 Poster: A snowHead
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PG, I suspect I'm a little faster than you, sport. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tim Brown, well I've got my flèche de vermeil (one short of the French ESF gold for skiing GS gates), so just how good is the mysterious Mr Brown, or is he all mouth? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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PG, I thought we were talking about off-piste. What are you like on bumps? You'd beat me through the gates for sure.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Fri 24-03-06 23:31; edited 2 times in total
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Oh f**k - and mine's bigger than yours! 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Been enjoying them greatly this season. Skied nothing else just yesterday in fact, and will be doing so again tomorrow morning.
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little tiger, oh I don't know, it can be fun! 
Back to the thread though, your comment about the advice from the Chamonix local echoes the sort of thing I hear right through the season from the Savoyards. I've got no qualms whatsoever saying that I have a huge amount to learn about the mountains. Any untrained, UK-based, two or three weeks a year skier who believes otherwise, is seriously deluding themselves. That's not my opinion, it's the unequivocal view of any lifelong mountain-dwelling guide, instructor or mountain rescuer you might care to ask.
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Would I accept a SCGB rep as being a qualification to ski off-piste? Not in a million. Would I ski OP with a SCGB rep? maybe, if I thought they could add something. I'd have to know them well and know what they could do, but straight out of the shop, I wouldn't expect to be any more clued up than the majority of people who do these type of things.
They might really know their stuff, they might not and being a SCGB rep wouldn't change that one bit.
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| PG wrote: |
little tiger, oh I don't know, it can be fun!
Back to the thread though, your comment about the advice from the Chamonix local echoes the sort of thing I hear right through the season from the Savoyards. I've got no qualms whatsoever saying that I have a huge amount to learn about the mountains. Any untrained, UK-based, two or three weeks a year skier who believes otherwise, is seriously deluding themselves. That's not my opinion, it's the unequivocal view of any lifelong mountain-dwelling guide, instructor or mountain rescuer you might care to ask. |
yep - baby brother hauled enough butts out of and off mountains to read the riot act to most of his friends and relations re mountains.....
Funnily enough I have offers galore from qualified guides to take me with them - they all know that I won't be taking myself out there.... these guys are the first to push me to ski the in resort off-piste as much as possible (they know it is patrolled) and to do the front country as often as it is safe with experienced helpers etc... but they do not want me back-country unless I am with someone who knows their stuff VERY well... and as i said - our mountains have relatively low avy risk... it is all the other stuff that is an issue as well...
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edsilva, May I suggest a trip to Baqueira Beret with Ski Miquel, the resort is "advised" by intrawest and i the only european resort I know to have the idea of "in-bounds" and "out-of-bounds" skiing rather than just "on-piste" and "off-piste"
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| nbt wrote: |
| the only european resort I know to have the idea of "in-bounds" and "out-of-bounds" skiing rather than just "on-piste" and "off-piste" |
Tignes has recently (this season?) introduced a secured "in-bounds" zone.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rob@rar.org.uk, yes I noticed that last season.
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rob@rar.org.uk, last season they had some pistses that were never pisted but still avalanche controlled and patrolled - but as I understand it, the whole doman at baqueira works that way. It's a few years since I was there though (5 - goshm, I must go back soon!)
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You know it makes sense.
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| rob@rar.org.uk, last season they had some pistses that were never pisted but still avalanche controlled and patrolled - but as I understand it, the whole doman at baqueira works that way. It's a few years since I was there though (5 - goshm, I must go back soon!) |
I'd like to see more of that, but I think that the size of some of the larger ski domains makes it impossible. I wonder if some of the smaller European ski stations would see it worthwhile investing in more "in-bounds" areas?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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rob@rar.org.uk, But what is meant by "inbounds"? We have a huge area of off piste skiing that's avalanche controlled, but it's not patrolled - does that count? I had spotted Tignes' area on their map last year, however it's quite small and must get tracked out within a couple of hours at best.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Would "inbounds" be like the Itineraires (sp?) i.e. largely unpisted and unmarked except for a general direction pointer?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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nope, inbounds is avalanche controlled, patrolled, any incidents needing rescue are dealt with just like on-piste stuff
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| halfhand wrote: |
| Would "inbounds" be like the Itineraires (sp?) i.e. largely unpisted and unmarked except for a general direction pointer? |
no direction markers, not pisted at all - as I understand it, "itineraries" are either unofficial pistes or former pistes, in-bounds means simply that it;s within the ski are boundary, nothing to do with being pisted or having directions.
