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munich_irish wrote:
@klang180, the registring thing varies from country to country. In Germany you have (I think, it is a good number of years since I did it) a month to register and all you have to do as a EU citizen is show your passport and proof of medical insurance, no second visit with pay slips etc as in Austria. The Germans are more relaxed than the Austrians about registering where you live though you do have to do so, every interaction with the state, taxes, driving licence etc flows from the registration at the local town hall. The concept of an "official address" does not really exist in the UK. It can be a pain as a non German to prove where you live as all Germans have their address on their ID document whereas non Germans just have a passport with no address. Other places eg Italy will involve more bureaucracy. In general it is no big thing though clearly that is subject to change for the brits.


Apologies I have been away for a bit and only just catching up. Thanks for this insight, I am disscussing with my partner as we speak and trying to narrow down likely destinations as we might have got it the wrong way around and instead need to find a place that "suits" prior to what we will do there as my partner can work anywhere with internet and I hope to engineer something similar but with some lifestyle related work to get to know people. Anyway, thanks again.
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abc wrote:
Orange200 wrote:
@queenie pretty please, sure but I suspect you need a certain level of the language already to do that, and the OP.... oh hang on, perhaps he's underselling himself again... Very Happy

The quickest way to get to that "certain level of the language" is to live amongst the locals. The fewer English speaker the better. Shocked

I'm an immigrant myself. I see around me my fellow non-English speakers who, after decades living in an English speaking environment, still don't have the language fundamental to get through a bit of tough spot (for example going to the doctors and learning a whole bunch of unfamiliar words in one sitting). Because they spend a lot of their time speaking their native language! Sad

Ultimately, it's the mindset. You're either moving "to be close to the 'mountains'" which happens to be located in Europe. Or you're moving to LIVE in Austria/France/Italy/Spain. There's a difference between the two. rolling eyes


Yes I am starting to grasp this and actually really need to think what it is that appeals to me about the move. I do recognise that just changing your environment won't mean much if you're still the same person but lonelier so I don't see it as a magic bullet by any means. I think (and I use that word as I cannot be sure) that I want to LIVE in these places rather than "in the mountains" and would not be looking to jet back every few weeks to get my quota of friends and family. I'm fairly used to living in new places and trying to get "out there" so to speak, but of course the language barrier is a huge issue with this move.
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Alastair wrote:
klang180 wrote:
On Brexit, it seems that the issue would be that whereas as an EU member it would be easy to rent our place out here and then rent a place there now it would seem there is a requirement to buy out there (wherever that is) in order to secure EU rights? I am not sure this is even true though as I would imagine this is a bit of a loophole that they would be keen to close. So with all the talk of speed before December I am still not sure how one can do it and retain a presence here? Guess that is not the point of my original thread though.


Certainly no need to buy anywhere in France. Get here before 31st Dec and proof of id, address, income and health insurance is what's needed. Exact details of how the process will work is awaited - it's expected to be an online process with a single office visit for fingerprinting.


Thanks, that is helpful to know. France is an interesting prospect for us as we have never been drawn to the resorts of France but do often holiday there outside winter. We are concerned about the classic stereotypes of France i.e. the bureaucracy and relative hostility of some of the population (not that the UK is any different) but do different areas of the French alps have different character? We would never move near to a mega resort as we have never wanted to ever visit but what about the smaller lesser known places?
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DB wrote:
http://youtube.com/v/Cq32yReW8Rs


http://youtube.com/v/erHbsJ-j7dE


Ok that does a pretty good job of selling it. the other half thinks Innsbruck looks a little "grey" but I did remind her we live in England and that winter here is often very very grey, she seem to concede on that point Cool

It's on the list for sure.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Orange200 wrote:
abc wrote:
Orange200 wrote:
@queenie pretty please, sure but I suspect you need a certain level of the language already to do that, and the OP.... oh hang on, perhaps he's underselling himself again... Very Happy

The quickest way to get to that "certain level of the language" is to live amongst the locals. The fewer English speaker the better. Shocked

I'm an immigrant myself. I see around me my fellow non-English speakers who, after decades living in an English speaking environment, still don't have the language fundamental to get through a bit of tough spot (for example going to the doctors and learning a whole bunch of unfamiliar words in one sitting). Because they spend a lot of their time speaking their native language! Sad

Ultimately, it's the mindset. You're either moving "to be close to the 'mountains'" which happens to be located in Europe. Or you're moving to LIVE in Austria/France/Italy/Spain. There's a difference between the two. rolling eyes


Nice post.

I bought my house in a Portuguese neighbourhood, and as such chat with the neighbours, cafe owners, shopkeepers etc. I quickly learned not to move into another popular neighbourhood when I sat down at a cafe, ordered everything in Portuguese, and the waiter replied in English "Thank you very much sir." That went right off my list. I heard a story since that some expats buy there BECAUSE they don't have to learn Portuguese! rolling eyes I know there are many non-English who like to practise their language skills and be kind to the apparently stupid monolinguals, but I quickly explain I'm in their country and am really trying to learn their language - they appreciate that.

