Poster: A snowHead
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Hi,
I'm planning on doing some off-piste skiing for the first time this year, for which I plan to hire a guide and get some instruction on technique, etc., etc....
Meanwhile, I've been doing a bit of research on the saftey equipment side of things, and have come across rucksacks which include an 'avanche airbag system'. They're pretty pricey, but I understand one can hire, rather than buy.
Does anyone know much about this bit of technology? I've found manufacturers websites, full of the normal marketting blurb - but no reviews or independent info on whether they actually work/are worth considering
Cheers.....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Piste security people in several resorts now have them as a mandatory part of their uniform. Many off piste teachers and guides also wear them. Such people would not use them unless they had confidence in them.
For your first week off piste you should be thinking more about avalanche transceivers. The Ski Club has lots of good information about equipment and safety. As you are asking about equipment I suggest starting with this page, it discusses transceiver, shovel and probe. They should be considered the primary safety gear. A good off piste teacher or guide will insist that you have a transceiver and will probably lend you one at no extra cost when under their instruction. If the guide/teacher does not then think seriously about getting someone else! Make sure you get some instruction and some practice at searching with the transceiver.
For more information on safety and equipment also look at Pistehors and Henry's Avalanche Talk.
Which resort are to going to? Probably someone here in Snowheads could give you ideas on which ski schools and guides to consider.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Adrian, Hmmmmmm, surley if you're using your transiever you're looking for someone buried? If you use your A.B.S. you've a greatly improved chance of not being buried. Food for thought. For me, why not use A.B.S. I strongly feel we all should.
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I have, and wear an ABS bag. I've never had to use it in 'anger' but everything I have read and heard over the years has convinced me that the system works and is worth wearing when off piste.
Here in Canada for liability reasons you get two handles and gas bottles, and you have to test fire one set and return the empty bottle & handle with a signed sheet confirming that you have tested your bag. Then both you and the manufacturer are certain that the inflation system works.
As SMALLZOOKEEPER observes, with an ABS bag you should stay on top of flowing snow.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Are you guys proposing having an ABS bag instead of a transceiver? Everyone else I have heard says ABS bags are good in the second line of equipment, but the transceiver, probe and shovel should be first.
If you are using your transceiver wisely you are taking great care to not be in an avalanche. The goal should be safe travel and safe skiing and reducing the groups exposure to risky areas. If risky areas are to be skied then go one by one, stopping in the safest places you can find. Not all avalanches have nicely flowing snow. If, and I hope it never happens, you are in an avalanche and the snow around you stops then you will also stop. If more snow falls from above then it will likely pile up on top regardless of the wearing of an ABS bag.
Gentlemen, please forgive me for ducking out of this discussion but I am about to turn off my computer and actually go skiing; to Val d'Isere. Back in about 10 days.
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Adrian,
I don't think that anyone is proposing an airbag instead of a transceiver, they are complimentary 'tools'.
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colinmcc, ditto.
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Which resort are to going to? Probably someone here in Snowheads could give you ideas on which ski schools and guides to consider.
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Adrian:
I'm going a little off the beaten path (forgive the pun), to Hemsedal in Norway. I've been told that the off-piste very easily accessible, and so though this might be the trip to give it a bash. It's only a small resort, so I'm not sure how much choiec they'll be of instructors/guides. If anyone has any pointers though, that would be great.
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I am in the process of investing in ABS for both of us... Davos is the avalanche epicentre and they insist all guides wear them as of this (or last) year.
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First line of defence is avoiding avalanches - maybe 300 - 400 quid on abs would be better invested in professional guiding / avalanche awarness courses. As already said transceiver, probe , shovel first - but these are no good unless you can use them - get trained. I also wonder if ABS , avalungs , digital transceivers, etc lead people into a false sense of security - look at the number of fatalities this season! I'm not syaing these devices are not good, I never ski without transceiver, probe, shovel or skis. No firsthand experience of ABS but most guides seem to use them now.
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