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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Style Outmoded word and has no place in modern skiing.
I agree absolutley with Kramer and Ise about the percentage of peeps on black runs. Too many out of control - twisting your skis frm side to side and sideslipping violently in each direction in turn is not "linking parallel turns"! I never ski the Combe Valentin after 3.30 in the afternoon (unless the weather's terrible) as I reckon there's too much danger to my life!!
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easiski, style has a perfectly valid sartorial place in skiing. The problem is that it rarely appears what with everyone wearing black ski trousers. Actually though, I have to say that I IMHO reckon good French (and Canadian) skiers are more stylish than good Swiss (or US) ones. Don't know enough Austrians to comment and as for the Italians?
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Last week I shared a lift with a very friendly pensioner from Vancouver. He wore a lurid shiny purple all-in one with green boots (honestly!) and, in my opionio, he had great style.
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easiski, Now, you realise I'm criticising black itself, just the lack of alternatives. The Danes are very stylish though, although their country is a little flat.
Anyway - doesn't style follow function?
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easiski wrote: |
... and sideslipping violently in each direction in turn is not "linking parallel turns" |
Could you please explain violent slideslipping in more detail? Many times I have seen people zigzigging down steeper slopes, the whole while they look unsteady, unbalanced and unhappy. They do a very tight turn, jam in their edges and do a long traverse. Then they repeat in the other direction.
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Adrian, I sort of pictured the frequently seen panic turn followed by jamming on the sideslip brakes, with far more metres of vertical descended than piste traversed in between each turn! The equivalent of the sideways-on boarder descending whole steep sections without a single turn, pushing several cubic metres of snow before him.
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That's what I had in mind too - and sometimes (I like to feel less frequently these days) it's me doing it!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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veeeight, isn't "style" exactly what you are looking at when you are watching your students, walk, click in etc? |
Definitely not.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'm quite frankly amazed that anyone would classify themselves as an "advanced intermediate" after one week's skiing... especially the brits I've seen who claim to have skiied 6 weeks or more in Europe and still throw themselves around the turn using their shoulders...
I'm happy to ski anything thrown at me... but not always with grace or style (or purple all in one!) but I know I'm far, far, FAR from being expert when I see the local Canadians taking a mogul field like it's a groomed green!
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Does anyone really call themselves advanced intermediate that quickly? I've never known any of my mates to try it? Although possibly that because I always call myself a lower intermediate aj xx
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Poster: A snowHead
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Alexandra, I agree that calling yourself an advanced intermediate after one week is not understanding skiing or a bit of a P*** take.
That is down to the indiviual, I do not think that you can tar all "brits" with the same brush.
Just the same way eveyone can drive a car, some better than other and some who think thay are better than they really are.
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I think the best one is to ask your instructor to tell you what level you are - more likely to get a closer to honest answer from them.
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Especially if your instructor is Easiski!
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My last instructor said to come next year and go heliskiing - don't trust them!
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Just come to the EoSB and get an assessment from your fellow snowHeads!
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TallTone wrote: |
Just come to the EoSB and get an assessment from your fellow snowHeads! |
me shakes with fear. it would be like throwing raw meat into a pool of sharks.
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Nick_C, the only assessing I'm likely to do is of other snowHeads' computer problems
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for best effect swear constantly as you slip down the hill
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ajhainey, personally, I find that punctuating each turn with a pole plant and expletive makes scary icy slopes a whole lot easier to ski, and lends more weight to whatever your expletive of choice is. Even if the rest of the group are listening with disbelief and call you 'Little Miss Pottymouth' afterwards. It beats quaking with fear and jibbering at the top of the slope. Suffice to say that I was 'skiing' (or surviving, anyway) conditions above my natural ability this year! Intermediate Advanced? I don't think so... Can we have a new catergory for Intermediate Intimidated?
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Adrian wrote: |
easiski wrote: |
... and sideslipping violently in each direction in turn is not "linking parallel turns" |
Could you please explain violent slideslipping in more detail? Many times I have seen people zigzigging down steeper slopes, the whole while they look unsteady, unbalanced and unhappy. They do a very tight turn, jam in their edges and do a long traverse. Then they repeat in the other direction. |
As already explained this "technique" involves a completely flat ski on a steep slope (ice is optional). The "skier" then flings their entire body around 180 deg until they're facing the other way. Their edges never touch the snow, they continue down the hill in a more or less vertical descent, merely changing the direction of their ski but never, never their direction of travel. This is normally completed at approx 40 kph.
To see this phenomenon at it's best, come to LDA in mid-winter and stand at the side of the Combe Valentin (black, cannoned and pisted daily) run back to town at any time in between 15.30 and 17.00 any day of the week except Saturday. You should, of course, also note the faces and jackets of the main exponents, who you'll then find later in many of the 70 bars and restaurants here telling all their friends how good they are and how they mastered the evil black or words to that effect.
