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On the rocks wrote:
I'm wondering how the Reps' social skiing days will work? Will they be categorised by skier ability or fitness? Will this be by Freshtracks grading? What if you don’t have one or it is very out of date or you are "self assessed"? If the Rep is not happy about a skiers ability does, or can he ask a skier to leave the group? Or does the Rep leave the group instead? On an Instructor Led Guiding day the guide will often set a simple test early on to confirm ability, I’m assuming the Rep won’t be authorised to do this? I fear that despite not wearing the blue jacket many members will ask “but what do you think...” putting him/her in a difficult position as a de-facto guide.


As the SCGB has stated that the Rep will have no role as a de-facto guide and will merely be one member skiing with a group of other members than it's no different to a group of any other skiers coming together at the start of the day to go off skiing somewhere together (like on a snowHeads Bash snowHead ). If one or more skiers in the group are unhappy with a destination or route then they are entirely free to leave the group at any point, it's their choice. I definitely don't think it's for the Rep to ask anyone to leave the group, that would put them in a leadership role. On the other hand as you suggest the Rep (like any other member) is free to leave the group. Madeye-Smiley
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On the rocks wrote:
I'm wondering how the Reps' social skiing days will work? Will they be categorised by skier ability or fitness? Will this be by Freshtracks grading? What if you don’t have one or it is very out of date or you are "self assessed"? If the Rep is not happy about a skiers ability does, or can he ask a skier to leave the group? Or does the Rep leave the group instead? On an Instructor Led Guiding day the guide will often set a simple test early on to confirm ability, I’m assuming the Rep won’t be authorised to do this? I fear that despite not wearing the blue jacket many members will ask “but what do you think...” putting him/her in a difficult position as a de-facto guide.


It’s not the reps’ day but the members’ and the rep is merely joining as a fellow member.
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@Alastair Pink and Gerry,
Yes I know that's the plan, but I can't help thinking the members will be expecting something different for their subs
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On the rocks wrote:
@Alastair Pink and Gerry,
Yes I know that's the plan, but I can't help thinking the members will be expecting something different for their subs


I won’t argue with you on that one.
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Not really sure what I will be getting for my subs. I originally joined so that I could ski with the leader when travelling to Austria with my non-skiing wife and that turned out well. Amazed me that most of the Leaders were based in Switzerland - who can afford a holiday there anymore!

I have used the ILG once this year in Val Thorens (exceptional) and have planned to do so again next March in Tignes. However if I decide to do a Snoworks week I think I will probably not re-subscribe. Not completely ruled out a Freshtracks holiday but not cheap (why subsidise the leader who come along?).

The website used to be informative but is now poor. There are some discounts to be had but I found crystal refused my this year as not travelling on a TUI plane
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I fear that despite not wearing the blue jacket many members will ask “but what do you think...” putting him/her in a difficult position as a de-facto guide.

Yes. If and when there is a bad accident you can bet your life that the collective shaky fingers will start pointing at the hapless rep when the authorities turn up.

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not for profit

I never understand that when I see organisations use it. It seems to get used as a "go easy on us we're practically a charity". In business you have to try and make a profit or it isn't long before you are technically insolvent. You'd see a lot more philanthropy from the Club if they really existed for the common good beyond just their members. Then more people might sign up for a reason other than the in resort on mountain stuff.

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The website used to be informative but is now poor.

It really is poor. It looks unloved. Where's the news? The editorial? The offers? The buzz? It should be simply brimming over with stuff that would interest members and general skiers alike. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
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Pruman wrote:

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not for profit

I never understand that when I see organisations use it. It seems to get used as a "go easy on us we're practically a charity". In business you have to try and make a profit or it isn't long before you are technically insolvent. You'd see a lot more philanthropy from the Club if they really existed for the common good beyond just their members. Then more people might sign up for a reason other than the in resort on mountain stuff.

Why "beyond" the interest of the members?

Almost any "club" are all about its members. It's a collective, and nothing more.
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Gerry wrote:
Davina Goldballs wrote:


Personally, as a scribbler with a 43-years reputation (of sorts) in ski magazines and other media, I prefer to write under my own identity, 'raising reasonable and responsible questions'. The important thing is to offer a right of response (and social media is absolutely perfect for that). Some of the above was covered in this posting, almost 4 years ago ...



Yeah, there's nothing you like better than to gather together a partisan audience, tell lies about someone or an organisation then 'invite' them to respond. The sort of people who belive what you say are as fundamentally dishonest as you are.


Bearing in mind that I have a track record of delivering honest factual journalism for the Ski Club of Great Britain for six successive editors, over a period of some 30 years from 1976, it's laughably idiotic of you to accuse me of being a fundamentally dishonest liar.

Back in 2015, when you were approaching 7 years service as a SCGB director you were asked 10 questions concerning the Club's finances and activities ...

