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We just returned from Les coches which we didn't really ski in anyway, it was much better to ski in Tignes, lesson learnt. However, on one of the days we did ski in Les Coches it had snowed the morning before reasonable heavily but when we went to ski on it it was very icy. What caused this when it had only snowed 24 hours before? It was a very cold morning. Thanks
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Slightly puzzled by this post. I was in Paradiski last week and the snow conditions were excellent.
Having been in Espace Killy a fortnight before I can't believe the conditions could have been much different
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@alexb123a,
When were you there and was it purely Les Coches?
Les Coches is quite low and if it had been skied in got a little warm and them frozen overnight it could maybe have been firm.
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@alexb123a, also, did it definitely snow heavily at Les Coches or might it only have been heavy snow further up the mountain?

Two other possible scenarios:

If it actually happened to rain in Les Coches (with snow higher up), rain followed by a freeze can cause very hard / icy snow.

Or if the snowfall was in fact not that heavy, it mightn't have properly covered up the old base. And a piste with older or artificial snow on (especially likely low down at Les Coches) can also be very hard on a cold morning.

What I'm more intrigued by is whether you drove all the way around to Tignes from Les Coches most days... or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
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It could be those as I wasn't in the area all the day before so I can't tell what the exact conditions were. Yes we drove to Tignes on 3 days and to Chamonix which was a nightmare due to a landslide, so it took hours Sad
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Were the conditions really that bad in the Paradiski area? What was so bad about it?

La Plagne and Les Arcs both have quite a lot of high slopes (and even the higher villages are the same height as Tignes anyway), so it's difficult to understand why Tignes and Chamonix (yes, a really long drive - you must have been desperate!) would be significantly better.
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denfinella wrote:
@alexb123a, also, did it definitely snow heavily at Les Coches or might it only have been heavy snow further up the mountain?

Two other possible scenarios:

If it actually happened to rain in Les Coches (with snow higher up), rain followed by a freeze can cause very hard / icy snow.

Or if the snowfall was in fact not that heavy, it mightn't have properly covered up the old base. And a piste with older or artificial snow on (especially likely low down at Les Coches) can also be very hard on a cold morning.

What I'm more intrigued by is whether you drove all the way around to Tignes from Les Coches most days... or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

This.
Too bad, because you were right in the middle of La Plagne and Les Arcs and could easily reach both summits in both domains by a few lifts plus skiing, instead of driving.
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What time of day were you skiing the icy slope? If it was later in the day after everyone had skied the fresh snow, the chances are it been scraped back to the base which would have been hard and icy. Everywhere has spots like that. I hate to say it, but you had no need to go else where, just head up a bit higher and/or to slopes that don’t get as busy.
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@alexb123a,
which week were you there?
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alexb123a wrote:
We just returned from Les coches which we didn't really ski in anyway, it was much better to ski in Tignes, lesson learnt. However, on one of the days we did ski in Les Coches it had snowed the morning before reasonable heavily but when we went to ski on it it was very icy. What caused this when it had only snowed 24 hours before? It was a very cold morning. Thanks

You've learnt a rather odd (incorrect) lesson there I think. Les Coches is a relatively low village, which is an entry point to the high altitude skiing in both La Plagne and Les Arcs. What were the conditions like once you got up to higher altitudes, for e.g. on Roche de Mio? They are very unlikely to have been different to Tignes.
Did you have a week's lift pass for La Plagne? If so, did you not have to spend extra money on the other lifts passes.
Driving to Chamonix from La Plagne is a very odd decision Confused Why did you choose Chamonix?
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Baffling pattern for skiing. As for the snow. Snow isn't all the same. I'd bet based on nothing other than experience that the "fresh" snow
was groomed into the existing heavily manmade base and froze hard overnight. Happens all the time. Best way of avoiding it in winter is to go places that don't need much snowmaking and stick to N facing slopes. In spring all bets are off.
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alexb123a wrote:
It could be those as I wasn't in the area all the day before so I can't tell what the exact conditions were. Yes we drove to Tignes on 3 days and to Chamonix which was a nightmare due to a landslide, so it took hours Sad


As others have pointed out, this is a rather odd way to spend a ski holiday - staying in Les Coches and spending many hours driving back and forth to Chamonix and Tignes when you've got the summits of Les Arcs and La Plagne right on your doorstep. Even more strange if you skied around Les Coches and didn't venture up into the rest La Plagne area.
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I would be interested in @alexb123a's explanation.

