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A daughter will be going for her 2nd week of snowboarding. She would like to attend group lessons. Should I totally avoid resorts with buttons/t-bars where at all possible? Austria seems to provide 2 hours per day (but 4 hours per day for skiing) - is that normal or is Austria different?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If she's done a week already reasonable button lifts shouldn't be too big a problem - and whoever is teaching her will know to avoid the nasty ones. The most important decision is which ski school - IME quite a lot of French ski schools have lightly-converted ski instructors teaching snowboarding. The same might be true in Austria. But there are some really good instructors/schools - so I'd change your OP,if I were you, and ask which snowboarding lessons, not which resort, would be best for your daughter!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would not worry about any of that at all.
I know internet people can make a fuss, but really if you can stand up on a snowboard you can use a surface lift.
I'm not sure about tuition - I've ridden with some very good Austrian riders, but I don't know how the teaching system is.
ESF was the one with a bad reputation, not the Austrians. But perhaps someone who's taken lessons there will know.
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2hrs learning, then she can have 2hrs practicing.
Snowboarding learning is a lot more sitting waiting for your turn to be tuitioned.
Prob better money spent on 1:1 lessons if possible.
Group of 6 would be lucky to get 20-30mins tuition time in 2 hours.
Would not worry about button lifts. Snowboarder needs to know how to use them in case end up being somewhere where there is no other choice.. then can choose to avoid them afterwards 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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then can choose to avoid them afterwards
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I know internet people can make a fuss, but really if you can stand up on a snowboard you can use a surface lift.
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I agree with this, they are really not that bad. Well worth having some familiarity with them because you will most likely need to use one at some point.
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I know internet people can make a fuss, but really if you can stand up on a snowboard you can use a surface lift.
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I agree with this, they are really not that bad. Well worth having some familiarity with them because you will most likely need to use one at some point. |
I think the initial problem is the first pull where people lean into the drag, rather than lean back. Also grabbing with both hands meaning the back arm is going to pull the back of the board around... catch the edge & face plant
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Trick with pomas when learning is grab your point your trailing hand at your tail. This keeps your shoulders in line with the board which keeps you straight
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The arm behind method is great for starting on drags with a gentle initial engagement (as @johndiamond says).
There's a couple of manhood-manglers like the Culet atop the Cobeau between Morgins and Chatel, or the ski club drag on Mt Chery, which send even 80KG biffas like me airborne at launch.
For these I find it best to hold on with two hands keep everything soft and relaxed.
Use your arms to take up most of the initial yank, but consciously look up and ahead, as your board will follow roughly where you are looking.
Once your board is back on the ground, get your balance for the second big tug, and again suck it up with your arms and core.
Then let go with your back hand and ride like a normal drag-lift.
Riding shonky drags and t-bars, is also good for your balance.
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| A daughter will be going for her 2nd week of snowboarding. She would like to attend group lessons. Should I totally avoid resorts with buttons/t-bars where at all possible? Austria seems to provide 2 hours per day (but 4 hours per day for skiing) - is that normal or is Austria different? |
Having just, as in last week, got re-acquainted with this whole 'learner lesson' issue after a couple of decades, I'd go with paying maybe 50% more (than for a weeks group lesson) as a total and book individual ones ..... and that's from someone who doesn't particularly like spending money ..... lol.
Group lessons might work for some, but seem geared mostly for keeping them out of your hair for a few hours, which is reasonable enough I guess, although they're often smaller groups (than skiing) so more personal help is often there. At least they'll probably make some mates to play with in the afternoon, perpetuating the above ......
As regards riding drags, I'm not sure it's as methodical as some have pointed out ..... flexibility and simple innate balance are the key, as is understanding how a 'one footed' snowboard acts like a castor, avoiding edges etc
I'm not particularly bothered by 'em, but do know some fairly seasoned boarders, who can come down pretty much anything, avoid them like the plague ......
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