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TEN QUESTIONS FOR GERRY AITKEN

1. GA stated the case for increased SCGB representation in the mountains in his inaugural electoral address to SCGB members in 2005, as a route to increased membership. Has this recruitment resulted? Recent SCGB membership figures appear to be faked at “29,000”, “30,000” etc. The clear statistical evidence prior to 2005 was that the more the SCGB spent on repping, the fewer the new members recruited in the mountains (a fall of over 70% in annual new member recruitment by reps, over 19 years from 1992 (1108 new members) to 2011 (229 new members) - against a huge increase in expenditure). The figure for 2005 (which GA could have used as a benchmark) was 699 new members.
2. New media. Gerry Aitken was chairman of the New Media Task Group, and the SCGB was reportedly investing £100,000 p.a. in website improvements. Was this money productively spent?
3. Social media. The SCGB's public chat forum, following its 9-year shut down from 2004, has extremely low traffic - compared to its huge success in 2002-4. Was GA a supporter of excluding the public, or an opponent? What work has he done to restore the SCGB's vital need for popularity in social media? The open public forum was enormously popular – thousands of participants, hundreds of postings daily - and cost the Club virtually nothing to operate.
4. News coverage. GA personally promised in 2006, as chairman of the New Media Task Group, that the SCGB would have the best news generation in the UK. This has not materialised. Is there a reason for this?
5. Verbier Challenge Cup. A SCGB event which GA helped organise. This, and the more famous Luttmann Johnson SCGB race in Zermatt, have vanished. Given these cuts, the slump in new member recruitment, the withdrawal of SCGB reps from proficiency-testing of skiers, the obsolescence of the SCGB snow reporting, how is the huge cost of SCGB repping justified? Especially the cost of SCGB ‘ambassadors’ in France?
6. The SCGB Environmental Fund. As things stand, c.£60,000 of this c.£100,000 fund is unaccounted for. Concerns have been expressed (since 2006) about the administration of this fund and the absence of annual accounting. This matter has been raised time and time again. What has GA personally done about this?
7. Vanessa Mae is the cover star of the current issue of the SCGB magazine. GA defended this, on the basis that the FIS/IOC did not know about her misdemeanours (faked race results) prior to the Sochi Olympics. But the SCGB magazine was worked on 6 months after those Olympics, and well after Mae was under investigation. Does GA concede that a publishing/editorial error was made here?
8. False snow reports repeatedly published for Scottish ski areas – wrong snow depths, apparently guessed – and mountains repeatedly reported “closed” all weekend, when they are open. This has continued over 3 seasons to 2014-5. What is GA’s position on this?
9. The SCGB’s long history of promoting or directly selling ski helmets, based on false information about head injuries, and its recent statement that everyone should be wearing helmets. What is GA's position on helmets, and what truths the SCGB should be saying to skiers?
10. The array of false audience information – statistics – published to sell Ski Club TV video advertising [“Ski TV is watched by 33,500 subscribers”, Nov 2011], SCGB magazine advertising (incorrect ABC audit data recently published) and website advertising [“2 million unique users per annum” – 2013 SCGB media pack] and so on. Does GA have a position on the SCGB's trading standards/ethics?

Source: https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=94856&start=3800#2673652

I don't recall you addressing a single one of those questions, but you're welcome to have a pop now.
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Bearing in mind that I have a track record of delivering honest factual journalism for the Ski Club of Great Britain for six successive editors, over a period of some 30 years from 1976, it's laughably idiotic of you to accuse me of being a fundamentally dishonest liar.



I find the most interesting point of your post, is that you make it clear that whilst working for the ski club, you were guided, managed and ultimately controlled by those six editors who would have had final say over any article you produced.

It's when you do not have that sort of control that I find you cannot be trusted.
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richjp wrote:

I find the most interesting point of your post, is that you make it clear that whilst working for the ski club, you were guided, managed and ultimately controlled by those six editors who would have had final say over any article you produced.

It's when you do not have that sort of control that I find you cannot be trusted.


Where you place your trust is obviously your prerogative.

Here's a triple update ... obviously not to be trusted ...

"SKI CLUB OF GB CEO 'BOOMERANGS' TO LONDON BUS TOUR CO."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/325182624251298/permalink/1861738897262322/

SCGB STRATEGY ...
"Chief Executive Officer Vacancy"
https://www.skiclub.co.uk/about-the-ski-club/jobs/chief-executive-officer-vacancy

BEARING IN MIND ...
https://www.planetski.eu/news/11899
"The Ski Club itself is at a crossroads and some even question its relevance.
It's former CEO, Darren Neylon, resigned at the end of April after just over a year in the job.
A search for his successor is underway and we understand the first round of interviews took place last week." [24-28 June 2019]
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