 Poster: A snowHead
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For making your own file lubricant of course!
i have it on good authority that a mix of alcohol and water is a good lubricant to use on your stones (  ) when doing yer edges. But who sells the alcohol, B&Q?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Methylated spirits is more or less alcohol; I doubt that a bit of methanol will do your stones any harm (provided it's applied topically, of course). I'm surprised that a water alcohol mix is a good lubricant; I would expect the the alcohol to evaporate smartish, leaving just water, which is a reasonable lubricant, but what's wrong with a bit of light oil?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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marc gledhill, White Meths or Isopropyl Alcohol keeps the stones from getting caked in wax and lets them cut clean. You can get a litre or two of Iso from a litho printer suppliers or a van sign co. (used to get the old adhesive residue off vans without damaging the paint finish)
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I hope you guys are up to date with your RIDDOR and COSH, and ADR HAZPAK if transporting 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Masque, is Isopropyl Alcohol also known as rubbing alcohol, or is that something else?
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marc gledhill, don't think so Iso's the stuff they rub yer bum with before sticking a needle into it.
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marc gledhill, lapping fluid for use with diamond files is about £7.50 per 100ml it basically is an oily screen wash type fluid It not really necessary. For lubrication just use a little spit its as good as anything and then clean with a little WD40 Thats what I use when I sharpen my wood turning chisels. If you want the proper stuff I sell it in my shop but it really is just a gimmick by manufacturers to get you to spend more money.
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richmond, Masque, Russell, thanks for the information. I've been googling away over lunch.
It seems some stores sell a "washfluid/water" mix as a lubricant and some sell a "denaturated alcohol/water" mix for the same thing. The ski shops say the alcohol mix works best. As Russell, says this is a rip off as you can make your own dirt cheap.
Also, denaturated or denatured alcohol is simply alcohol (which is ethanol) made undrinkable (so avoiding paying tax) by adding methanol. So methylated spirit is actually the stuff I'm after.
BTW, "mineralised methylated spirits" has a mineral oil added as well, so it's probably the best to make your lube with.
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spyderjon, sorry mate. I was writing when you posted. I've just got the full set of moonflex stones delivered from Artech, it was they who said not to buy a lube but to make my own.
Interesting point about oils, maybe I should look at normal meths, not mineralised.
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marc gledhill, BTW you only need to use cutting fluid with ya stones. For ya files just rub on some blackboard chalk to prevent clogging & then clean them with a file card after use.
russell, sorry but I disagree. Lapping fluid is great & cheap but shouldn't go anywhere p-tex bases because, as you quite rightly say, it's oil based. The oil is absorbed in to the p-tex & then inhibits the absorbtion of wax. The idea of using a good cutting fluid is to not only lubricate the stone but also to ensure that swarf etc 'floats' away from the contact area to ensure a clean & accurate cut. Water/spit alone won't do this - although if I was on the slopes & need to stone out a ding I'd use snow as a fluid.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| spyderjon........ I've just got the full set of moonflex stones delivered from Artech..... |
You know it makes sense
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I got the moonflex stones from the place spyderjon recommended in the US, seem great, only problem is I got stung by UPS for the tax, circa £25 I seem to rememeber 
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You know it makes sense.
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gregh, you paid too much then. £18.50 by royal Mail 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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at least you got stung as well 
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Poster: A snowHead
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over the last few seasons i have been dealing (at the industry test) with a couple of ski techs working for Head, both these guys are Toko master techs and work on the race circuit, their lube for the diamond file.......good old spit, or a cup of water if you can't be bothered 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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CEM, you can tell they don't buy their own kit then.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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marc gledhill, i used to do the same in the workshop when i was tuning, never caused a problem on the stones, we used them for at least 2 seasons of hard use, by that point it was only time to change because they usually got lost by then
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CEM, really?
i've worn out a pair of DMT stones (medium and coarse) in about four months doing my skis once a week, my wifes twice, and about four pairs of my mates skis once each.
I'd presumed it was because I hadn't used a lube.
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marc gledhill, were they the old style DMT with dots on or the ones that have appeared recently with a stuck on diamond bit with a swirl style pattern (not sure if there were DMT or from somewhere else
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CEM, both Swix and Diaface/Moonflex now sell those.
marc gledhill, too much pressure?
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| CEM wrote: |
| marc gledhill, were they the old style DMT with dots on ...... |
They're the ones.
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| comprex wrote: |
| marc gledhill, too much pressure? |
Quite probably. How much should I use?
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My preference is for barely enough to assure consistent contact, say 2lbs for the 75mm stones working on side edges. 10 passes max then switch to the next finer grade. Water, isopropanol, window cleaner fluid, all seem to work well as cutting fluids.
If you feel you need more pressure, check
a) the angle is correct to the ski
b) that the plastic sidewall isn't in the way of the stone.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| comprex wrote: |
| marc gledhill, too much pressure? |
Quite probably. How much should I use? |
Hard to describe really. Firm enough so the stone/guide won't slip but not so hard that your finger tips hurt after a few passes.
The dot pattern DMT's are really soft, especially without cutting fluid & even worse if you always use them in the same position so that they're always cutting, or wearing, in the same spot.
Now that you've got a set of Moonflex's just go through the grades (leaving the black out if you're tuning regularly & there's no damage) by doing one return pass of overlapping foot long strokes & then one smooth continuous return stroke & then swap stones. It works for me.
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marc gledhill, I know it's been a few months since your initial post but I should hear from HM Customs & Excise whether my application for authorisation to purchase industrial denatured alcohol has been approved. Although the application is free you won't believe the bureaucracy that you have to go through to buy just a small quantity.
So hopefully I should be able to help you out in a few weeks time.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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spyderjon, had a chance to look at the Maplus stones?
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comprex, I've got a couple of samples coming from tools4boards. Have you used them? I'm a bit concerned about the 'paper backing' but I'll wait & see how they work & how long they last.
I don't know where they're made but if they're US produced they'd probably end up being expensive in the UK as punters over here usually have to buy in GBP what you pay in $  .
Commercially I've got a great deal on the superb Moonflex's as they're made in the EU (already sold some to the US) & Maplus will have a hard job surpassing the Moonflex's durability.
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You know it makes sense.
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That's going to be one spoilt fleabayseller if we don't stop thinking alike.
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FAQ
) is to buy some Secret Sauce from SVST - & while you're at it get a set of Moonflexes stones to replace them dodgy DMT's 
