Poster: A snowHead
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Hi, I managed to get hold of a 17 custom x flying v at a very reasonable price. I have Just spent a few days on it and couldn't get on with it at all.
I'm wondering if it was me, the conditions or the board or combination. I ended up getting a rental board for a few days which I got on much better with (huck knife) though wasn't as fast.
I really noticed when the slopes were washed out that it didn't bite at all on the hard patches. So much so I was being super cautious and slowing right down, board also slipped away a few times which want pleasant on steep bits. Not sure I would describe conditions as ice juts when then hard pack is exposed at the end of the day which makes me think I shouldn't have had an issue?
Day 1 we had fresh snow over night and it was great in the powder and on piste was soft. I started to notice lack of control on day 2 as the pistes got harder.
Im going again in April and know pistes will be hard in the morning so wondering if Its me and I need to sharpen up or if it's just the board not designed for the conditions?
I rode a salomon assassin last year in similar conditions and had no issues with harder snow. So I'm a bit puzzled.
Happy to flog it and buy a different board but also got some est bindings so would probably have to be a burton.
Grateful for any advice
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have the same problem with mine, I thought it might just be too short, but I struggle to hold the heel edge on hard pistes and also find I get bounced around a lot. Not that I've used it in 2 years, as I ski instead, but I had though about replacing it with a Custom X at 5cms longer.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@therock, Have you ridden a center rockered board before?
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you learned an expensive mistake in learning why it was cheap
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'm not a fan of the flying V profile. Camber between the feet and rockered tips makes much more sense to me.
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Have you ridden a center rockered board before?
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First time, Ive ridden various camber and rocker at tips.
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you learned an expensive mistake in learning why it was cheap
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Maybe but I see they have sold on ebay for similar amounts to I paid. I may keep it for days when conditions are better. Just trying to work out if that behaviour is normal.
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I've owned 2 full rockers - still have 1.
When the snow gets hard:
Trad camber - grip, grip grip, sudden let go.
Rocker - no grip from the start, controlled slide all the way, no sudden let go.
I don't have a clue but I wonder how well center rocker is suited to a stiffish board???? Most of the stiffer lib boards are c3.
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I don't have a clue but I wonder how well centrocker is suited to a stiffish board???? Most of the stiffer lib boards are c3
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To be honest I went into it wondering the same. Not sure rocker suits a stuff board, seems to be the opposite of what a stiff board is trying to do.
By no means a bad board though.
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Ultimately, you can do anything on any board. Obviously some will perform better at certain tasks and in certain conditions.
I have a very soft, full-rocker board from a few years ago that is a barrel of laughs to ride. It is not a high-performance board by any means, but I can still carve it effectively. It will eventually lose grip on hard snow sooner than a stiffer, cambered board but it can still be made to perform fairly well. I am conscious of having to manage my inputs on it through the turn in order to keep it gripping, where I might just give it full beans on a more performance-orientated board.
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I like really like my rocker. It's about soft. I would live it to be a bit stiffer between the bindings. Maybe a custom or custom X is just that? Traction bumps would help too...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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When I saw they were offering the X in the Flying V profile I did wonder. Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, like putting stabilisers on a downhill mountain bike. Pointless (unless you're in Burton's marketing department).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Seems a bit of a condratiction to me. philwig knows alot about burton snowboards of this type. I guess it's trying to be a bit more forgiving for a daily driver but it seems it doesn't suit your style so sell it asap. If you're still a beginner you might want to demo some more boards before deciding. Problem with Burton boards is that there's just too many and they pretty much lose their particular attributes with a change of profile.
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I owned a Custom Flying V with EST bindings and concur with your findings therock. When ridden off piste or in soft snow its a brilliant board as was doing 360's because you wouldn't catch an edge. It was also very quick but the trade off is its skittish on the hard pack. Carving was always a concern and you had to be absolutely sure you had an edge in otherwise it could be slam time as I soon found out . Having to brace yourself all the time was tiresome so I shifted it on and went back to a camber board Bataloen Goliath which I ride with a lot more confidence. It's a case of horses for courses as no one board will do everything really well.
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks all, I've sold it on now. Going back to a cam rock set up.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Thanks all, I've sold it on now. Going back to a cam rock set up.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I don't generally run a Burton board, but :
Mate of mine, good recreational rider, has a Process FV, and bought a Custom FV because he obviously thought it would be 'better' ....... sold it and went back to the Process.
Anyway .......
Trying to 'force an edge' on most rockered boards, on hardpack, can be a recipe for disaster ....... you have to let them scrabble around a bit usually, like Bambi on ice ...... a lot of people don't like, or can't ride, this way.
If you need 'grip' in such conditions you'll want a cambered, or heavy camber hybrid, stiffish.
Also ...... just bought a Lib TR Pro C2, after years of riding an original SK8B ...... IMO 'rocker' and 'stiff' don't go in the same sentence ...... it's for sale at half it's sticker price if anyone wants it, done two on trail runs.
Soft rockered boards are for buggering around on, some of the best laughs you'll have, but can still hold a reasonable carve if you know what you're doing .....
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