Happily, as many Snowheads can attest, there are lots of much more pleasant (mostly unpisted by machine) ways down the mountain, which don't seem to attract these strange and dangerous creatures.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Stop the Brutel Grooming
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easiski wrote: |
Happily, as many Snowheads can attest, there are lots of much more pleasant (mostly unpisted by machine) ways down the mountain |
Ahhh. The thread comes full circle . Wasn't my original point that it's best not to ruin steep runs with this wretched machinery?
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You know it makes sense.
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Jonny Jones, Well we have an oddity here because many of our blacks are the last runs down to the resort. One (Combe Valentin) has connons and is pisted daily, Le Diable at the other end of resort is pisted every other day usually, and a third l'Y (pronounced eegreck) is pisted around twice a week. The rest of the face is left unpisted, however much of it is not on the map (although someimes is) is sometimes patrolled etc - get the picture. If it's icy ruts after a nice squelchy day it's exptremely unpleasant. The resort does not mark conditions on the day, and certainly does not take responsibility for people's accidents!
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Poster: A snowHead
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from memory that is how they say the name of the letter Y
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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eg in german I beileve it is called "ipsilon" (like the word epsilon in english)... could sing my abc in german but never in french so do not trust me but I think that is right...
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Thank you, easiski, for the description of "sideslipping violently". I apologise for not finding your original description.
If you omit the out of control and excessive speed parts of your description then it sounds rather like an edge control exercise I have been given. (I use an older style of skiing and do not use the modern extreme craving skis.) Slide slip down the fall line, turn with pole plant but without any forward or backward motion, continue slide slipping, repeat. Ie each turn is completed within the track that would have been made if the slide slip had been continued.
As to the people you describe, why do so many people waste perfectly good lift passes on lie-ins and hangovers? I guess they can be found at all ski resorts.
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"ipsilon" and "epsilon" are names of different Greek letters, see for example http://www.translexis.demon.co.uk/alphabet.htm
I think that "eegreck" is also a Greek letter, it may be an alternate name for "ipsilon", but on a quick web search I cannot find any definitions of "eegreck"
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Jonny Jones wrote: |
easiski wrote: |
Happily, as many Snowheads can attest, there are lots of much more pleasant (mostly unpisted by machine) ways down the mountain |
Ahhh. The thread comes full circle . Wasn't my original point that it's best not to ruin steep runs with this wretched machinery? |
There's something quite pleasant about skiing a really steep bit of corduroy though.
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Indeed, "eegreck" is how the french pronounce the letter "y" - literally translated, it's greek "i", as opposed to a "I", and it would be spelled "I grècque"
easiski wrote: |
As already explained this "technique" involves a completely flat ski on a steep slope (ice is optional). The "skier" then flings their entire body around 180 deg until they're facing the other way. Their edges never touch the snow, they continue down the hill in a more or less vertical descent, merely changing the direction of their ski but never, never their direction of travel. |
Well, on my Dave Murray Camp, we spent a few pistes practicing this technique - our instructor called it "Braquage", although I may have the spelling wrong. In essence, it's sideslipping but without traversing the slope - useful for just losing a little height in rocky areas etc was the reasoning, I think
*edited to add french pronunciation and spelling*
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nbt wrote: |
Well, on my Dave Murray Camp, we spent a few pistes practicing this technique - our instructor called it "Braquage", although I may have the spelling wrong. In essence, it's sideslipping but without traversing the slope - useful for just losing a little height in rocky areas etc was the reasoning, I think
*edited to add french pronunciation and spelling* |
A straight sideslip is also a quick & dirty way of checking your balance on your skis.
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I'm a bit fan of sideslipping when the going gets too tough and I want to be a yard or two below where I am. I use it a bit in steep bumps to deal with having put myself where I didn't want to be following a botched turn. I don't think I could manage easiski's sideslipping turn even if I wanted to, tough; it sounds far too energetic.
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richmond, it's possible to do something similar but with a little less flinging - provided you can cope with a moment in the fall line...
From the sideslip, roll the skis flat and lean forward very slightly. Keep the skis flat and twist them slightly, then go into a gentle hockey stop.
(OK, this description isn't the best, but it can be done without too much effort)
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Sounds like what I was taught as a "power slide", particularly for steep pitches - initiate the turn as usual, but somewhere past the fall line, rather than completing the carved turn, tip the skis onto their flats to change direction to move down instead of across the slope, thereby losing height, then engage the edge again as you want to make the next turn - good way of losing height and controlling speed, but takes some guts to start with. But hardly the flailing "fling yourself round 180 degrees" that Easiski was describing
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