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Wow: Drinking on the piste ‘injures 1,000 British skiers a day’

So say "Direct Line" after analysing claims data. http://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/351359/drinking-on-the-piste-injures-1000-british-skiers-a-day

It's good to read that snowboarders aren't guilty of the same foolishness Toofy Grin
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Would be great to see it as % of total British skiers and then compared to other nationalities.

Do you reckon the Brits would take the crown?
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Quote: "A third of people said alcohol gave them more confidence on the slopes and made them a better skier."
I well remember when drink-driving legislation was tightened up, many saying similar: that they were better drivers after a drink or two.
So it goes
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Jonpim wrote:
Quote: "A third of people said alcohol gave them more confidence on the slopes and made them a better skier."
I well remember when drink-driving legislation was tightened up, many saying similar: that they were better drivers after a drink or two.
So it goes


Back in the 80`s I taught my mother to drive, she was incredibly nervous, and without any doubt whatsoever she was a better driver after a drink than she was without a drink. I`m not talking about enough to put her over the drink drive limit, but just enough to calm her nerves. We often forget that there is a fine balance when considering the benefits/risks of having a drink.
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BoardieK wrote:


It's good to read that snowboarders aren't guilty of the same foolishness Toofy Grin


I'm sure we'll be blamed anyway... "I only downed my glass in one gulp because all the bloody snowboarders were sitting on the seats..."
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BoardieK wrote:


It's good to read that snowboarders aren't guilty of the same foolishness Toofy Grin


I'm sure we'll be blamed anyway... "I only downed my glass in one gulp because all the bloody snowboarders were sitting on the seats..."


Surely all the snowboarders are sitting in the middle of the piste (usually just over a crest). Toofy Grin
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A couple of friends and I accidentally ran an experiment a few years ago. We were in Verbier, wanted lunch, and had to make sure one of the girls got to a specific spot at a specific time after lunch for paragliding. So we did a particular run 3 times in succession so we knew how long it would take us, and exactly where we were going (and to stay in the right area). We then stopped for lunch at the top, and split a bottle of wine between the 3 of us, thinking that would have little-to-no effect each.

We did the exact same run after and were all shocked at how much slower our reactions were, and that our balance was noticeably off (though we could still ski). None of us felt even a little tipsy - but our skiing was affected. I've not had a drink while skiing since (apart from an occasional one at Folie Douce at end of day Toofy Grin though I mostly stick to soft drinks even then).

I still occasionally drink a bit more in the evenings Smile Embarassed Laughing
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Just found out the Foreign Office run a but of anti drink and ski campaign a few years back...

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I don’t think there is any fine line whatsoever to consider when it comes to drink driving. Drinking impairs your judgement and cognitive skills. End of.
If you are too anxious to drive without a drink then you need to work on your anxiety. Or use public transport
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Sorry but the report as published is very poor.

First of all it mentions that on average 50,000 British skiers break a bone and 40,000 tear a ligament every year due to consumption of alcohol. For some reason it doesn’t say how many are injured who do not consume alcohol even though it must have those figures. My first reaction is why hide the figures unless they disagree with your hypothesis.

It states that 1000 British skiers a day are injured due to consuming alcohol . Assuming that is for a 140 day season that is 140,000 a year and 700,000 over 5 years which is roughly the same as the 1,100,000 who appear to have been injured and under the influence of alcohol. There must be some double counting somewhere - ie sprains and cuts and bruises from the same incident. It also appears that one person in 6 of the British population has been injured and under the influence of alcohol while skiing in the last 5 years.

The article implies that skiers "When travelling at 60 miles per hour, it only takes a split second to make a mistake which could cause a serious injury to either yourself or someone else on the slopes.” That is almost 100kph. I doubt if any skiers reach that speed very often. I have never got anywhere near it. (Actually the highest speed I recorded on my phone while skiing was over 1000 kph)

There is no mention of the source of the data.

I think we should ask more or less to check the numbers
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our ski routes are planned on stop off routes. 6pints & its time to hit the ski road back down.
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TommyJ wrote:
I don’t think there is any fine line whatsoever to consider when it comes to drink driving. Drinking impairs your judgement and cognitive skills. End of.
If you are too anxious to drive without a drink then you need to work on your anxiety. Or use public transport


I think we have to agree to differ. People are often prescribed medication for anxiety, its not an absolute black and white situation.
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I am wondering on what basis Direct Line collected the information that claimants had been drinking alcohol and if any claim is rejected on the grounds that the claimant has acted recklessly by drinking. As far as I can tell, there is no mention of alcohol in policy documents. Perhaps there should be.
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Horses for courses I think.

