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Selling a lift pass

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Following on from the sharing a lift pass thread, what's the thoughts on selling a unused week pass? The pass has never been through the turnstile.
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Also illegal in law
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 Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Generally not allowed if it was bought for a specific individual and will be used by a different one.
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That's a week unused Val thorens lift pass in the bin.


Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Tue 12-02-19 23:54; edited 1 time in total
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No insurance will cover it?
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It's the eosb val thoren pass, I already have a weeks 3v pass with my epic pass.
It would have been nice to offer it to some snowheads in the area for a few beer tokens.
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If bought online from SETAM you should be able to just get a refund. (Provided you do it prior to the day of first validity).
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@WASHOUT, chill out in the knowledge that you didn’t pay anywhere near the normal rate for it, and it’s included in the deal anyway so you haven’t really lost anything. Alternatively, have a word with @admin in case there’s anything he can do.
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If it was sold unnamed, and has never been used, it can be used by anyone in the same category, so could be sold on.
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@stanton, Illegal in Law.

Maybe, but each and every country has different laws.

It is one of those statements that sounds good, but is probably not true. It maybe against the T&Cs of the lift company, it maybe something that can be against what in the UK would be termed Civil Law, or it might be Criminal Law.
To be Criminal it would normally need to fall within Theft or Fraud and it is quite unlikely that any law authority could be bothered to take that through the courts.

I would suggest that @RobinS is correct in any case.
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Though it surprising what some countries will pursue

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-47205748

Might not be beyond belief that the gendarmes could haul you off your charter flight on your way home!
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@dadmin will probably sort you out with a bit of cashback if he has to buy fewer lift passes. EOSB lift passes are actually unamed group ones at issue at least.
If not I'll have it off you for a modest fee to cover the extra 2 days I'll need.
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@RobinS's position is entirely logical, If the pass works -- and doesn't have your name on it -- I'm guessing there is about a 99.5 percent chance that using it would be fine. However, I would be more than a little leery of using a named pass, though the odds will only drop to about 98 percent that nothing will happen...
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Given that it is a pass for the EOSB, offering it to someone else is only the same as a TO getting passes for its customers in advance
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albob wrote:
Given that it is a pass for the EOSB, offering it to someone else is only the same as a TO getting passes for its customers in advance


I'm usually part of the "passes cannot be resold" party, but in this instance this would be my thought as well, especially if the OP didn't take physical delivery of it but asked @admin to give it to person x as opposed to the OP.
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They didn't take my name when I bought a week pass in the 3 Valleys a few weeks ago, can't see why it would be a problem to sell on an unused pass. This forum seems to be frequented by many pernickety law types!
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End of last season bash?
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mrvinegar wrote:
They didn't take my name when I bought a week pass in the 3 Valleys a few weeks ago, can't see why it would be a problem to sell on an unused pass. This forum seems to be frequented by many pernickety law types!


I suspect it's because most of us who are in the "can't be resold" camp and therefore "pernickety law types" benefit from season passes and it's these that people try to sell on because their season has been cut short.

The reason is that the fines are quite severe for the buyer and the seller if a season pass is resold/transfer and with how difficult it can be to get a reasonably priced one (proof of property ownership in some resorts now) if it's a common practice the Lift Cos will make it even harder!

There's a difference for weekly tourists like yourself, as often there's no ID required or on the tickets although it's thoughts some lift Cos are now introducing a system whereby the lift station takes an image of the user the 1st time a pass is used and then checeks the image against its' database every time it's used so it seems they're trying to shut this loophole too, don't forget that Lifties are actually incentivised to catch pass dodgers much like ticket collectors are on the London Underground!
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End of last season bash?
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mrvinegar wrote:


I suspect it's because most of us who are in the "can't be resold" camp and therefore "pernickety law types" benefit from season passes and it's these that people try to sell on because their season has been cut short.



Yeah but we are talking about a weekly pass here, not a season one, so why the drama?
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@mrvinegar, I suspect some of the motivation is that if it's against the operator's Ts&Cs - any I've read have a non-transferability clause - you are likely to have an unpleasant experience if found out - to the extent of being barred from using their facilities - which would ruin a weeks holiday with mates if it happened on day one, right?

On the finding out, most places I've been to require a photo on the pass (taken on purchase) which then pings up on a screen as the pass is flashed.
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But weekly passes has no photo. None of the resorts I’ve been to had.

While I agree the OP’s solution would be better achieved by a chat with @admin. The situation is no different from getting lift pass from a TO rep on the transfer bus. You think the TO will let an uncollected weekly pass goes to waste when there’s a change (or mix up) in the name of a guest? Or he’ll simply hand the new guest the same pass?
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Non-transferability is all very well, but the reductio ad absurdum of that is that if I go to the lift office and buy two tickets I then cannot transfer one of them to the person with whom I am skiing.
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Absolutely never going to be an issue selling a unused 1 week pass that has no ID on it. Surprised at those saying there will be. T&Cs and all that malarkey, never going to be an issue. Season passes are a different story as is sharing lift passes.
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under a new name wrote:
@mrvinegar, I suspect some of the motivation is that if it's against the operator's Ts&Cs - any I've read have a non-transferability clause - you are likely to have an unpleasant experience if found out - to the extent of being barred from using their facilities - which would ruin a weeks holiday with mates if it happened on day one, right?

On the finding out, most places I've been to require a photo on the pass (taken on purchase) which then pings up on a screen as the pass is flashed.


But there is no name or photo!
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@mrvinegar, good point.
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Back to the OP, who are you going to sell it to?

Everyone coming for the EOSB would have already bought their week's pass from @admin...
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abc wrote:
Back to the OP, who are you going to sell it to?

Somebody might choose to be in VT the same week but not on the EOSB deal.

I did that for the Family Bash week last winter.
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mrvinegar wrote:
marcellus wrote:


I suspect it's because most of us who are in the "can't be resold" camp and therefore "pernickety law types" benefit from season passes and it's these that people try to sell on because their season has been cut short.



Yeah but we are talking about a weekly pass here, not a season one, so why the drama?


Pray tell, where in the OPs post did it say anything about weekly passes?

The vast majority of this sort of post are for season passes.

It was only in a follow up post did the OP clarify that it was a weekly pass and since he did I can't see anyone saying it would be a problem or that he shouldn't or am i missing something?
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WASHOUT wrote:
Following on from the sharing a lift pass thread, what's the thoughts on selling a unused week pass? The pass has never been through the turnstile.
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Much appreciated for replys. If selling I was more thinking of the 5 other snowheads who will be in the neighbourhood on eosb week but will keep you in mind Dave. But I may use the pass to justify another holiday, some good deals been coming in to.my emails recently!
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marcellus wrote:


Pray tell, where in the OPs post did it say anything about weekly passes?


Er, when he said "unused week pass?"
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Similar to the other, "shared pass" thread, at least 50% of the responses either did not read the initial post as written (they "read" what they THOUGHT was written), or did not read the subsequent clarification.
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mrvinegar wrote:
marcellus wrote:


Pray tell, where in the OPs post did it say anything about weekly passes?


Er, when he said "unused week pass?"


Apologies missed that bit Embarassed but even so I think the majority of replies were that it should be ok in this instance.
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. But I may use the pass to justify another holiday, some good deals been coming in to.my emails recently!



Now you know that's the real answer..
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@WASHOUT, most of those 'in the neighbourhood' will probably have season passes or days they are using from other resorts. If you contact @admin he may be able to sort out something for you. People have been known to go on the EoSB and not ski.
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Bang it on eBay.
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Bang it on eBay.

And sell it 5 times. Toofy Grin
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