Les Coches is at 1450m, with quick access to wonderful slopes of either Les Arcs or La Plagne, much of it above 2000m, much like Tignes.
i was in both Tignes (Jan 27 - Feb 2) and La Plagne (Jan 17 - 25 and Feb 3 - 6). Conditions were much the same, tho I thought La Plagne slightly better early February.

I wonder if anyone has ever stayed at Tignes Brevieres (1550m) and driven each day over to La Plagne (Plagne Centre 1970m).
Seems bonkers to me.
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I would be interested in @alexb123a's explanation.


Given the incredulous response the OP might hesitate to try to explain....
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You need to read the guy or gals posing history. Either they are a troll or completely whacko or suffering from the brain injury they said they had/have.

Either way I wouldn't waste your time.

Disclaimer: I've stayed in and skied out of Les Coches many times.
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Layne wrote:
You need to read the guy or gals posing history. Either they are a troll or completely whacko or suffering from the brain injury they said they had/have.

Either way I wouldn't waste your time.


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You know what’s an underrated part of a ski holiday? The transfer.

I can only assume that the OP wanted to experience other resorts...although that makes me wonder why they didn’t bother skiing more of La Plagne first.

Watching this one with interest, could be future Snowheads gold.

How heavy was the snow and for how long? It actually has to snow a considerable amount to make a real difference. Also with the warm temps it’s possible that it warmed up during the day and refrozen over night, which can make it scrapey. And there are a number of runs down to Les Coches that can be rock hard at the best of times, especially first thing. There’s one pitch on piste Mont Blanc (under the chair lift) that’s nearly always a sh^tshow.
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Most interesting this one. I can not get my head round the fact that you would base yourself in Les Coches right on the doorstep of a ski area the size of Paradiski and then not really ski any of it. Day trip to Tignes I could almost understand but to drive to Chamonix is quite an undertaking. With the Trois Vallees not exactly a million miles away that would have been a reasonable choice if @alexb123a really did not enjoy the conditions in Les Coches.

Hopefully we will find out the reason for the resort selection and hence for so much use of the car during the week.
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Bonkers bonkers conkers ! I was all over Paradiski last week and it was fantastic, apart from being a busy for my taste (normally January I go there but things dictated otherwise this year). The off piste in particular was excellent due to the fresh fall Sunday night, but pistes were very skiable too, eveb most way down to Les Coches. I can see no reason why Espace Killy would be better. I ski both most seasons and it's all good.

Only thing I can think is decision was based on very early morning runs.
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frejul wrote:
alexb123a wrote:
It could be those as I wasn't in the area all the day before so I can't tell what the exact conditions were. Yes we drove to Tignes on 3 days and to Chamonix which was a nightmare due to a landslide, so it took hours Sad


As others have pointed out, this is a rather odd way to spend a ski holiday - staying in Les Coches and spending many hours driving back and forth to Chamonix and Tignes when you've got the summits of Les Arcs and La Plagne right on your doorstep. Even more strange if you skied around Les Coches and didn't venture up into the rest La Plagne area.


I agree! First thing I thought was Puzzled Puzzled Puzzled
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Disappointed this thread has dried up - I thought it was starting to show real promise.
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It has the distinctive wiff of a stanton proxy account about it.

Initial headline, cadence of initial posting to stoke the contention, then sit back for a while to let others profer opinion.

Social agitant.
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Concept of skiing Chamonix from Les Coches makes it extremely likely to be trolling.

Who’d drive an unnecessary 2h30 each way?

Troll.
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