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Over edging?

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Why does my downhill ski clatter around when I'm skiing on a steep icy piste? Am i over edging it?
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@marodo2712, It's just down to the characteristics of the ski you have compared to the conditions. When you say "over edging it", what do you mean?
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Pressure, stiffness of ski, technique.

I once bounced my downhill ski off after rather aggressively putting in a turn on a steep piste. Earlier edge change helps. Smooth helps.
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@marodo2712, what do you mean? Is the shovel of the ski moving laterally to and fro or is the shovel of the ski flapping up and down on the snow?
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Ski too stiff to flex around the turn??
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You could try:

- Being subtle with the way you apply edge and pressure.

- Concentrating on not tensing up and keeping legs "soft" and relaxed.
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On clinics with Snoworks and others of repute, we were advised to ski over ice / icy patches pistes with feel, to relax, using gentle movements and the ubiquitous balance. In my experience that puts you in control and takes away clatter etc.
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marodo2712 wrote:
Why does my downhill ski clatter around when I'm skiing on a steep icy piste? Am i over edging it?
Too much pressure, so the ski grips then breaks through the grip and releases, then grips, then releases, etc, leading to that characteristic 'chatter'. You could add more edge to gain a bit more grip so the ski doesn't;t break away, soften your legs a little rather than bracing against the ski to absorb a little pressure, or open up your turn radius to reduce pressure.
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Try bringing downhill knee into body instead of applying pressure by pushing on downhilll ski.

Nothing wrong with some smooth side slip on a very steep hard slope.
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@Ozboy, that’s top advice and the one to take from this thread.
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By 'over edging' i mean the angle between the hill and the base of the ski being too high (80° for example) causing it to bite too much, and maybe reducing it to 70° might make it smoother (i didn't get my protracter out).

I noticed it on my left leg (flat footed) that causes more pressure on the inside edge of that ski, i consciously opened up my left leg a little bit which caused the clattering/jumpping/stuttering to greatly reduce, so i pressumed it must be down to the angle being too great.

Anyway, rhanks for all the advice,which i will try out today (day 6 Sad )
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What sort of skis are you on? Presume the pistes are hard?

My experience is that this sort of chatter comes when you are trying to make pure carved turns on hard snow but don't get up on to the new edge smoothly and powerfully enough - you try to set the edge without getting the powerful hip angulation that can make it bite. It is much more of a problem with wider skis than pure pistes skis because it is harder to smoothly roll onto the edge when that edge is displaced further from your boot centre - have to fully commit AND be delicate about it. This is a technical AND psychological challenge when you know you will be on your backside if you don't get it right.
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@jedster, brand new rosignol 156. I'm really not happy on ice and tend to side-slip to a hocky stop then point down the hill to do it the other way - it's not pretty and probably doesn't qualify as actual skiing!

I just wondered if it had something to do with a flat left foot, as it only happens when i traverse to the right.

Last two hours on the snow then back to reality....
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@marodo2712,

Ah OK your at an earlier stage in your skiing.
Your problem is that you are edging without applying enough pressure to the edge. You simply won't be able to hold an edge on hard snow until you can develop your skiing more on easier terrain/conditions - separating upper body and low body to balance over that edge. Until you can do that then you need to be controlling your pivoting and sliding on hard snow rather than attempting to hold the edge.
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@jedster, thanks.
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One way to ski an icy piste....though depends on how icy and how steep....Is to assess the slope before you start and see where the areas of loose snow are placed (that have been been sprayed out sideways, by other people skidding and trying to get control). These are the places where you can get enough purchase to check and remove speed.

Between these areas, just don't fight it, twist your feet to turn, without trying to slow down......then when you reach another of these softer piles, check again and remove the speed.

(It's too late for you now, anyway....but maybe something to try on your next Hol.)
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Just relax and BE at one with the ski!

#ZenSkiing Cool
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AL9000 wrote:
Just relax and BE at one with the ski!

#ZenSkiing Cool

I tried that, but got it slightly wrong......I ended up BEing on one ski, with the other stuck 100 yds above me. Sad
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@Old Fartbag, OK..fair point...BE at one with the skis! Madeye-Smiley
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[/quote][quote]@marodo2712, as above, it's not the angle it's the relaxation and the fine twitch muscle responses that keep an edge engaged on ice. Sadly it's not it but you that's in need of some training and exercise . . . .

Don't get me wrong, we ALL balls it up more frequently than we'd admit to wink There are probably a number of issues you need to address but the first is, you need to learn how to REALLY relax and absorb your ski's movement. It's lesson time Cool

Eden it fer sodding predictive txt.
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When was the skis last tune? How sharp are the edges?
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Edges are not needed in POW..

Edges are for carpet skiers..
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