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Dolomites 2019/20 News Unofficial Thread

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Hi,
Can any of the dolomiti locals shed any light on this?
Is this new news, old news or pie in the sky news?

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/01/10/news/le_dolomiti_in_seggiovia_o_sugli_sci_parte_il_progetto_del_grande_carosello_-245352320/
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choucas wrote:
Quick question: Is it possible to ski from the top of Lezuo lift (#124) to the top of the Col di Rossi -- Alba lift (#130)? I tried one time but could not figure it out. It looks like you can on the trail map but I ended up skiing down to the Pecol -- Col di Rossi lift (#102) to get there.

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No -- It is uphill from the nearest chair ; the only way is take the Pecol-Col Rossi lift :: or You could take the Kristiania chair and walk uphill
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Thanks. After closer examination of the trail map, I figured that that was the case.
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Snow cover and conditions generally good on piste. Poor off piste, as no significant new snow since before Christmas.

Welcome forecast of a top up 18-19 January. Pics from last 2 days in Val Di Fassa-Carezza and Alta Badia sectors, SW and NE parts of Sella Ronda circuit respectively.

Should be able to give update from Kronplatz later this week.

Mr Blue Sky out to play and temperatures ranging nicely between +2 and -7C.


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dhorst wrote:
Hi,
Can any of the dolomiti locals shed any light on this?
Is this new news, old news or pie in the sky news?

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/01/10/news/le_dolomiti_in_seggiovia_o_sugli_sci_parte_il_progetto_del_grande_carosello_-245352320/


Definately not new news and has been discussed on the skiforum.it site in the past year. Was reading the below article a few days ago:

https://www.skiforum.it/skinews/838-progetto-carosello-cortina-arabba-civetta.html
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Thanks Jimmybog. Did your wife confirm minibus pick up? Fearful we might be dropped in the middle of nowhere & be trying to hail a cab to get us to the airport. Not getting much joy from Cortina ExpresS
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@dhorst, @jimmybog, given the distance involved, costs and environmental impacts, surely this is pie in the sky? 5 Torri already basically links to the Sella Ronda (with a bus in one direction) and Civetta seem to have struggled to modernise their own lift system, let alone build a new series of long linking lifts.
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GingerWizard wrote:
Thanks Jimmybog. Did your wife confirm minibus pick up? Fearful we might be dropped in the middle of nowhere & be trying to hail a cab to get us to the airport. Not getting much joy from Cortina ExpresS


Sorry for not responding sooner. Wife definately remembers dropping people off near the motorway and is certain there was a minibus waiting to take the passengers to the airport. If Cortina Express aren't responding via email then I would call them just to be double certain. But I'm sure they wont just leave you stranded there!!
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denfinella wrote:
@dhorst, @jimmybog, given the distance involved, costs and environmental impacts, surely this is pie in the sky? 5 Torri already basically links to the Sella Ronda (with a bus in one direction) and Civetta seem to have struggled to modernise their own lift system, let alone build a new series of long linking lifts.


But is it pie in the sky? I'm sure Iv'e seen offical documents/plans on one of the forums regarding the new lift between Pocol and 5 Torri.

And with the 2021 World championships and 2026 WInter Olympics to be held in COrtina, this maybe something that could well happen.
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Just dug out a Cortina piste map that I picked up at 5 Torri last March. There is a dotted black line marked 'progetto' between Son dei Prade and Bai de Dones. Is this the proposed new link lift being discussed above?
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That lift between Pocol and 5 Torri is already in the OpenStreetMap maps (labelled as future project), so I guess it's fairly certain? (I guess it's documented on alpinforum or skiforum etc. somewhere)
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@jimmybog, sorry, I should have been clearer. The Cortina / Pocol to 5 Torri link looks likely to happen. The distance involved there is less, and it links two areas which are already on the same local lift pass.

It's the other two links - to Civetta and Arabba - which I think are pie in the sky.
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Whilst it is an interesting project from an engineering and ‘ski geek’ perspective, I would say it’s not necessary. There is already more than enough piste skiing in the Dolomites and it’s World Heritage designation should act as a constraint against more metalwork and earth moving. I would say that a more pressing priority is planning for climate change, post skiing.
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jimmybog wrote:
GingerWizard wrote:
Thanks Jimmybog. Did your wife confirm minibus pick up? Fearful we might be dropped in the middle of nowhere & be trying to hail a cab to get us to the airport. Not getting much joy from Cortina ExpresS


Sorry for not responding sooner. Wife definately remembers dropping people off near the motorway and is certain there was a minibus waiting to take the passengers to the airport. If Cortina Express aren't responding via email then I would call them just to be double certain. But I'm sure they wont just leave you stranded there!!