We are in the habit of having a picnic lunch on the lads’ trip if the weather is nice. It’s pleasant, saves Euro25 per person and we get to sit in the sun away from the hordes and enjoy the view.

The format doesn’t change much. Between 5 we might have 5 small (25cl) beers, a litre of red wine (decanted into a plastic water bottle), couple of litres of water, 3 baguettes, ham, cheese, cornichons, couple of big bags of crisps etc etc. Load into two backpacks, leave in the car, two ski down and pick them up then rendezvous in a nice pre-agreed spot.

One year we had my son with us. Stopped for lunch, demolished above picnic and thought, around 15:30, that we had better head down. Two had already set off. I looked at Guy (both of us in our 50s) and thought “hmm, a beer and a couple of glasses of wine, feeling mellow, probably best to take it nice and steady, no need to try to catch up” expressed that view and we agreed to pootle down together. My son (mid-twenties, impetuousness of youth) was having none of it and set off going for his best carved turns. The last bit of the run down to the Cret Beni side of La Chapelle d’Abondance is a nice steepish red run and was in decent nick. Perfect for getting a bit of a crack on and practicing those carves. You know how this one ends!

Son was going like a good ‘un until he got one turn wrong and went for a full on yard sale, poles, skis the works and at least 50m flat on his back head first. Stood up to cheers from the chairlift alongside. No damage fortunately. Guy and I pootled down collecting the spilt gear.

Three people had the same lunch, skied the same run under the same conditions, only one had a huge crash. Answer of course is to use a bit of common sense (thing is it’s not always that common amongst the youngsters).
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@johnE, Quite the numbers don't seem credible to me. & who on earth is reporting that they are pished when making an insurance claim anyway given the risk that your claim is rejected? Some mighty extrapolation going on. Having a glass of wine or beer with lunch is barely causing "due to consumption of alcohol" anyway, though these days I rarely do that - just feel knackered when I exercise on top of any booze.
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How many of those were on the stairs in ski boots going down to the toilets....
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Aaarrgghh!
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@johnE, 1000 kph? Were you strapped to a jet plane at the time?
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@Oitbc, No it was just an error with the gps. I just bring it up when anyone starts taking about their maximum speed that day/ever. It kills the conversation.

@Dave of the Marmottes, Since they don't tell us where the data came from we can only speculate. I think they just made it up.
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If 140000 skiers are injured every year that's about 9% of all skiers from Britain. https://lhm-marketing.com/en/uk-ski-market-how-many-brits/.

Most policies already don't cover you for drinking and skiing so I am guessing the objective from DL is make it more widely known as I bet they get lots of claims they reject on these grounds which is bad for their reputation.
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Austria.

Law...Its is illegal to be intoxicated on public pistes ....

Therefore stay off piste (out of a controlled ski area) and have good rescue insurance !!
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@stanton, The law is England is stricter

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/35-36/94/section/12/1991-02-01?timeline=true

You cannot just sneak of the piste
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@Spin Doctor, "If 140000 skiers are injured every year" and under the influence of alcohol, which according to the original article is only 2/3 of the skiing population. There must be some people injured who are not under the influence of alcohol as well

Even so 9% of skiers having an accident strikes me as a very high proportion.
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@johnE, agree think it's dangly bits. The million £ question is how many people who were injured were over the drink drive limit... I believe I am quite capable of skiing safely after a glass of wine / pint at lunch. If I had a spill after lunch, having had a glass of wine, and someone recorded that as an accident because of the wine I would be v pissed off...
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The million £ question is how many people who were injured were over the drink drive limit

But which drink drive limit?
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If I had a spill after lunch, having had a glass of wine, and someone recorded that as an accident because of the wine I would be v pissed off...

Especially if you were hit from behind.
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@johnE, agree think it's dangly bits. The million £ question is how many people who were injured were over the drink drive limit... I believe I am quite capable of skiing safely after a glass of wine / pint at lunch. If I had a spill after lunch, having had a glass of wine, and someone recorded that as an accident because of the wine I would be v pissed off...


