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Arno wrote:
My heart goes out to all the men who are oppressed by this terrible policy rolling eyes


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I may choose to be offended by the fact these morning sessions are only on week day morning, so of course after the school run and while hubby is away at work... rolling eyes

But I won't because it's obviously successful, useful and generally there are a million more important things to be offended by. Oh, and apparently men are allowed to have lessons at the same time, shock horror.

Otherwise, I'm just going to agree with tangowaggon, context etc.
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@boisdevie, No. I don't find you very serious either.

If was large majority of women women skiing I'd agree. As it is men outnumber women and I for one support getting women involved in any way possible. Including positive discrimination.

I'm a man. A real one.
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Oleski wrote:
PaulC1984 wrote:
@under a new name, if there was an all female crew, who would reverse the plane off the apron?

###RUNS###


But there is always a bloke outside guiding them


Remind me when they actually listen..... Especially with directions Toofy Grin
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@PaulC1984, Next time you ski with a woman (no-one in mind...) and she gets you lost miles away, and then gets herself lost miles away from you, consider whether it was an accident Toofy Grin Twisted Evil
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@Scarlet, I'm forever telling her to get lost, but she always seems to find me while I sleep...... with a pillow..... and a pair of scissors and knitting needles......

I just assume she's up making me a jumper for crimbo!
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Read the link which @rob@rar added at 1805 @boisdevie. Explains it all perfectly. Discrimination is only unlawful if it makes unjustified distinctions. It isn't discrimination, for example, that only people with certain kinds of diabetes are prescribed insulin at the taxpayer's expense.
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PaulC1984 wrote:
@under a new name, if there was an all female crew, who would reverse the plane off the apron?

###RUNS###


We had a female captain on our Easyjet flight on Wednesday evening and mid-flight I made a remark about her not being able to park the plane to my wife.
The captain had the final laugh on me though as instead of parking at Gatwick, she parked up at Cardiff Evil or Very Mad rolling eyes Evil or Very Mad
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@Ray Zorro, Laughing

Although sympathies for the disruption.
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Ray Zorro wrote:
PaulC1984 wrote:
@under a new name, if there was an all female crew, who would reverse the plane off the apron?

###RUNS###


We had a female captain on our Easyjet flight on Wednesday evening and mid-flight I made a remark about her not being able to park the plane to my wife.
The captain had the final laugh on me though as instead of parking at Gatwick, she parked up at Cardiff Evil or Very Mad rolling eyes Evil or Very Mad


See point proven, always getting their left and right mixed up Confused
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I can't bear women only things. We aren't special. We don't need to be treated differently. Just call something a thing that is inclusive
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I've never felt any great need for women only things either, @holidayloverxx. But not everyone is as quite as effortlessly confident and capable as us. wink
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I'm one who isn't maybe as confident and I work in a male dominated world. I've found some work related women's groups really valuable. It mitigates the inevitable willy waving you get at my level in the industry.

I suspect that the ski morning is more a cleverly marketed way to get numbers up though, week day mornings, who is most likely to be looking for activity and social.
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Sexism in skiing has been around for decades.

Green runs, button lifts and short skis were all made for girls.
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effortlessly confident and capable as us. 

Is that the polite way of saying pig stubborn and bolshy Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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Whitegold wrote:
Sexism in skiing has been around for decades.

Green runs, button lifts and short skis were all made for girls.


And I though I was brave Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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Whitegold wrote:


Green runs, button lifts and short skis were all made for girls.


Laughing I'll never ever look at a button lift in the same way again!
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I'm not keen on wimmin's gatherings either but have no objection to them in principle. Nor do I object to gentlemen's clubs, a stuffy, outdated concept but if that's what they want, fine, it doesn't harm me in any way.
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under a new name wrote:


Things go wrong in ways that are mitigated by an all male or a mixed pilot team.


What things and why?
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I've never felt any great need for women only things either, @holidayloverxx. But not everyone is as quite as effortlessly confident and capable as us. wink


Well they bloody should be. They are oppressing themselves. Wimps. And the same could be said of men or any other group.
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And this is exactly the point.

Too many people getting easily offended these days, screaming PC

It's almost like it's a battle.

I note there was a womens only music concert somewhere over the other side of the pond. Set up because men cant behave and they wanted to feel safe. Whilst I take offence at the generalisation knowing I can keep it in my pants most of the time I totally understand why women want to feel safe and just enjoy the music.

Everyone got all PC over it, womens only, what an outrage. If they'd called it a lesbian only concert, no body would have batted an eye lid. What's the difference.

