essentially if you are old, it can trigger death, or if you have an underlying disease, e.g Asthma. Its quite frequent that you die of more than one thing as you get older. I'm 62 and have has Asthma since I was 10. I'm in the crosshairs of this thing, however I will unless we get FCO advice otherwise be off to Zermatt. Possibly less chance of getting flu there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Corporal Jones springs to mind.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Planned to travel to Zermatt next week through Malpensa, switched to Zurich instead. Less risky?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I rather doubt any TO would feel obliged to offer a simple refund if you decide not to travel, unless there is official FCO advice not to travel. And in the event that such official advice has been given, then the TO could argue that you should claim on your own travel insurance.
Bit of a catch-22, but I am informed that commercial tour operators are generally unable to insure themselves against business disruption caused by act of God/communicable disease, war etc.
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I shouldn’t worry about insurance they will always let you buy it, the issue is will they pay out. They always refer to govt advice.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Reports from Local.fr that the Ibis hotel in Beaune is in lockdown following the death of a Chinese tourist. Not yet confirmed to be Covid-19 though.
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It's a bit surprising to see a few on here (and many, many more on the FCO facebook page!) seeming to think that their panic about a travel situation should allow them to force a TO to refund them for their trip. Do you realise what a dangerous precedent that would set for the travel industry? It would be utter madness. Yes, there's risk, but I'd argue that by now there's as much risk travelling on London Underground or walking around major european cities. Just because those locations aren't reporting infections doesn't mean they're not there. It was fashion week in Milan a week or so back, FFS... where do you think those people all went?
The irony of worrying about catching coronavirus when comparing that risk to the ones you put yourself at firstly travelling to, and then moving around the slopes of, Italian ski resorts is mind-boggling. "I might infect someone else..." Yes, you might. But take some simple precautions and you probably won't. Stop bleating about a situation over which you have no control and either go or don't go, but don't expect the TO to give you any money back if there is no official advisory in place from people better placed to know than you.
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@carled, agreed
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Another 52 confirmed cases reported today in Italy. Again, majority of the increases are in Lombardy, Veneto and Emiglia Romagna regions.
Also a potential case in Bad Kleinkirchen where an Italian woman has died. Not confirmed yet but not ruled out either.
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| Hamish wrote: |
| @AndAnotherThing.., Page 51, table 7. |
That seems at odds with the rest of the report where the 300ish number keeps cropping up (ie p24). I think there is a labeling \interpretation issue as on page 49 there is an "all-age all-cause deaths" chart which seems to show much the same values.
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Contacted Crystal this morning about ski trip 21st-28th March to Val di Fassa. They told me that should FCO advise/ban travelling to Italy then they would look at re-accommodating me elsewhere, in the event they couldn't, i would be fully refunded.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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So my question is, why is Italy showing so many cases - and only in a relatively confined set of regions ??
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| So my question is, why is Italy showing so many cases - and only in a relatively confined set of regions ?? |
IMHO because they are actively checking / testing
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I could catch coronavirus from a patient or colleague at work, a student in a pub or a worker in a supermarket. Where I catch it, if I eventually do makes absolutely no difference to the outcome. Self-isolating in France with a beautiful view of the mountains is rather appealing.  .
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You know it makes sense.
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| jimmybog wrote: |
Another 52 confirmed cases reported today in Italy. Again, majority of the increases are in Lombardy, Veneto and Emiglia Romagna regions.
Also a potential case in Bad Kleinkirchen where an Italian woman has died. Not confirmed yet but not ruled out either. |
The bad Kleinkirchen death has been confirmed as NOT from Norovirus
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@AndAnotherThing.., 300 deaths would seem incredibly low for flu to have caused in a year. Bear in mind that its flu that, please excuse the term, 'finishes the job off' from those who are not in perfect health as it is. Its also why we have the massive report I posted the link to, and an incredible annual immunization programme. The only point is that Flu is very dangerous, but is not new and we take it in our stride, more or less. My wife won't even have the Flu jab, and as can be seen from the report neither do millions of others. Media coverage now, would see a scramble for Coronarvirus jabs I suspect , - if available
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Poster: A snowHead
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Anyone in the Aosta valley area got any reports on how the supermarkets are coping? Know it's relatively small issue but if restaurants are closing we don't want to be stuck without food should we decide to go!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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An interesting map has been added to the travel advice page for Italy - https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy
Makes it much clearer just how small the area to avoid is!
The villages show are all that's referred to now as well - no mention of 'Northern Italy' at all!
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 26-02-20 15:09; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My wife won't even have the Flu jab, and as can be seen from the report neither do millions of others.
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Which is a great shame, and probably responsible for the "finishing off" of some people who would not have caught flu if the herd immunity were better.
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For many of us, being caught up in a lock-down while on holiday would be deeply inconvenient. But spare a thought for the small ski holiday company or hotel in an affected region; for them, it could signal financial ruin and the end of their livelihood.
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@oliverracing, the Aosta Valley has had no confirmed cases.
You might as well be asking how are the supermarkets holding up in Tower Hamlets?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| So my question is, why is Italy showing so many cases - and only in a relatively confined set of regions ?? |
Although I cant give the full correct answer as I dont have all the facts, but two potential reasons are 1. Mismanagement by the hospital in Codogno treating the first case which resulted in a rapid spread of the virus. 2. Authorities still unable to find "patient 0" the person who brought the virus into the country. The question is why are there two separate red zone areas (one in Lombardy and one in Veneto). I believe the answer to this is that a resident from the Veneto town of Vo was frequenting bars in the Lombardy area, caught the virus and then it spread back home in Vo. Whether this is true or not I cant confirm but is what I read a few days ago.
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@mitcva, it's a fair point but there are no ski resorts in, or even near, an affected region (see @CiderBoy's map) unless you want to just call 'Italy' an affected region but if you're going to do that you might as well call 'Europe' an affected region (I suspect the US is already heading that way) so we're all doomed DOOMED! 
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Flu vacines just make you more susceptable to viruses
Taking flu vacines prevents your body from naturally fighting previous years flu rounds...
Folks should let there bodys naturally fight off flu thus building up a very strong immunity to future flu rouuds...
In effect flu Vacines will make your body weaker and weaker with no immunity
Last edited by After all it is free  on Wed 26-02-20 15:30; edited 1 time in total
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| oliverracing wrote: |
| Anyone in the Aosta valley area got any reports on how the supermarkets are coping? Know it's relatively small issue but if restaurants are closing we don't want to be stuck without food should we decide to go! |
Good grief. I despair. Yes, zombies roam the streets and all there is to eat are rats and grass. Good luck out there.
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Flip @stanton, I never realised you were one of those anti-vaxxer's!
Remind me to never take anything you say seriously!
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