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nbt, itineraries are sign posted, patrolled, and avalanche cleared in every resort that I've been to. Just not pisted.
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| Kramer wrote: |
| nbt, itineraries are sign posted, patrolled, and avalanche cleared in every resort that I've been to. Just not pisted. |
My point exactly - in bounds in not necessarily any of those, except avalanche cleared
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easiski, nbt, my mistake. 
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there is another difference between itineraries and 'bowls'- which is width. With bowls usually being enormous- such as the Blackcombe Glacier rather than just piste width.
In Argentiere alot of the 'off piste' accessible from Bochard/Herse and round the corner of Pylones is like this- but is still off piste-
The naturide pistes in Tignes are itineraries (Paquarettes - which is good but really quite steep- the 'SPOT' (skiing the powder of Tignes - what would Chirac say to this Anglicisation) is not avalache controlled- which is why there is an ARVA training area at the bottom.
Any easy childcare in Baqueira Beret ??
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Kramer, I don't think you made a mistake - just that it's not that clear from the European perspective. I would therfore suggest that in LDA the "inbounds" areas would be just off to the side of the red (  ) Thuyt bowl, and the face + the little off piste area at the petite Aiguille. All other off piste areas would be outbound as they're not sufficiently visible/patolled etc.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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edsilva, That I'm not sure about, since it;s not something I have to worry about - Ski miquel are the only british tour ops to go there, so I would ask them in the first instance
http://miquelhols.co.uk
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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eeeh, that's cleared that one up then. Looks like I've opened a can of worms, sorry 
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| easiski wrote: |
The term "farming" is also new to me, but not the idea. However the only snag is that you then have to ski someone else's rhythm and not necessarily your own.
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Yes, indeed. I ski on Volant "Chubbs with very little sidecut and they naturally ski a longer turn. It is still good form on a narrow slope (and a good challenge) to ski tight to the other tracks, but often I do a double length turn, fitting alternate turns, and taking a bit more slope, but not all that much.
An alternative to the technique in the picture is to figure-eight, which does use up a bit more slope, but not much, and is even more of a challenge.
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You know it makes sense.
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As to the SCGB group skiing in each other's tracks, I imagine they were just very inexperienced off-piste and did it out of fear of powder.
PS here is another set of 3 first tracks in St Anton- not quite so tight, but there wasn't the need. (Sorry, they are behind our sticks and my friend Stuart).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I do read some of SH threads to Mr sb, and this is one of them. So when we stopped between Siviez and Veysonnaz for a coffee last week, he observes..... SCGB Rep and group arrive for a coffee, as one, they pile all their kit onto two adjoining empty tables and sit down. Then, as one they all get out their mobile phones and check for messages, the rep says "I don't seem to have any messages today, can one of you call me". There then followed a period of small talk, and again as one, the whole group (5) got out and applied their sun cream. Mr sb has expressed a hope that some activities could be completed independently, though he has since admitted contemplating digging a hole in the piste just to see what would happen when they skied off. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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snowbunny, checking your mobe when you're hols, in synch or not, is sad, sad, sad. However, I only remember to think about sun cream when someone else does, and it does tend to be done at the end of a break, so perhaps they can be forgiven for that. Also, don't forget, these people are joiners-in, otherwise they wouldn't be skiing with a load of people they've never met. Perhaps they are like other social animals, such as ants, who react to stimuli invisible to the rest of us to perform tasks as one. It's not my cup of tea, but some people are obviously better adapted to sociable group living than I am.
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richmond,
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snowbunny, checking your mobe when you're hols, in synch or not, is sad, sad, sad.
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Then, I am a lost cause, as one day last week, whilst heading for the Plan-du-Fou cable car, I stopped to check the reason for one of my boobs vibrating  ...only the phone  ..And it was another
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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