The mindset is also a nice point, but I'd use it for the temporary/permanent distinction. If you pop out to try something, my guess is you'll have a mindset of "well we're not really here as we're still attached to the UK". Each holiday going back to the UK reinforces that link. Taking a major step to make the stay permanent, such as buying a place, can really focus you on the now and break that mental link, that I've seen with many people who never really settled. The claim "but it was really difficult to integrate" is a vicious cycle. Takes work but is so rewarding in the end. And I would like to think that if you go to Spain/France it will be a lot easier than here as the people generally are more open and receptive.


Thanks Orange and I think you're right, the "we're not really here" mentality can happne very easily and even in some respects is still the case here in Exeter nevermind somewhere further afield. I guess all I can say is that I am mindful of it and am fully aware that you only get one shot at life so would hope to not fall victim to that too readily, very good point to make sure of though! I am trying to discern the relative openess of the potential alpine countries and whether you can really do that at all? I mean in general I would say the English are fairly reserved and closed but then it isn't universal and is very different from one place to the next so is it possible to do this for the French, Spanish, Austrians, Swiss, Germans, Italians etc? I am not being philosophical or PC I am just trying to discern if one can draw any useful conclusions. Puzzled
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DB wrote:
Northern Italy is another biking mecca with plenty of skiing possibilities


http://youtube.com/v/3IaY7a1D1sw&t=167s


http://youtube.com/v/Hrngoi_JFk8


http://youtube.com/v/uKpgawZLM-8


Yes Northern Italy is on the radar but thanks for this, I do love my bikes!
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DB, that is a fair point and not something lost on us. The only issue is that we are not all that close to family as it stands now, ok it's a 3-4hr drive and not a flight and drive but it is still not a pop in for a drink sort of distance. Point taken though.

SwissDH, thanks I will look into that. I think what is worth noting is I am looking to be part of the mountain community somehow rather than just copy a typical UK life but in the mountains. I would have thought being a teacher in the alps would be just as stressful and all consuming as it is here?

Pasiagal, thanks for the reality check served up with a side of positivism, it is appreciated. I do really believe in the where there is a will mentality, I guess only I can decide if there is sufficient will rather than just toying with the idea. Thanks very much for your perspective though, I wonder if it is similar in places other than France? it does seem that France is particularly protective and closed but is this always the case elsewhere?

Orange, again thanks, you've been very supportive and I will take a look at those suggestions. Just to say that my partner is reliant only on an internet connection and can (and has) do her work anywhere as long as she is online. She doesn't need to be near a large place for work however she is interested in pursuing a masters so now I am keeping half an eye open for a larger place nearish that might offer courses (in English), I mean it's not like Brexit, lack of language and local knowledge isn't making it hard enough already NehNeh

Oh and having a well paid job is not all that important, yes we need enough to survive and one could argue about long term sustainability of anyone's more frugal existence but we take most of our pleasure from being outside and people and not from material things (at least we try to) so I don't think the money need be brilliant.
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klang180 wrote:
DB wrote:
http://youtube.com/v/Cq32yReW8Rs


http://youtube.com/v/erHbsJ-j7dE


Ok that does a pretty good job of selling it. the other half thinks Innsbruck looks a little "grey" but I did remind her we live in England and that winter here is often very very grey, she seem to concede on that point Cool

It's on the list for sure.


It can be obviously, when it rains or snows, but it's pretty rare to have the sort of drizzle and hanging cloud/fog you get for days/weeks at a time in the UK. A more up to date video, which shows a bit more of the city:


http://youtube.com/v/yP4q4vgBjWw

And even when it is grey, it's not so bad:


http://youtube.com/v/WtyiMX1eJug
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^I agree with that about the weather – it’s a *huge* improvement on miserable grey island weather. Yeah, it rains a fair bit, but it’s usually shorter, heavier storms, and summer is actually a proper summer from about mid April to end of October, with a considerable number of hot sunny days. Too hot, sometimes, but generally at least 20C and often well above that. The wind is something else though.
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Just a little update for anyone (still) interested. After looking into life in the mountains and showing the other half some options we seem to be quite drawn to Innsbruck after all. I still have to work out what i will "do" but I am working on that. I am not really interested in a normal 9-5, at least I do not think I am, and would like to work in a mountain related activity but as yet that remains slightly open ended. I know, I know I have to get my back bottom in gear, and quick! My dream would be to be an instructor and then a guide but that is a route I have researched fairly extensively and it doesn't look good, even if you don't need a massive amount of income from it.

Innsbruck peeps have you got any tips for websites to look for rentals and any other information particularly around meeting people? I see there is an internationals Meetup group and English speakers in Tirol group but any other tips gladly received.

In other news, turns out my Grandmother from my Mum's side was Irish! I am now trying to gather all the information for this so I can get registered on the foreign birth register and hopefully get myself an Irish passport (much to the chagrin of many Irish people I have been in contact with Puzzled ). It is going to be a difficult line of inquiry though as she did desert my mum and so all the info is not available but it has to be worth a shot!
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klang180 wrote:

Innsbruck peeps have you got any tips for websites to look for rentals....