I've taken the Cortina Express a few times in the last few years and I don't remember a minibus at the Treviso stop. It's out of tiown next to the Italian version of B&Q.

Also, Cortina Express are rubbish at responding via email. I've never managed to get a reply out of them whenever I've emailed about next season's timetable.
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@Peter S, Killjoy!

I agree regarding more pisting etc.

Actually with so much snowmaking the Dolomites are probably on the forefront of climate change preparedness, tho not in the way you mean. Some of those lower villages will have to figure something else out.
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denfinella wrote:
@jimmybog, sorry, I should have been clearer. The Cortina / Pocol to 5 Torri link looks likely to happen. The distance involved there is less, and it links two areas which are already on the same local lift pass.

It's the other two links - to Civetta and Arabba - which I think are pie in the sky.


It will be interesting to see what actually happens with the Civetta and Arraba plans.

In fact looking at the Arraba proposal again, (and bearing in mind that the image in the link I posted is just a guestimate of where the new slopes/lifts would be), it would actually be a link to ALta badia rather than direct to Arraba. One of the lifts/slopes starts/ends at the bottom of the Vizza and Maserai chairs beneath MOnte Cherz and Pralongia.

I can sort of see the logic in this if you really wanted to go onto the Sella Ronda from Cortina by bypassing the Lagazuoi/San Cassiano route; but it would still be a hell of a trek from Cortina. You'd think by the time you got to the Ronda above Campolongo, it would be too late to actually do the route and then get back to Cortina.
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Here's a vote for the 5 Torri-Pocol lift. Seems obvious and overdue.
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Thanks for advice on Cortina Express. Will book a taxi to meet us at the drop off point
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GingerWizard wrote:
Thanks for advice on Cortina Express. Will book a taxi to meet us at the drop off point


Ginger, investigating this a bit more and it does seem as if I am wrong about a connecting mini bus. Looks like from the Cortian express stop, you need to take bus 3 to the centre and then bus 6 to the airport. Your option of booking a taxi looks to be the best way though. So Apologies for my original replies. We last used the service a few years ago and I'm sure there was a mini bus connection to get to the airport.
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Feasability study to begin re proposals to link Santa Magdalena in Val Di Funes to the Seceda area:

https://jimdo-storage.global.ssl.fastly.net/file/7c88e626-5cdb-48ff-b377-b9ab35c02ea6/Machbarkeitsstudie%20VILLN%C3%B4SS-SECEDA_Profanter.pdf
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Counting down the hours now! Getting out to the Dolomites for the first time on Saturday! Looking forward to hitting the pistes and sampling the italian hospitality!
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@Fridge03, Trip report, please ! I’m off to the same hotel as you the week after......
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@Fridge03, Trip report, please ! I’m off to the same hotel as you the week after......


Don't worry. I will be doing one. May do a live one if I have the time in the evenings to type up my ramblings. From reading the trip advisor reviews, it seems to be in general good stuff!
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@Fridge03, Much obliged. Also keen to know any decent Aprés you find - nothing too heavy, just anywhere with a lively buzz to it would be nice. Very Happy
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Early news for next season for Alta Badia. Looks like the following chair upgrades have been confirmed:

COSTORATTA 8-seater chairlift
8-seater chairlift SODLISIA

Should help people doing the Sella Ronda anti clockwise.
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"..8-seater chairlift SODLISIA.." Hurrah !!
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Will be in San Martino di Castrozza, Canazei and Cortina end of February - March 12th. Anyone have any good resource for off piste routes off the Rosetta?
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Cant really help, but there are several threads on the forum that might give you some info - just to a search on - castrozza

