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Airbag/Jetforce

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Hi folks,

Thoroughly enjoyed the EOSB and due to not being with my usual buddies, I spent most of the time off piste and likely to be doing more with Snowhead’s next year.

Time for a modern airbag. I tour in Scotland and mainly lift served off piste in Europe. I am looking for advice on the best bag to get 20-30l and at the best price.

What have you all got and pros and cons of each? Happy to purchase now for next year.

Thanks for your help!!

Alan
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I have been looking into this recently too. This is what I know:

– I currently have an ABS Powder 15. It is relatively old now and pretty heavy and bulky, despite being only 15L. I am looking to replace, ideally by next season if I can afford to. Last time I replaced the cartridge and got the bag tested, it cost me €50.
– I tried on @spyderjon's Scott airbag which is a battery type. It was too big for my back, but regardless I found it to be even heavier than mine so I'm not interested in this type until the weight comes down.
– I also tried on the two Mammut bags owned by @SnowPenguin (Ultralight), and @Gämsbock (Flip 22L, I think). Both were a better fit and quite lightweight. The Ultralight is quite thin, though, and only accessible through the back not the top. The shape and addition of compression straps make them much less bulky than my ABS bag. Apparently Mammut will replace cartridges for free, which is a bonus.

You should try it for size, although if you are an average height male, you shouldn't have too many issues there. Weight may also not matter too much, depending on your size.
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@Scarlet, mine's the Scott E1 supercapacitor powered pack, not battery powered like the Jetforce. And a 30 litre pack will be heavier than a 15 litre.
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@snowscot, take a look at https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/snow-sports/best-avalanche-airbag ... Good info also on wildsnow.com

I have not found a backpack design that works for me for touring, with good ski carry, rope and helmet carry, ice pick ... Seems to me that most of the airbag pack design is for lift served terrain.
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@spyderjon, sorry, I didn’t appreciate the difference. It’s still heavier by more than the weight of the extra fabric, although overall it is quite a lot larger. It’s not so heavy that someone bigger than me would care, though, as the main reason I didn’t like it was because it’s too long in the back.
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I've got a black diamond jetforce. It is heave. However, the back harness is so high quality and comfortable then I notice it only a little. On a lift it is slightly bulky but acceptable. I do find the mechanism slightly dodgy. It has a tendancy to open the zip if fully packed. I rarely have it this packed.

If I paid full price is be dissapointed but at 1/2 price it is great. It is a price/performance thing
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How's it going snowscot?

Good to hear you enjoyed the EOSB. I bought a bag a while ago but just starting to use it recently.

Priority for me was something simple that I could self full (electric wasn't on the market then) and the rucksack can be swapped. I ended up with a v cheap bca float 32 but this was ridiculously big for on the lift but I picked up bca float 8 cheap on Amazon £55. Best of both worlds. Takes a few minutes to change airbag over. I also bought a hill hand pump (cheaper pumps are available) which I originally took this on holiday but it was to heavy so I travel out with a full cylinder and home with a empty makes life a little bit easier esp when flying home from N America.

The 8 is very comfy and at approx 2.5kg it's not that heavy but beware it is tiny after I squeeze in avi gear and bladder there is not much more room for anything else!

If I was in the market today, I would be looking at the E1 to start with. I also like the concept of the electric bag deflates after a few minutes (not sure what electric bag model).
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@Scarlet, Scott 30 litre E1 pack is 2670g. ABS Powder 15 litre with steel cylinder is 2715g or 2460g with the carbon cylinder. Allowing for the additional material weight of the larger Scott pack then that'd make the E1 lighter than a carbon Powder NehNeh

And BTW, I'm still deaf in my left ear Twisted Evil
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spyderjon wrote:
@Scarlet, Scott 30 litre E1 pack is 2670g. ABS Powder 15 litre with steel cylinder is 2715g or 2460g with the carbon cylinder. Allowing for the additional material weight of the larger Scott pack then that'd make the E1 lighter than a carbon Powder NehNeh

Still too heavy NehNeh

spyderjon wrote:
And BTW, I'm still deaf in my left ear Twisted Evil

That’s your own fault. I just have a better aim Little Angel
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@Scarlet, @spyderjon, Snowball fight?
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GlasgowCyclops wrote:
@Scarlet, @spyderjon, Snowball fight?

I made the mistake of taking my helmet off in the gondola and was hit on the side of the head with a snowball that had to have weighed over a kilo. I'm still traumatised by the event now. When I've heard stories of female violence towards men I usually think the guy should MTFU but now, in addition to the physical pain, I now know the stigma and the shame of being the victim.
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@spyderjon, ballocks, you started it!
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spyderjon wrote:
GlasgowCyclops wrote:
@Scarlet, @spyderjon, Snowball fight?
...in addition to the physical pain, I now know the stigma and the shame of being the victim.


You did bring that on yourself


...by whinging about it to everyone. rolling eyes
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You know it makes sense.
Scarlet wrote:
@spyderjon, ballocks, you started it!

Abuser!

adithorp wrote:
You did bring that on yourself ...by whinging about it to everyone. rolling eyes

Laughing

And don't get me started about those fekkin stairs!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
@spyderjon, I would have helped you with the ski carrying but that would have spoiled it. Toofy Grin
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