There are many, many epidemiological and experimental/simulator tests done on alcohol levels - and sadly what the person believes is not often reflected in the data.

As with others, not impressed with DirectLine's survey.
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Law...Its is illegal to be intoxicated on public pistes ....

Therefore stay off piste (out of a controlled ski area) and have good rescue insurance !!


UK law is illegal to be intoxicated in public. Pissed on the piste or pissed on the streets.
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@stanton, not been in St Anton at chucking out time for the KK / Mooser?


http://youtube.com/v/b8s8VsOvKUk
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johnE wrote:
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The million £ question is how many people who were injured were over the drink drive limit

But which drink drive limit?
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If I had a spill after lunch, having had a glass of wine, and someone recorded that as an accident because of the wine I would be v pissed off...

Especially if you were hit from behind.


Thats just it!!! What if any incident was your fault? You had an accident because you skied whilst suffering from a cold, or from having a 'dicky' tummy from last nights kebab! There must be an application of common sense in the way we live our lives and the way its perceived!
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@johnE, you are right - there are different limits. The DL piece is even crappier than I thought. It is based on putting people in a simulator sober, then plying them with alcohol, and then getting them to do it again.

Quoting the independent article:

"For example, experiment participants who had consumed three units spent 53 per cent more time veering off piste than their sober counterparts." On a simulator. Erm... I have never veered off piste because I have been drinking in real life.

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“Our practical experiment showed how just a small amount of alcohol can affect decision making. When travelling at 60 miles per hour, it only takes a split second to make a mistake which could cause a serious injury to either yourself or someone else on the slopes." Erm... the vast majority of people only reach 60mph on a ski holiday in the car on the way to the resort.

I am afraid this story is the worst kind of made-up non-scientific PR nonsense...
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@munich_irish, My first week snowboarding I ended up with friends in the Krazy Kangaroo on the evening of Day 3. Did drink a few, and then got escorted down the hill very very carefully.

As they put it: "You won't be nervous, so you'll relax, commit to all the right movements and do the best snowboarding you've ever done. Until you crash and injure yourself."

I wouldn't repeat that now.

Drink? Yes.

Drunk? No.
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BoardieK wrote:
Wow: Drinking on the piste ‘injures 1,000 British skiers a day’..
Presumably that's why they ware helmets.


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They seem to be coming out of the Mooser while its still light ...
That is unusual ... perhaps its April?

@BigSouthernJesse I've got my own story to tell about the Krazy Kangaroo ... but I'm not going to put it on here.
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I never drink until I'm done. Never mind the law, its just common sense: you can't ski right when you're drinking, and you can't drink right when you're skiing.
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Similar article in the Indie https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ski-holiday-injuries-drinking-alcohol-slopes-british-insurance-a9232156.html makes it clear that this is (over?) extrapolation from a survey of only 2000 holidaymakers.

Combined with an experiment on how alcohol affects skiing ability. Shouldn't be surprising to find that it has a similar impact to the effect on driving ability.
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When I’ve been mountain biking at Bike Park Wales (which is pay to ride and has an uplift facility) you have to hand back your pass to buy a beer.
I imagine they’d be uproar if they tried similar in a ski resort!!!
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Crap science followed by poor journalism.
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i always have a drink on the mountain, its one of lifes little pleasures, sitting outside a mountain restaurant, the sun is shining and you watch the world go by...lovely
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Unfortunately it's indisputable that even one drink affects your reactions and peripheral vision*. Crowded piste with skiers coming in from left and right + alcohol = not a good idea.

*Saw a program on BBC once where they put up a bollard slalom course on an airfield. Drivers almost all got round it without hitting anything and also managed to react to the surprise coming from the right. One standard vodka later nearly all of them took out some bollards, and did not see the surprise coming. After three vodkas it was chaos!
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@Steilhang, that well known and totally scientific trial? And how can it possibly affect your peripheral vision?

I saw a BBC scientific study where they fed volunteers large glasses of water with vodka wiped round the rim and small glasses of actual vodka.

Guess which cohort* performed worst?

(*up to a certain point)
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Steilhang wrote:
Unfortunately it's indisputable that even one drink affects your reactions and peripheral vision*. Crowded piste with skiers coming in from left and right + alcohol = not a good idea


What about empty piste? I enjoyed at Alleghe being able to have a pint (or bombardino) at the top of the hill when the lifts were closed, then ski down the empty runs.
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