Too much generalisation, Political correctness and people getting offended for others these days.

And dont get me started on the whole vegan cat thing

That said, women still cant reverse!
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@holidayloverxx, the CRM just apparently doesn’t work as well. It was the airline head of safety presenting and he offered to back it up with the data and underlying research they’d done, as the general opinion was that they massively prefer female pilots, just not all-female flight crews.
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@ElzP,
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I've found some work related women's groups really valuable.

Ugh, I didn't. My experience was that, if you worked at a senior level, many of them expected you to fight their battles for them, while they just sat back and whinged. Maybe I was unlucky, though. Anyway, it's not like that now, the field is no longer so male-dominated.
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ElzP wrote:
I'm one who isn't maybe as confident and I work in a male dominated world. I've found some work related women's groups really valuable. It mitigates the inevitable willy waving you get at my level in my industry .



I can wave my...non existent... willy as much as the next person...but at the end of the day that's juvenile. Don't fall for it...it needs to be ignored and overcome by achievement not mitigating. Mitigating is giving in to it and seeing it as normal.


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@boisdevie, while you’re busy making a one man stand against sexism, can you please have a word with Pink Casino. I too want to play my favourite online slot games in a single gender environment.
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under a new name wrote:
@holidayloverxx, the CRM just apparently doesn’t work as well. It was the airline head of safety presenting and he offered to back it up with the data and underlying research they’d done, as the general opinion was that they massively prefer female pilots, just not all-female flight crews.

CRM? In my world that means customer relationship management...don't think that's the CRM you mean. Whatever it is how is it meant to work and why doesn't it work as well? Genuine question.
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@hammerite, and what about sheilas wheels insurance? I want to be represented by a company advertising with a pink caddy
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Hurtle wrote:
@ElzP,
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I've found some work related women's groups really valuable.

Ugh, I didn't. My experience was that, if you worked at a senior level, many of them expected you to fight their battles for them, while they just sat back and whinged. Maybe I was unlucky, though. Anyway, it's not like that now, the field is no longer so male-dominated.


My end of it is still pretty male dominated, agree it's changing and becoming less so though. Used to get heckled a lot on site, now more likely to be meeting a female site manager. Smile

I think I never expected women's groups to actually do anything, but it was just nice to be in a room with other high achieving women, and share experience. Learn how to mentor others, etc. Think it's all horses for courses though - I've never felt that learning skiing with blokes has been a problem!
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@PaulC1984, good point. I like the catchy jingle too. Why should adverts aimed at women have a monopoly on catchy jingles?

Maybe Mum’s gone to Iceland?
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@hammerite, good, about time she got the shopping done wink
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Free Flo (a fave with psbers in Tignes) has been doing women's only courses for years. I'm not going to argue!
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@chocksaway, why, so they stay away from you?!
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The key to living a happy, stress free life is to NOT discriminate. Just hate everyone equally.
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There’ll be women only toilets next Very Happy
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I think wimmins' skis are sexist. Why shouldn't a bloke have pink floral graphics and white fluffy boots?


I do.
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They do kids lessons too, the ageist bastards !!
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@under a new name which airline group is that? I’d not heard that before.
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holidayloverxx wrote:
under a new name wrote:
@holidayloverxx, the CRM just apparently doesn’t work as well. It was the airline head of safety presenting and he offered to back it up with the data and underlying research they’d done, as the general opinion was that they massively prefer female pilots, just not all-female flight crews.

CRM? In my world that means customer relationship management...don't think that's the CRM you mean. Whatever it is how is it meant to work and why doesn't it work as well? Genuine question.


In aviation, CRM is crew resource management, a risk mitigation/minimisation approach. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management
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@holidayloverxx, and I am sorry, but it was a talk about 8 years ago and I can't recall the distinct arguments. but they were pretty solid. and interesting. The core point was actually more about choosing the right individuals for certain positions, and that there was a certain gender mapping on to that, rather than the other way around.

Fascinating.
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@holidayloverxx, the CRM just apparently doesn’t work as well. It was the airline head of safety presenting and he offered to back it up with the data and underlying research they’d done, as the general opinion was that they massively prefer female pilots, just not all-female flight crews.


Actually, I definitely need to learn more about this. As a female airline pilot who flies quite often with other female airline pilots I’ve never heard of this and have no idea who you might be talking about. I know about most things that go on in the industry that affect women, because I talk with other female pilots about it, while we are knitting and occasionally trying to park our plane.

For anyone wondering, CRM is crew resource management, sometimes called cockpit resource management. It applies to training and communication methods in safety critical working environments.
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