The Austrian equivalent of "Gumtree" or "Craigslist" is Willhaben: https://www.willhaben.at It's pretty much all in German, so you might need an online translator. "Immobilien" is real estate. "Hauser" is house, "Wohnungen" is apartment/flat and "Mieten" is rent.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
I’ve been through the foreign births register - it took 2 years! But I know how to get every certificate under the sun so if you need any help just message.
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klang180 wrote:
Innsbruck peeps have you got any tips for websites to look for rentals and any other information particularly around meeting people? I see there is an internationals Meetup group and English speakers in Tirol group but any other tips gladly received.

In other news, turns out my Grandmother from my Mum's side was Irish! I am now trying to gather all the information for this so I can get registered on the foreign birth register and hopefully get myself an Irish passport (much to the chagrin of many Irish people I have been in contact with Puzzled ). It is going to be a difficult line of inquiry though as she did desert my mum and so all the info is not available but it has to be worth a shot!

I have a load of links from rental sites from when we were looking. PM me your email and I'll send them over. The good stuff goes fast – you can book viewings weeks out but if they are hanging around you don't want them. You need to be on the ground and ready to sign. We booked a week in an AirBnB about 6-8 weeks before we moved and did a load of viewings. The one we eventually took came up while we were over, I got a viewing the next day and we had committed by the end of the week. Watch out for damp in the older buildings, disguised with a lick of paint.

There are loads of facebook groups and WhatsApp groups for various activities, but people themselves are an impenetrable wall. Don't worry too much about finding English speakers – most of the non-German speakers use English as their main communication with friends, and the German speakers are pretty used to it too. I tend to avoid the specifically English speaking groups though.

We've just been through a similar thing, but not Irish. It helps a lot if you have birth/death/marriage names, dates and locations, but if you don't, you should be able to track this stuff down through census records etc. You don't have to go too far back, so you should be able to find everything, but if you get stuck there are people you can hire to help. We managed to find all UK docs ourselves, but had to pay a specialist to track down the first birth certificate in the line in the depths of some 19th C Italian archive.
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You know it makes sense.
klang180 wrote:
In other news, turns out my Grandmother from my Mum's side was Irish! I am now trying to gather all the information for this so I can get registered on the foreign birth register and hopefully get myself an Irish passport ... it has to be worth a shot!


Absolutely. There is lots of news about many Brits applying for Irish passports since June 2016, so hopefully the procedures are now more clear and there are more staff to deal with the processing.
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 Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
@klang180, obviously I'm not in Innsbruck, but the following websites I found invaluable when looking for an apartment:

willhaben.at
immobilienscout24.at
immmo.at
immowelt.at

As Scarlet says, the best apartments get snapped up, especially if they are 'Provisionsfrei', i.e. without fees. You will need to pay a sizable deposit in any case.

If you're thinking of instructing, then you'll need an additional income for the other 7-8 months of the year of course. I guess we all loved the idea of a ski/mountain-related job, but ultimately I couldn't live on such a low income, so for me a 'real job' was an absolute necessity. But if you already have another source of income, then fine. Good luck.
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Hello everyone, thanks so much for your responses already, they are all very helpful.

Phillc thanks for that, I will take a look to get my bearings on costs of living there. I am aware that it'll be expensive as anywhere people really want to live is (spending several years in Oxford taught me that) but it's much better to get a realistic picture.

nadenoodlee, two years! wow that is quite the undertaking but I am not phased (yet). I will probably get in touch about this as it seems it might be difficult to get original birth certificate, marriage certificates and death certificate of my grandmother considering she was estranged from my mum. It's with my Mum at the moment so I will see what she comes back with but I will contact you soon enough I am sure, so thanks for the helpful offer.

Scarlet you are a legend, I will drop you a PM with my email address as that would be massively useful. Interesting you say they are an impenetrable wall though and somewhat worrying. I find that often with people here in the UK but it is a little better down here in the South-West when compared with the South-East where people seem particularly unwilling to converse or interact. I think we're both worried about meeting people more than anything else so thanks for this perspective. also I would of course want to learn German as well as possible but in the interim and before I can hold a decent conversation in German I thought English speakers might be a good bet, but don't worry they wouldn't be our sole contact otherwise there would be little point going there in the first place!

On the note about the passport I am glad you have got through it and hopefully I will too. I can't imagine there are all that many cases where the grandparent is alive and has all those documents in order so I would expect that with effort on my part it will be possible but yes it is useful to know there are professionals that can help.

Orange, thanks for your morale booster, one can only hope!

Queenie, thanks for your input. I realise that it is a "gig" sort of a job but I am feeling ok with that (for now at least) and actually like a bit of variety. Whether I would say that after many years I do not know but for now I am at peace with it. I am also hoping to work on my skills and application of previous experience in order to create income online, but obviously that is not an overnight event either.

Thanks again to all of you, what a helpful and supportive bunch you are!
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Hello Scarlett, quick question are there any areas that you'd suggest just outside the city centre or surrounding suburbs/towns that provide a little more bang for buck but still have decent connections into the centre?
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@klang180, Yes, but I'll put that in the email wink
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