Here are a couple of trip reports

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=124440&highlight=castrozza


https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=3381945&highlight=castrozza#3381945
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Some photos and a vid from our week blasting round the Sella Ronda! Can we go back yet? Very Happy


http://youtube.com/v/SxnrN9cZyVQ








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@Fridge03, how does it rank against Paradiski, 3V, Saal-H overall for you?
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Good to hear about the Sodlisia upgrades, although since the change to Borest end station, the queues are nothing like they used to be (at least during the BB week, might be worse during holidays). Sliding off the old Borest chair right in to the back of the Sodlisia chair queue was a major problem. Now all the Borest to Edelweiss traffic walks across from one gondola to the other, missing out Sodlisia, so it only gets beginners lapping the chair and Sella Ronda traffic, and it's all dispersed a bit.
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@Fridge03, how does it rank against Paradiski, 3V, Saal-H overall for you?


It's hard to compare as I have loved all those areas but for different reasons.

For out and out skiing, various terrain, etc then the 3V can't be beat. But you have to accept the prices and sometimes how busy it can get at bottlenecks.

The Paradiski I really enjoyed but I didn't get the most out of the area as we were in lessons every morning so still have areas to explore. But at the time the cruisy blues and reds were exactly what we needed.

Saalbach was our first Austrian trip as well as our first March ski trip. I loved the relaxed atmosphere, prices and it was a great ski area. We loved sitting out on the sun terraces in deck chairs even if that meant that the lower runs were getting slushy in the afternoons.

As for the Dolomites, I'm a sucker for scenery and whilst the French/Austrian alps are beautiful, the Dollies are a different level. I feel most my falls where because I was looking at something pretty (and nothing to do with skill levels... Very Happy ). I would say you get the best bits of other places...so the varied terrain and runs of the 3V with the prices and laid back attitude of Saalbach. When we go back, I'd base us in Selva or somewhere in the Alta Badia. Feels like there is more skiing that side that suits us more. The only downside was I like big vertical. Going right up to the top of somewhere and skiing down (not necessarily on 1 run). This trip did feel like we spent more time on lifts than we have done elsewhere.

We have only been skiing since 2016 (first trip was L2A followed by Montgenevre) so we are still learning and finding what suits us most. So this week in the Dolomites was our 6th full week on the slopes.
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Potential new project to replace the 2 seater Monte Pana chair in St Christina with a funicular railway. For some bizzare reason I though they already upgraded this chair, but doesn't look like it has!!

https://www.rainews.it/tgr/trail/video/2020/02/tra-Monte-Pana-30b92f2f-56b9-412a-a924-0b87afa04dbd.html?fbclid=IwAR3XMqe2ovdzzrU6iRU4ZvG5kCJ9pha29axjjkkHD-rzfdbMKDO0ouw6bd0
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@PeakyB, Better scenery than all the above. Better prices than big name French resorts. More refined food than Austria (and actually France too). Much better coffee than all mentioned! The skiing lacks really hard slopes, the conditions on piste are usually fine (they do better piste management, having less natural snow) so less icy patches and moguls (I kinda like moguls....). Not as expansive skiing as the 3v and going up the Marmolada takes a fair chunk of time (spent on lifts)
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@Fridge03, @sugardaddy,

Yes I agree with your summaries, comparisons and contrasts with those big circuit French areas. I’m a bit out of date with Austria but Kronplatz and the area around Ortisei had a very Austrian feel to them anyway I thought, being part of the Tirol.

I didn’t measure the vertical drop the day we skied around Seceda but one run felt like it went on forever. Similarly a black piste down to Pozza I think (Olympic?) was long by most European standards.

My personal favourite for getting the adrenaline going is still Val D’Isere/Tignes. But the Dolomiti ski area has an overall ambience that is difficult to beat. 3V for me comes a close third, though I know it’s significantly bigger than Val D/Tignes.

I know what you mean about Alta Badia and Selva being a good base and have often thought the same. However on my 2 trips this season, mid Jan and early Feb, snow conditions were consistently better in the Val Di Fassa sector I thought. Coupled with the pistes there being much quieter than Selva/Corvara/San Cassiano it changed my mind somewhat.

I have a soft spot for Arabba as a base though and it’s well positioned to strike off in either direction. Although it was a heavy day, we managed Santa Croce and the Marmolada glacier from Arabba and still had time for lunch and a drinks stop.

Also managed to get first visits in to Kronplatz, St Cristina and Alpe de Suisi, all of which I enjoyed for different reasons.

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